Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Samuli Suominen
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 04:32:33 + Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:20:18 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense to anyone, but holding back hundreds of developers and thousands of users for a handful of developers ...and how exactly are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving use.desc

2008-01-05 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Friday, 4. January 2008, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 14:59 Wed 02 Jan , Mike Kelly wrote: While you're at it, I think almost everything in desc/video_cards.desc, desc/input_devices.desc, and a few more, could use some attention. In particular, things like nv vs. nvidia are quite

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Caleb Tennis
If anyone has any examples of where they really are being held back and where they really have given the arch teams plenty of time to do something, I'd like to see them... Somehow I doubt it happens very often, if at all. Why? You aren't the person I or anyone else has to make a case to. In

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: some sci-mathematics packages

2008-01-05 Thread Sébastien Fabbro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Cloos wrote: Sébastien sci-mathematics/pariguide: unmaintained since 2002 Is there anything actually wrong with this one? I don't see any bugs open on it, and it works fine here. Dropping packages just because they are stable is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Luca Barbato
Chris Gianelloni wrote: This has been an issue for quite some time. Of course, the impact is debatable, but it seems that we cannot agree ourselves on what is agreeable, so I see this as a point to bring to the Council simply so it can be resolved once and for all and things can resume normal

Re: [gentoo-dev] has_version etc parallelisability

2008-01-05 Thread Petteri Räty
Luca Barbato kirjoitti: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:50:56 -0800 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on the implementation; for pkgcore, if that comm pipe is dead, the ebuild env *should* be dead, or dieing. Background'ing processes from that env isn't valid imo,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Ryan Hill
Luca Barbato wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: This has been an issue for quite some time. Of course, the impact is debatable, but it seems that we cannot agree ourselves on what is agreeable, so I see this as a point to bring to the Council simply so it can be resolved once and for all and

[gentoo-dev] RFC: length of the DESCRIPTION variable

2008-01-05 Thread Petteri Räty
Current devmanual suggest to not use line lengths over 80 characters. http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/file-format/index.html I wrote a repoman check that checks that the value doesn't go over 80. This is useful for tools like eix that show the DESCRIPTION. The thing is that lots of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:03:43 -0500 (EST) Caleb Tennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone has any examples of where they really are being held back and where they really have given the arch teams plenty of time to do something, I'd like to see them... Somehow I doubt it happens very often,

Re: [gentoo-dev] has_version etc parallelisability

2008-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:29:51 +0100 Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: src_compile() { { sleep 10 ; has_version '=app-misc/foo-1.23' ; } } is allowed in ebuilds? should? Banning it entirely is excessive. Banning leaving any attached processes between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:47:51 +0200 Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mainly, talking about categories (yes, categories, no need to mention single ebuilds at this point) xfce-* and media-* here. So nothing that's a priority for the users of those archs then. Now please provide specific

[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill wrote: I don't think any of the current suggestions are very good, but I don't have anything better, other than we get more mips/alt-arch ppl or access to hardware. Like I said, I'm willing to buy hardware if I can find any (must ship to Nowhere, Canada). Alright, I put my money

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: So nothing that's a priority for the users of those archs then. Now please provide specific examples of how anyone is being held up. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202726 Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:33:15 -0500 (EST) Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: So nothing that's a priority for the users of those archs then. Now please provide specific examples of how anyone is being held up.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Martin Jackson
And what is the impact of that holdup? Have you explained why you consider that to be a priority to the arch teams in question? We had a sec bug on net-snmp that was held up due to dev-python/setuptools not being ~mips. The net-snmp folks added a python module to their distribution, and I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:18:09 -0600 Martin Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191550 - it took 2 months for mips to keyword it. Security bugs are normally supposed to have enhanced priority for keywording, etc. Perhaps you should have explicitly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:32:09 -0600 Martin Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you should have explicitly stated in the bug that it was for security reasons and thus a priority. Make things easy for the arch teams -- if you have useful information like that, provide it in an easy to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Martin Jackson
When arch people get dozens to hundreds of bug emails per day, no, it's not. A simple this is now a security issue, see bug blah makes it an awful lot easier for arch people to prioritise -- emails that merely show blockers added or removed tend to get ignored because a) they're almost always

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Luca Barbato
Ryan Hill wrote: PS: has anybody checked how viable is now qemu-system ? Does it build with GCC 4 yet? not yet... -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:19:10 +0100 Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: has anybody checked how viable is now qemu-system ? Testing on qemu isn't anything like testing on real hardware. It's not a reliable or useful way of doing arch work. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:52:49 -0600 Martin Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's making the assumption that anyone looked at it, of course. Please note comment #9 on http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198346. It was still ~8 days from then that the setuptools keyword was added. So, we