Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=live-sources setting for ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:06 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would having the ebuild perform locking be unportable or introduce any undesirable complexity? Does it really need to be so fine-grained? It's not particularly tricky, and the lock code can be moved into an eclass if

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=virtual value to identify meta-packages?

2008-08-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:57:28 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't we just treat them like other ebuilds except for the thing about dependencies? Perhaps more fine-grained attributes could be added for additional specificity. Could do, yes, in which case the name should be something

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=live-sources setting for ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:06 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would having the ebuild perform locking be unportable or introduce any undesirable complexity? Does it really need to be so fine-grained? It's not

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=live-sources setting for ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:26:22 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To simplify things, how about if we just do a PROPERTIES=live-src-unpack for now, to indicate exclusive access to $DISTDIR during src_unpack? Thats a simple and portable baseline that will be quite useful even without

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=live-sources setting for ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread Joe Peterson
Zac Medico wrote: To simplify things, how about if we just do a PROPERTIES=live-src-unpack for now, to indicate exclusive access to $DISTDIR during src_unpack? Thats a simple and portable baseline that will be quite useful even without anything finer grained. No need for a convoluted and long

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=live-sources setting for ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:37:26 -0600 Joe Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zac Medico wrote: To simplify things, how about if we just do a PROPERTIES=live-src-unpack for now, to indicate exclusive access to $DISTDIR during src_unpack? Thats a simple and portable baseline that will be quite

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=live-sources setting for ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread David Leverton
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 07:37:26 Joe Peterson wrote: You are trying to say it's a 'live' ebuild (i.e. it gets the sources from a live source) - that's all. The locking issues are a technical detail No, the locking issues are the whole point. There are other reasons to want the package

OT: Precedence: bulk (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Please don't use auto-responders on the lists.)

2008-08-06 Thread Thilo Bangert
Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Please do NOT use out-of-office, vacation or any other auto-responders on the lists. It's bad list etiquette. decent vacation mail software ignores mail marked with a 'Precedence: bulk' header, as mailing list mail usually is (including mails sent by

[gentoo-dev] Re: OT: Precedence: bulk

2008-08-06 Thread Eray Aslan
On 06.08.2008 11:11, Thilo Bangert wrote: Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Please do NOT use out-of-office, vacation or any other auto-responders on the lists. It's bad list etiquette. decent vacation mail software ignores mail marked with a 'Precedence: bulk' header, as mailing

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=interactive value to identify interactive packages?

2008-08-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello again, Please consider a new PROPERTIES=interactive setting that allows an ebuild to indicate that it uses stdin and stdout for user interaction sometime during the pkg_setup and/or src_unpack phases (similar to GLEP 52 [1]). This will be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=interactive value to identify interactive packages?

2008-08-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello again, Please consider a new PROPERTIES=interactive setting that allows an ebuild to indicate that it uses stdin and stdout for user interaction sometime during the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=interactive value to identify interactive packages?

2008-08-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alec Warner wrote: Just to be clear; PROPERTIES is a space separated list of items correct? I was thinking that it might support the same syntax as RESTRICT, which includes support for USE conditionals. Zac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version:

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New RESTRICT=live value for identification of live ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:02:48 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, It might good to add support for a new RESTRICT=live value in ebuilds. By specifying this value, an ebuild would be able to indicate that it uses

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Shall we create a ballot for PROPERTIES value definition proposals?

2008-08-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone, Given the vast number of possible choices to consider when defining new PROPERTIES values [1], perhaps we should create a ballot and hold a vote on definitions that people have submitted. I suppose that voters would be able to vote

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Shall we create a ballot for PROPERTIES value definition proposals?

2008-08-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:03:02 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the vast number of possible choices to consider when defining new PROPERTIES values [1], perhaps we should create a ballot and hold a vote on definitions that people have submitted. I suppose that voters would be able

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Shall we create a ballot for PROPERTIES value definition proposals?

2008-08-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: What's wrong with just discussing it until we agree? Why do you think a compromise is necessary? I think voting might be an interesting approach. We'll see if anyone else is interested. I don't know yet. :) Zac -BEGIN

RE: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-06 Thread Chrissy Fullam
2) Continued presence of forcefully retired devs It really baffles me that some developers are forcefully retired for anti-social behavior, but are not consequently banned from the places where they display this behavior, such as our MLs and IRC channels. What good is it to retire developers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-06 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Chrissy Fullam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It could be a good precedent without being policy, or dependent upon the reason for being forcibly removed perhaps. It is quite possible for someone to find another way to contribute without having developer status, a

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-lang/caml-light (Removal due 7 september 2008)

2008-08-06 Thread Alexis Ballier
That's a bit sad that I announce this as I learnt caml with it, too many years ago. Reasons: Does not build (bug #206138), unmaintained upstream for years, not very useful nowadays. Use dev-lang/ocaml instead. Alexis. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Robin H. Johnson
Hi folks, Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of channels. Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would each channel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 14:18 Wed 06 Aug , Robin H. Johnson wrote: Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of channels. Yay! Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Mark Loeser
Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would each channel founder/leader please respond to this thread, stating the channel name, and that they are the contact for any

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008.08.06 22:18, Robin H. Johnson wrote: Hi folks, Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of channels. Robin Can Willikins be joined to:-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 06-08-2008 14:18:05 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would each channel founder/leader please respond to this thread, stating the channel name, and that they are the contact

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Petteri Räty
Robin H. Johnson kirjoitti: Hi folks, Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of channels. Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-*

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Christian Hoffmann
On 2008-08-06 23:18, Robin H. Johnson wrote: Hi folks, Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of channels. Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin H. Johnson wrote: Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would each channel founder/leader please respond to this thread, stating the channel name, and that they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Rob Cakebread
Robin H. Johnson wrote: If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would each channel founder/leader please respond to this thread, stating the channel name, and that they are the contact for any problems/troubles. #gentoo-python Thanks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Mike Pagano
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 17:18:05 Robin H. Johnson wrote: Hi folks, Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of channels. #gentoo-kernel Thanks to everyone involved. -- Mike Pagano Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Sullivan
Arch channels? #gentoo-amd64 and #gentoo-amd64-dev would be cool :) i tend to use jeeves a bit in amd64-dev... Nathan Sullivan. On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Mike Pagano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 06 August 2008 17:18:05 Robin H. Johnson wrote: Hi folks, Sorry that it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Luis Francisco Araujo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin H. Johnson wrote: | Hi folks, | | Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves | replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of | channels. | | Getting the bot out there | - |

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 12:12:16PM +1000, Nathan Sullivan wrote: Arch channels? #gentoo-amd64 and #gentoo-amd64-dev would be cool :) i tend to use jeeves a bit in amd64-dev... Please have the channel founder or point of contact request it. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer Infra

[gentoo-dev] Re: Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Ali Polatel
Robin H. Johnson yazmış: Hi folks, Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of channels. Thanks! Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=interactive value to identify interactive packages?

2008-08-06 Thread Jeremy Olexa
Please consider a new PROPERTIES=interactive setting that allows an ebuild to indicate that it uses stdin and stdout for user I don't think anyone will disagree with this one. The one problem that I see is that if the ebuild still doesn't have this value in it, portage will *look* like it has

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=interactive value to identify interactive packages?

2008-08-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jeremy Olexa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please consider a new PROPERTIES=interactive setting that allows an ebuild to indicate that it uses stdin and stdout for user I don't think anyone will disagree with this one. The one problem that I see is that if the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Panagiotis Christopoulos
On 14:18 Wed 06 Aug , Robin H. Johnson wrote: Hi folks, Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of channels. w Getting the bot out there - If you

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=interactive value to identify interactive packages?

2008-08-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Olexa wrote: Please consider a new PROPERTIES=interactive setting that allows an ebuild to indicate that it uses stdin and stdout for user I don't think anyone will disagree with this one. The one problem that I see is that if the ebuild

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-06 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:18 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would each channel founder/leader please respond to this thread, stating the channel name, and that they are the

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New PROPERTIES=live-sources setting for ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread Steve Long
Zac Medico wrote: As a substitute for the previously discussed RESTRICT=live value[1], I'd now like you to consider an equivalent PROPERTIES=live-sources setting. By specifying PROPERTIES=live-sources, an ebuild will be able to indicate that it uses src_unpack() to download sources from some