Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-14 Thread Richard Freeman
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 14:05 Fri 13 Mar , Michael Higgins wrote: Even if they are, an IRC log is a *terrible* way to document an issue. I agree. So is a mailing-list archive that is also never summarized. It's not the location that makes it a problem, it's the volume of information an

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 19:56 Fri 13 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: > Donnie Berkholz said: > > On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: > > > > > the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be > > > > > available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as > > > > > a project could realize m

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 14:05 Fri 13 Mar , Michael Higgins wrote: > I believe, rather, that the issue is the 'community' appears more like > a 'cabal' when the discussions take place on #IRC and therefore aren't > available in public archives. This is kind of like saying: "I don't read the Gentoo forums, so eve

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Michael Higgins
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:09:04 -0700 Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: > > > > the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be > > > > available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a > > > > project could realize more of its potential b

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Thilo Bangert
> > I think that summarizing "IRC" is insane. and there is no need for it either. as stated elsewhere much of what is going on on IRC is 'goofing off' - for which IRC is excellent. (heck - i should goof off more often :-) i dont mind the day-to-day work stuff going on on IRC exclusively - but

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne pátek 13 Březen 2009 19:52:59 Alec Warner napsal(a): > > I think that summarizing "IRC" is insane. Remember we barely got > summaries of council meetings (which are at a fixed time and date) > until we got a secretary devoted explicitly to that task. Maybe more > teams should take up the meet

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Thilo Bangert
Donnie Berkholz said: > On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: > > > > the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be > > > > available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a > > > > project could realize more of its potential by better integrating > > > > people w

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM, AllenJB wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> >> On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: > > the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available via > IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project could realize > mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread AllenJB
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project could realize more of its potential by better integrating people who dont do IRC. I think IRC

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: > > > the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available > > > via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project > > > could realize more of its potential by better integrating people > > > who dont do IRC. I think IRC h

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread Markos Chandras
On Wednesday 11 March 2009 20:06:33 Thilo Bangert wrote: > Markos Chandras said: > > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: > > > > Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's > > > > what irc is for. > > > > > > while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Wednesday 11 of March 2009 19:06:33 Thilo Bangert wrote: > my complaint isn't about people using IRC. i object to the way that much > of our knowledge, discussion and decision making process appear to have > been moved into the temporal black hole that is IRC. > realtime communication is an val

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread Thilo Bangert
Markos Chandras said: > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: > > > Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's > > > what irc is for. > > > > while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in > > contact with me, it surely is a better way t

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread AllenJB
Steev Klimaszewski wrote: memoserv Did you not read a single word of what I just said? memoserv only allows 1-1 communication. I'm talking about methods which allow for 1:many or many:many. memoserv also doesn't solve the bus issue or really provide any permanent record of communication (AF

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
memoserv

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread AllenJB
AllenJB wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IR

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread AllenJB
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i a

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Lukasz Damentko
2009/3/10 Markos Chandras : > Gentoo as a project could realize > more of its potential by better integrating people who dont do IRC. Yes. Let's integrate them by introducing IRC to them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: > > Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what > > irc is for. > > while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in > contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close > to

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 10-03-2009 13:15:36 +0100, Thilo Bangert wrote: > > Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what > > irc is for. > > while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in > contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close > to n

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Thilo Bangert
> Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what > irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close to never. the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to b