OK. Here is my take on profiles and USE.
First of all, the default-linux/$arch/$relver profiles will *always*
match what we use to build GRP for the releases. There's no discussion
here, as this will not be changed. Adding additional sub-profiles
really is a stupid idea and a waste of
On Monday, 26 December 2005 11:57 am, Jakub Moc wrote:
emboss - Adds support for the European Molecular Biology Open Software
Suite. WTF? Why are we abusing make.defaults for such stuff?
Quote from bug #82428:
The reason why I think emboss should be enabled by default is that the
vast
On Monday 26 December 2005 09:33, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 02:24, Doug Goldstein wrote:
well there is always USE enabling... (i.e. When I emerge x11-libs/qt,
it'll turn on the qt USE flag)
which we've already established quite clearly as something we wish to get
rid
Doug Goldstein wrote:
the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this
crap...
./default-linux/x86/2005.0/make.defaults:USE=alsa apm arts avi berkdb
bitmap-fo nts crypt cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb gdbm gif
gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib ipv6 jpeg kde
Bastiaan Visser wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 09:33, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 02:24, Doug Goldstein wrote:
well there is always USE enabling... (i.e. When I emerge x11-libs/qt,
it'll turn on the qt USE flag)
which we've already established quite clearly as
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:09:57 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of
| this crap...
No, you just don't understand how they work. It's not an issue of
is foo important. It's an issue of for packages with optional foo
Dale wrote:
I'm not a dev but I can see both sides. I learned why some things are
being pulled in that I couldn't figure out. I use KDE but do not want
Gnome and it appears that I have some gnome stuff installed and didn't
know it, because of the USE line. I guess they are in there because
Petteri Räty wrote:
aint it worth it to mention -* in the handbook ?
If you make a decision, http://bugs.gentoo.org/ please.
And then mentioning stuff like pam that almost everyone wants? There are
also things that should be on by default.
If it should be on by default, let's add it to the
On Monday 26 December 2005 17:32, Jan Kundrát wrote:
If it should be on by default, let's add it to the profile, don't ask
users to turn it on themselves.
That s what it s done now. But -* would disable it...
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26.12.2005, 16:35:33, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:09:57 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of
| this crap...
No, you just don't understand how they work. It's not an issue of
is foo important.
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:17 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| alsa - this does not make most sense definitely, this horrible thing
| needs to die.
Why? On x86, alsa is the least broken sound system, and on x86, the
target for the default profiles is desktops, and most desktops have
Doug Goldstein wrote:
the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this
crap...
./default-linux/x86/2005.0/make.defaults:USE=alsa apm arts avi berkdb
bitmap-fo nts crypt cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb gdbm gif
gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib ipv6 jpeg kde
26.12.2005, 18:07:45, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:17 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| alsa - this does not make most sense definitely, this horrible thing
| needs to die.
Why? On x86, alsa is the least broken sound system, and on x86, the
target for the
Petteri Räty wrote:
Bastiaan Visser wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 09:33, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 02:24, Doug Goldstein wrote:
well there is always USE enabling... (i.e. When I emerge x11-libs/qt,
it'll turn on the qt USE flag)
which
Simon Stelling wrote:
Doug Goldstein wrote:
the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this
crap...
./default-linux/x86/2005.0/make.defaults:USE=alsa apm arts avi berkdb
bitmap-fo nts crypt cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb gdbm gif
gnome gpm gstreamer
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 17:57 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote:
eds - please, fix the ebuilds properly instead of throwing the thing on
everyone. This has already caused numerous invalid bugs with people
wondering why the heck portage wants to emerge gnome with USE=-gtk -gnome
How do you suggest the
On Monday 26 December 2005 19:36, Joe McCann wrote:
This whole thread seems to have come from a
misunderstanding of how use.defaults work and 20 min of boredom.
use.defaults are based on the idea that having an ebuild installed should
activate the relevant use flag(s) behind the users back.
On Monday 26 December 2005 18:07, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Because it makes sense. For any application which has IUSE=emboss,
chances are emboss should be enabled. There was a long discussion about
this on the -user list a while back where I ended up posting a
newbie-friendly explanation of the
26.12.2005, 19:36:23, Joe McCann wrote:
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 17:57 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote:
eds - please, fix the ebuilds properly instead of throwing the thing on
everyone. This has already caused numerous invalid bugs with people
wondering why the heck portage wants to emerge gnome with
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:03:42 +0100 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| On Monday 26 December 2005 18:07, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Because it makes sense. For any application which has IUSE=emboss,
| chances are emboss should be enabled. There was a long discussion
| about this on the
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 20:24 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote:
26.12.2005, 19:36:23, Joe McCann wrote:
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 17:57 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote:
eds - please, fix the ebuilds properly instead of throwing the thing on
everyone. This has already caused numerous invalid bugs with people
OK, so because every 3rd gnome user is not able to add the proper use flag
to make.conf, every non-gnome user is stuck with investigating and putting
-eds into make.conf to avoid pulling in gnome crap. Wonderful.
Yes, I am ranting, because this kind of use flags basically pulls in huge
number or
26.12.2005, 22:21:14, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petteno wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 20:24, Jakub Moc wrote:
exactly the same thing with motif - would
someone explain why the heck do do we need this thing in make.defaults?
Because people emerges xpdf waiting for xpdf binary and they won't find
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:19:47 -0700 Lares Moreau
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Is it feasible and or useful to have a 'meta-flag' that that enables
| all the 'necessary' USE flags for a given group of packages? So
| something like USE='meta-flagname'.
USE flags are for things that're optional, not
Lares Moreau wrote:
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 12:36 -0600, Joe McCann wrote:
For the record, the eds flag was
added as a default flag because every 3rd gnome user would file bugs or
complain via forums because they installed gnome, found no
evolution-data-server integration, and then be bummed
Lares Moreau wrote:
I'm relatively ignorant of USE Flag intricacies, so please forgive me if
things don't 'fit'.
Ditto for me. I have a question or two. I have servers that have no
GUI at all. I just use them to run folding on. Would I benefit from
puting in USE=-* in my USE line?
Lares Moreau wrote:
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 12:36 -0600, Joe McCann wrote:
For the record, the eds flag was
added as a default flag because every 3rd gnome user would file bugs or
complain via forums because they installed gnome, found no
evolution-data-server integration, and then be bummed
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:28:17PM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote:
It occurs to me that this could be (to an extent) accomplished by having
a few more specialized subprofiles for x86: base, desktop, gnome, and kde.
base - as the name implies, a _basic_ starting point... very similar to
server
Brian Harring wrote:
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:28:17PM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote:
It occurs to me that this could be (to an extent) accomplished by having
a few more specialized subprofiles for x86: base, desktop, gnome, and kde.
base - as the name implies, a _basic_ starting point...
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:10:04AM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote:
Brian Harring wrote:
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:28:17PM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote:
3) there is _no_ functionality added by any of this, only
user-friendliness after a fashion, and as such, perhaps it should all
be chucked
the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this
crap...
./default-linux/x86/2005.0/make.defaults:USE=alsa apm arts avi berkdb
bitmap-fo nts crypt cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb gdbm gif
gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib ipv6 jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad
mikmod
On Monday 26 December 2005 00:09, Doug Goldstein wrote:
the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this
crap...
not really a useful endeavor unless we get something like per-package USE
defaults
everyone has their own opinion as to what a 'good' or 'sane' default is
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 00:09, Doug Goldstein wrote:
the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this
crap...
not really a useful endeavor unless we get something like per-package USE
defaults
everyone has their own opinion as to
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 00:09, Doug Goldstein wrote:
the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this
crap...
not really a useful endeavor unless we get something like per-package USE
defaults
everyone has their own opinion as to what a
On Monday 26 December 2005 02:24, Doug Goldstein wrote:
well there is always USE enabling... (i.e. When I emerge x11-libs/qt,
it'll turn on the qt USE flag)
which we've already established quite clearly as something we wish to get rid
of completely
-mike
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