[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for upower
Rich Freeman posted on Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:41:23 -0400 as excerpted: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it *is* a simple matter of running one easy command. Portage does that for you with trivial ease. But portage doesn't tell you *which* is the one easy command. A news item does that. That is the real challenge here. It isn't obvious to most users that upower is causing the problem, and it is even less obvious to users without using Google that there is an alternative. Anybody who doesn't read the lists or GMN wouldn't probably wouldn't realize that the simple fix exists. This. It's only simple for me because I saw it right here ahead of time, and it's only simple for ssuominen because he knows about the other choice since he created the package. Otherwise, it's an exercise in reading the ebuilds, and a good gentooer should be /able/ to do that, but shouldn't /have/ to do that in the normal case. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for upower
On 04/06/14 19:21, Duncan wrote: Rich Freeman posted on Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:41:23 -0400 as excerpted: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it *is* a simple matter of running one easy command. Portage does that for you with trivial ease. But portage doesn't tell you *which* is the one easy command. A news item does that. That is the real challenge here. It isn't obvious to most users that upower is causing the problem, and it is even less obvious to users without using Google that there is an alternative. Anybody who doesn't read the lists or GMN wouldn't probably wouldn't realize that the simple fix exists. This. It's only simple for me because I saw it right here ahead of time, and it's only simple for ssuominen because he knows about the other choice since he created the package. Wrong. I'm always using the -t (--tree) flag with Portage and I would have seen upower being the culprit immediately, and second command would have been `eix upower` to see available versions, at which point I would have seen upower-pm-utils, and figured it out. Just like with any other B blocker that comes up with normal upgrade process. I've never since 2006 needed to ask anyone anything regarding blockers, and it has always been trivial to find out these things. Long before anything called news items even existed. - Samuli
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for upower
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Wrong. I'm always using the -t (--tree) flag with Portage and I would have seen upower being the culprit immediately, and second command would have been `eix upower` to see available versions, at which point I would have seen upower-pm-utils, and figured it out. - Samuli I'm glad this fire has mostly been put out, but I think you are making quite a leap here that normal users can see upower-pm-utils, and figure it out. You may be too close to this problem to understand just how confusing it is to everyone else. No offense intended. -Ben
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for upower
Ben Kohler wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org mailto:ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Wrong. I'm always using the -t (--tree) flag with Portage and I would have seen upower being the culprit immediately, and second command would have been `eix upower` to see available versions, at which point I would have seen upower-pm-utils, and figured it out. - Samuli I'm glad this fire has mostly been put out, but I think you are making quite a leap here that normal users can see upower-pm-utils, and figure it out. You may be too close to this problem to understand just how confusing it is to everyone else. No offense intended. -Ben As a user, I have ran into blockers quite a few times. I either end up asking on -user or using the trial and error approach. A lot of the time, the trial and error approach fails and I still end up posting on -user or find where someone else beat me to it. It's rare with the output that portage gives that I can figure out why something is blocking. Generally this is just a issue of a different version of the same package being needed. Given that in this case it is a entirely different package that is needed to resolve it, I certainly would have been posting on -user. Unless portage spelled it out that I needed to use a different package all together, it would have never occurred to me. I might add, I been using Gentoo since 2003. I'm not a dev for sure and don't do scripting stuff so diggin in the ebuilds doesn't generally help me much either. Just a users point of view. Dale :-) :-)
