Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On 08/16/2011 09:01 PM, Dale wrote: Allow me to start this way. If you change a page, send me a link, http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-doc-cvs/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Dale
Sven Vermeulen wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 09:22:30AM -0500, Dale wrote: Thanks for the reply. I also agree that the docs should be ready first then the change. I have a friend that may be switching from Gentoo because he can not get good docs on how to get his network working after the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Dale
Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 03:55:23PM -0500, Dale wrote: Did he file a bug for this? We have been working on them. Nope. He's a ghost Gentoo user. I don't think he is subscribed to any mailing list or the forums. He just searches for clues and docs. Ca

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 03:55:23PM -0500, Dale wrote: > > Did he file a bug for this? We have been working on them. > Nope. He's a ghost Gentoo user. I don't think he is subscribed to any > mailing list or the forums. He just searches for clues and docs. Can you please data-capture that bug and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 09:22:30AM -0500, Dale wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I also agree that the docs should be ready first > then the change. I have a friend that may be switching from Gentoo because > he can not get good docs on how to get his network working after the OpenRC > update. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Dale
Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 09:22:30AM -0500, Dale wrote: Thanks for the reply. I also agree that the docs should be ready first then the change. I have a friend that may be switching from Gentoo because he can not get good docs on how to get his network working after t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 09:22:30AM -0500, Dale wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I also agree that the docs should be ready first > then the change. I have a friend that may be switching from Gentoo > because he can not get good docs on how to get his network working after > the OpenRC update. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > But then the docs folks said the policy was only to document stable, and > that they weren't going to document openrc until it was going stable. Well, I can see their point - OpenRC was the future for probably 2 years before

[gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Tue, 16 Aug 2011 08:34:09 -0400 as excerpted: > Considering that we still haven't finished doing all of this for OpenRC > yet, I wouldn't worry about the changes hitting you anytime soon. I'd > consider a lessons-learned from OpenRC that we shouldn't stabilize > packages un

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: Considering that we still haven't finished doing all of this for OpenRC yet, I wouldn't worry about the changes hitting you anytime soon. I'd consider a lessons-learned from OpenRC that we shouldn't stabilize packages until AFTER the docs are updated. Otherwise it can tend

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Dale wrote: > How long till all this is going to be a absolute requirement?  That is my > question. Well, I don't speak for the teams that want to implement this, but my recommendation is that it not become a requirement until everything is in place to support it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-16 Thread Dale
Duncan wrote: Rich Freeman posted on Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:20:21 -0400 as excerpted: On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Dale wrote: I understand that Fedora is wanting to do this. What I don't understand is why. It seems it is udev that is wrecking this havoc. Well, the answe

[gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-11 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:20:21 -0400 as excerpted: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Dale wrote: >> I understand that Fedora is wanting to do this.  What I don't >> understand is why.  It seems it is udev that is wrecking this havoc. > > Well, the answer is a bit more nuanced.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:28:56 -0400 as excerpted: > Is there any kind of > consensus in the FOSS community beyond Gentoo that FHS has had its > day? What is the policy for other distros? >From what I see on the general blogs, yes, /current/ FHS has had its day. HOWEVER, one

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:57:14AM +, Duncan wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh posted on Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:46:00 +0100 as excerpted: > > > It's important to consider the timeline here. Separate /usr was > > accidentally broken by a sudden increase in dependencies from base > > system packages to desk

[gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:46:00 +0100 as excerpted: > It's important to consider the timeline here. Separate /usr was > accidentally broken by a sudden increase in dependencies from base > system packages to desktopy things. It was only later that certain > people decided that