Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > > > How about uncommenting a line that does so. All you are buying into is > > a default setup. > > App authors don't ship configs like that though. Does apt ship a sudo > config? Does anything? Perhaps you missed my opening message on this topic, except it was in your first reply.

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> > >> > I never meant it is rubbish as such but I saw it as rediculously >> > inferior to sudo before I even read this. >> > >> > http://drfav.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/the-quest-towards-trusted-client-applications-a-rambling/ >> >> Perhaps

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-16 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > > > I never meant it is rubbish as such but I saw it as rediculously > > inferior to sudo before I even read this. > > > > http://drfav.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/the-quest-towards-trusted-client-applications-a-rambling/ > > Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but that is talking about a specific set

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> > Unless sudo has some config setting that allows access only when >> > logged in via console it isn't really a solution. >> > >> > Rich >> > > > man sudoers -> /requiretty > >> >> I manage 'thousands' of desktops at Google and we generall

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:19:37 +0200 Maxim Kammerer wrote: > This is a major problem, there are other questionable choices that > raise the question whether developers are familiar with how things are > done on Unix: > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58787 > I have to confess that de

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > You could try to argue that many eyes will look at a central piece of > code but in fact less implementations will likely mean less eyes and > just assumption that a guy who got JS through as a config language has > everything covered. Stil

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Unless sudo has some config setting that allows access only when > > logged in via console it isn't really a solution. > > > > Rich > > man sudoers -> /requiretty > > I manage 'thousands' of desktops at Google and we generally like > polkit. I never meant it is rubbish as such but I saw i

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> >> I still ascert that apps adding groups with NOPASSWD sudoers lines >> perhaps even commented out by default in all or some cases is far >> better than polkit for many reasons. Any c

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > I still ascert that apps adding groups with NOPASSWD sudoers lines > perhaps even commented out by default in all or some cases is far > better than polkit for many reasons. Any counter argument can apply > to sudo too and rather easily. >

Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Debian having to patch KDE to use /etc for configs is simply wrong too. > > huh huh, do you know if they have a fix for > http://bugs.gentoo.org/438790 to stop KDE from destroying upstream > polkit files? I don't, I just know that on Debian the configs are in /etc and the bug you mention,

Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-15 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 14/01/13 20:35, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Debian having to patch KDE to use /etc for configs is simply wrong too. huh huh, do you know if they have a fix for http://bugs.gentoo.org/438790 to stop KDE from destroying upstream polkit files?