Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
How about uncommenting a line that does so. All you are buying into is a default setup. App authors don't ship configs like that though. Does apt ship a sudo config? Does anything? Perhaps you missed my opening message on this topic, except it was in your first reply.

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-16 Thread Kevin Chadwick
I never meant it is rubbish as such but I saw it as rediculously inferior to sudo before I even read this. http://drfav.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/the-quest-towards-trusted-client-applications-a-rambling/ Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but that is talking about a specific set of

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I never meant it is rubbish as such but I saw it as rediculously inferior to sudo before I even read this. http://drfav.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/the-quest-towards-trusted-client-applications-a-rambling/

Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 14/01/13 20:35, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Debian having to patch KDE to use /etc for configs is simply wrong too. huh huh, do you know if they have a fix for http://bugs.gentoo.org/438790 to stop KDE from destroying upstream polkit files?

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Debian having to patch KDE to use /etc for configs is simply wrong too. huh huh, do you know if they have a fix for http://bugs.gentoo.org/438790 to stop KDE from destroying upstream polkit files? I don't, I just know that on Debian the configs are in /etc and the bug you mention,

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I still ascert that apps adding groups with NOPASSWD sudoers lines perhaps even commented out by default in all or some cases is far better than polkit for many reasons. Any counter argument can apply to sudo too and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/01/13 09:48 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 01:25:01AM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote: William Hubbs wrote: I have a bug opened with the docs team and release engineering to discuss whether we want the new names for new

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I still ascert that apps adding groups with NOPASSWD sudoers lines perhaps even commented out by default in all or some cases is far better than

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Unless sudo has some config setting that allows access only when logged in via console it isn't really a solution. Rich man sudoers - /requiretty I manage 'thousands' of desktops at Google and we generally like polkit. I never meant it is rubbish as such but I saw it as

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: You could try to argue that many eyes will look at a central piece of code but in fact less implementations will likely mean less eyes and just assumption that a guy who got JS through as a config language has

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:19:37 +0200 Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: This is a major problem, there are other questionable choices that raise the question whether developers are familiar with how things are done on Unix: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58787 I have to confess

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Unless sudo has some config setting that allows access only when logged in via console it isn't really a solution. Rich man sudoers - /requiretty I manage 'thousands' of desktops at Google and we generally

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Steven J. Long wrote: What I'm not in favour of is making the simple cases more difficult, to deal with the complex ones. It's completely brain-dead thinking. This is exactly what some people think or say when they learn that I use Gentoo. I appreciate Gentoo because I am able and willing to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
William is packaging upstream udev for Gentoo. You are shooting the messenger. I expect there is 0 blame meant for William. P.s. Is it William that Lennart dished some blame in the direction of. I completely disagree. It's not the job of every distro to look for all build flags to fix

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-14 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 06:04:01AM +, Steven J. Long wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 William Hubbs wrote: Steven J. Long wrote: If you're certain that every user with a current simple setup, who uses the kernel default names, and has such a firewall setup isn't going to suddenly find

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-14 Thread Peter Stuge
William Hubbs wrote: I have a bug opened with the docs team and release engineering to discuss whether we want the new names for new installs. IMO yes we do. What's that bug - or what is the good way to thumbs up/down? //Peter pgpswXbIiseJI.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-14 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 01:25:01AM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote: William Hubbs wrote: I have a bug opened with the docs team and release engineering to discuss whether we want the new names for new installs. IMO yes we do. What's that bug - or what is the good way to thumbs up/down?

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-13 Thread Steven J. Long
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 William Hubbs wrote: Steven J. Long wrote: Obviously it's good to have the functionality should you need it, but again it appears that simple cases are being made complex, just to allow for someone else's complex cases. Which is faulty logic. While many packages

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-13 Thread Steven J. Long
Kevin Chadwick wrote: but again it appears that simple cases are being made complex, just to allow for someone else's complex cases. Which is faulty logic. It's a welcome option but an important question seems to be; Why wasn't this picked up in the dev cycle?. That would require