On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
I *DON'T WANT* a serious framework, I want a lightweight device
manager... period... end of story. Stick with the unix principle of one
app doing one thing well. mdev is enough for the vast majority of people.
For the people who don't
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
I *DON'T WANT* a serious framework, I want a lightweight device
manager... period... end of story. Stick with the unix principle of one
app doing one thing well.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:56:15AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote:
We learned that this is not a good idea at all, and should be left to
userspace helper applications
that listen for dbus messages.
Could you perhaps expand a
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:55:23AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Greg KH wrote
So you need to implement stuff such that you are not dependant on the
bus type. If you see a new disk, act on it, it's that simple.
But note, please do not be
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:05:57AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:56:15AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote
I don't know at what state udev was 3 or 4 years ago, but mdev can:
1. Populate /dev (now unnecessary due to devtmpfs).
2. Handle ownership, permissions and
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote:
I know of no such problem with udisks, have you reported them to the
upstream developers?
As I said, it's just what I hear — perhaps it's the usual retrograde
whining. I should probably just try udisks-glue, the only issue I see
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 02:32:57AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
I *DON'T WANT* a serious framework, I want a lightweight device
manager... period... end of story. Stick with the unix principle of one
app doing one thing well. mdev is
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 02:32:57AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
I *DON'T WANT* a serious framework, I want a lightweight device
manager... period... end of story.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:55:23AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
After some more Google-searching. it looks like the official
channels way is via /etc/mdev.conf. Note that this is on a system with
busybox[mdev] and no udev.
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote
What specifically is your objection to udev today? Is it doing things
you don't like? Too big? Something else?
Today, it requires an initramfs if /usr is not physically on /.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:44:59AM +0200, Stelian Ionescu wrote
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote
What specifically is your objection to udev today? Is it doing things
you don't like? Too big? Something else?
I asked what I thought was a simple developer-type question. I don't
want this to become a public flamewar. If anybody wants to discuss the
issue with me further, please email directly to me and not the list.
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Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 07:51:03PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:44:59AM +0200, Stelian Ionescu wrote
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote
What specifically is your objection to udev today?
On 16 May 2012 05:21, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:44:59AM +0200, Stelian Ionescu wrote
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote
What specifically is your objection to udev today? Is
On 15/05/12 21:07, Arun Raghavan wrote:
1) Did you sleep through the /usr and initramfs flamewars?
http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
You seem to have missed the bit that this has nothing at all to do with
systemd.
I guess the systemd in the url might be
After some Google-searching, I think I've figured out how to implement
automounting under mdev. I'd like to put in as much sanity-checking
into the script as possible. Right now I have 1 USB stick plugged in as
/dev/sdb. Th hard drive is /dev/sda. The removable data is readable
like so...
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:53:53AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
After some Google-searching, I think I've figured out how to implement
automounting under mdev. I'd like to put in as much sanity-checking
into the script as possible. Right now I have 1 USB stick plugged in as
/dev/sdb. Th hard
On Monday 14 May 2012 03:53:53 Walter Dnes wrote:
My question... is this API stable or deprecated? I.e. can I count on
it being around for a while? I figure this question is a developer type
question rather than ordinary user type.
if userspace is relying on stuff in /sys, then it's part
WD cat /sys/block/sda/removable
WD 0
Note that a 0 there does not imply that the device cannot hotplug.
My USB drive reports 0.
-JimC
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James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6
On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 12:31 -0400, James Cloos wrote:
WD cat /sys/block/sda/removable
WD 0
Note that a 0 there does not imply that the device cannot hotplug.
My USB drive reports 0.
And I'm sure it works fine with udev?
Those who do not understand udev are condemned to reinvent it,
On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:56:39 -0400
Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 12:31 -0400, James Cloos wrote:
WD cat /sys/block/sda/removable
WD 0
Note that a 0 there does not imply that the device cannot hotplug.
My USB drive reports 0.
And I'm sure it works
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:31:25PM -0400, James Cloos wrote
WD cat /sys/block/sda/removable
WD 0
Note that a 0 there does not imply that the device cannot hotplug.
My USB drive reports 0.
You're right. Same for me. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
My USB drive reports 0.
WD You're right. Same for me. Thanks for pointing it out.
The removable flag specifies whether the drive has removable media;
before flash drives only things like floppy, optical, zip, etc drives
had removable==1. It also would be accurate for flash card readers.
If
OC == Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org writes:
OC And I'm sure it works fine with udev?
It automounts when plugged in, if that is what you mean. (In fact each
partition does; the one in fstab(5) where it should and the one not in
fstab in a mount point based on its label.)
And the dev files
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:09:23PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2012 03:53:53 Walter Dnes wrote:
My question... is this API stable or deprecated? I.e. can I count on
it being around for a while? I figure this question is a developer type
question rather than ordinary
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:53:53AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
After some Google-searching, I think I've figured out how to implement
automounting under mdev. I'd like to put in as much sanity-checking
into the script as possible. Right now I have 1 USB stick plugged in as
/dev/sdb. Th hard
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote:
We learned that this is not a good idea at all, and should be left to
userspace helper applications
that listen for dbus messages.
Could you perhaps expand a bit on those reasons? E.g., I had good
experience with the following
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
Actually with all the hype about mdev these days, why not just use a 3
year old version of udev (or maybe 4), that is probably what mdev is at
as far as functionality goes. Why not just fork udev from then and go
forward from that?
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:56:15AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote
I don't know at what state udev was 3 or 4 years ago, but mdev can:
1. Populate /dev (now unnecessary due to devtmpfs).
2. Handle ownership, permissions and symlinks to /dev nodes once they
appear, according to simple rules (can
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Greg KH wrote
So you need to implement stuff such that you are not dependant on the
bus type. If you see a new disk, act on it, it's that simple.
But note, please do not be automounting disks from uevents directly.
After some more
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