Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-21 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:10:49AM +, George Prowse wrote: > Bryan Østergaard wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:46:32AM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: > > > > > >>Ciaran McCreesh ha scritto: > >> > >>>It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker > >>>archs clutteri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread George Prowse
Bryan Østergaard wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:46:32AM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: Ciaran McCreesh ha scritto: It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker archs cluttering up the tree and making maintainers' work harder. Clearly, something needs to be done

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Daniel Robbins
First, by directing this email at you, I am not in any way suggesting that others are justified in attacking you or that you are at fault in a technical sense. That being said, it's generally futile to bitterly demand that people treat you with respect. It doesn't work. So, that means that if yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:12:26 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Can you please refrain from making inflammatory accusations in your | posts? This is not a forum for airing personal grievances, and they do | not serve any purpose besides encouraging others to do the same to you | -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Daniel Robbins
Hi Ciaran, Can you please refrain from making inflammatory accusations in your posts? This is not a forum for airing personal grievances, and they do not serve any purpose besides encouraging others to do the same to you - as you have discovered. -Daniel On 2/20/07, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:29:32PM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: > Bryan Østergaard ha scritto: > >On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:00:12PM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: > >>Bryan Østergaard ha scritto: > >>>On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:46:32AM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: > >>> > Ciaran McCreesh ha s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:22:46 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:09:27 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Regardless, data was presented as "see, mips isn't behind"; > which... | isn't the case as your own data shows. > > As my own data show

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:46:32 +0100 Francesco Riosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Better protect gentoo and it's developer, especially the more active | ones from the gravitational waves of those few, very annoying | satellites. Then it will be possible to actually work to the rest. You mean the d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:09:27 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Regardless, data was presented as "see, mips isn't behind"; which... | isn't the case as your own data shows. As my own data shows, mips is not behind in absolute terms. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 03:52:07PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:21:49 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:35:32AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker > | > archs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:21:49 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:35:32AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker | > archs cluttering up the tree and making maintainers' work harder. | > Clearly, so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:21:49 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please Brian, make this a monthly. :) Kind regards, JeR -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Francesco Riosa
Bryan Østergaard ha scritto: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:00:12PM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: Bryan Østergaard ha scritto: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:46:32AM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: Ciaran McCreesh ha scritto: It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker archs clu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:00:12PM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: > Bryan Østergaard ha scritto: > >On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:46:32AM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: > > > >>Ciaran McCreesh ha scritto: > >>>It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker > >>>archs cluttering up th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Francesco Riosa
Bryan Østergaard ha scritto: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:46:32AM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: Ciaran McCreesh ha scritto: It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker archs cluttering up the tree and making maintainers' work harder. Clearly, something needs to be done abo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:46:32AM +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: > > Ciaran McCreesh ha scritto: > >It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker > >archs cluttering up the tree and making maintainers' work harder. > >Clearly, something needs to be done about this. > > It's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Francesco Riosa
As other have pointed out these statistics are not rappresentative of how mips is stopping developers to do work on their packages. Also as stated in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163795 Stephen Becker alias "geoman" has promised us all to retire soon, so the situation can only become w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 19-02-2007 20:21:49 -0800, Brian Harring wrote: > Granted, ppc-macos has more, but mips has 7x the number of packages... > plus ppc-macos is effectively a dead arch, they've gone on to prefix > land for the most part. I just want to apologise to everyone that somehow gets messed up because of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-19 Thread Josh Saddler
Brian Harring wrote: > [many statistics] > Aside from that, aparently props should be given to sparc; seem to be > on top of things. > > Either way, data to chew on. > > ~harring Much thanks for the stats, Brian, it does help to have extra perspective. And yes, eroyf is doing a heckuva lot to g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:35:32AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker > archs cluttering up the tree and making maintainers' work harder. > Clearly, something needs to be done about this. > > I think the first step is to establish wha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:22:49 -0500 "Dan Meltzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | *packages where there is no stable version on that arch. (Or does | adjutrix still suggest keywording.. its unclear) Which is fine, since that means no tree bloat. | * This doesn't address the initial claim that version

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-19 Thread Dan Meltzer
I'm replying here because I couldn't decide whether or not it made more sense to reply to your email, your blog post, your reply to flameeyes blog post, your radio commercial, your television advertisement, or your phone call. The things that this doesn't do (Or if it does it isn't documented) is

[gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
It is widely perceived that Gentoo has a huge problem with slacker archs cluttering up the tree and making maintainers' work harder. Clearly, something needs to be done about this. I think the first step is to establish what all the problem architectures are. We all know that mips is by far the wo