Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Josh Saddler
Tiziano Müller wrote: Hi everyone With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you depend on doesn't have the use flag anymore (see [1] for an example). So I think it's time for a short eapi bump

[gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Josh Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org: Tiziano Müller wrote: Hi everyone With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you depend on doesn't have the use flag anymore (see [1] for an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:08:37 -0800 Josh Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: Is there a reason why we should ram through a new EAPI for something that *looks* like another Paludis supports this so let's make it a Portage standard proposal? Is there some kind of time deadline here that you all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Last time I checked, every single use of foo? as a direct child of || in the tree was wrong, as were the Portage docs. Let's say you have the following: DEPEND=|| ( foo? ( cat/foo ) bar? ( cat/bar ) cat/baz )

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 00:08 -0800 schrieb Josh Saddler: Tiziano Müller wrote: Hi everyone With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you depend on doesn't have the use flag anymore (see

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009, Tiziano Müller wrote: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pPAJXP6shYH78lCXeqRqCUQ I get Not Found - Error 404 for this URL. Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] x-modular.eclass: A modified approach to EAPI support

2009-03-08 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 08 March 2009 05:22:03 Donnie Berkholz wrote: FYI, using EXPORT_FUNCTIONS before inherit, as this patch caused x-modular.eclass to do, is broken in current portage releases. Zac said he would change this to be consistent with the lack of any ordering restriction in the PMS. Thanks to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2009-03-08 10:43:44 Tiziano Müller napisał(a): Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 00:08 -0800 schrieb Josh Saddler: Tiziano Müller wrote: Hi everyone With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 12:05 +0100 schrieb Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis: 2009-03-08 10:43:44 Tiziano Müller napisał(a): Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 00:08 -0800 schrieb Josh Saddler: Tiziano Müller wrote: Hi everyone With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but

[gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?

2009-03-08 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
Hi, (Mail sent to gentoo-dev gentoo-scm, please Fu2 gentoo-scm only) On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 06:29:08PM -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 07:57:02PM -0500, Caleb Cushing wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: People are working

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Sunday 08 March 2009, Tiziano Müller wrote: Hi everyone With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you depend on doesn't have the use flag anymore (see [1] for an example). So I think it's time

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 08:49 Sun 08 Mar , Tiziano Müller wrote: So I think it's time for a short eapi bump with some distinct improvements: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pPAJXP6shYH78lCXeqRqCUQ It's still being edited, so I have no idea whether I'm commenting on the same version as was originally

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:42:29 -0700 Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org wrote: - I understand the reasoning for the SRC_CONFIGURE_WITH blah stuff. I strongly oppose this implementation because it makes ebuilds less like bash scripts that are easy to understand. Instead I suggest extending

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 16:48 Sun 08 Mar , Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:42:29 -0700 Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org wrote: - I understand the reasoning for the SRC_CONFIGURE_WITH blah stuff. I strongly oppose this implementation because it makes ebuilds less like bash scripts that are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Jesus Rivero
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tiziano Müller wrote: | Hi everyone | | With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new | problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you | depend on doesn't have the use flag anymore (see [1] for an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 10:01:05AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: How would that work? I can't see an obvious way of doing it that isn't more or less as verbose as just using multiple calls. It would just eliminate all but one call to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:50:19 -0430 Jesus Rivero neurog...@gentoo.org wrote: ~if python-2.6 is the selected interpreter and it misses the tk use flag. Is there a way to workaround this? am I missing something? or is just something else ~to take into account for next eapi? Fixing this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Stelian Ionescu
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 08:49 +0100, Tiziano Müller wrote: Hi everyone With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you depend on doesn't have the use flag anymore (see [1] for an example). you can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 10:01 Sun 08 Mar , Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 16:48 Sun 08 Mar , Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:42:29 -0700 Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org wrote: - I understand the reasoning for the SRC_CONFIGURE_WITH blah stuff. I strongly oppose this implementation

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 10:01 -0700 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: On 16:48 Sun 08 Mar , Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:42:29 -0700 Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org wrote: - I understand the reasoning for the SRC_CONFIGURE_WITH blah stuff. I strongly oppose this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 19:06 +0100 schrieb Stelian Ionescu: On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 08:49 +0100, Tiziano Müller wrote: Hi everyone With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you depend on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 17:22 +0100 schrieb Robert Buchholz: On Sunday 08 March 2009, Tiziano Müller wrote: Hi everyone With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you depend on doesn't have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 11:24 -0700 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: On 10:01 Sun 08 Mar , Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 16:48 Sun 08 Mar , Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:42:29 -0700 Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org wrote: - I understand the reasoning for the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 19:35 Sun 08 Mar , Tiziano Müller wrote: Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 11:24 -0700 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: On 10:01 Sun 08 Mar , Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 16:48 Sun 08 Mar , Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:42:29 -0700 Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org

[gentoo-dev] LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Hi, lately i see that in our bugzilla most of the build reports are reported with localized build logs which we dont understand. This leads to us asking the user to run the emerge once more with LC_ALL=C. Wont it be nice to have this variable set by default in portage so users reporting bugs

Re: [gentoo-dev] x-modular.eclass: A modified approach to EAPI support

2009-03-08 Thread Alistair Bush
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 06 Mar 2009, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Any thoughts? + *) + die Unknown EAPI ${EAPI} + ;; Is is safe to assume that an unknown EAPI will

Re: [gentoo-dev] LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Alexis Ballier
Hi, lately i see that in our bugzilla most of the build reports are reported with localized build logs which we dont understand. This leads to us asking the user to run the emerge once more with LC_ALL=C. Wont it be nice to have this variable set by default in portage so users reporting

Re: [gentoo-dev] LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 09:20:14PM +0100, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: Hi, lately i see that in our bugzilla most of the build reports are reported with localized build logs which we dont understand. This leads to us asking the user to run the emerge once more with LC_ALL=C. Wont it be nice to

Re: [gentoo-dev] LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 09:27:20PM +0100, Alexis Ballier wrote: Moreover this would automagically solve the [a-z] friends regexp failures; though that's still good QA to fix them but we wouldn't encounter them anymore. We would encounter them when using the programs outside of portage, but

[gentoo-dev] Packages needing manitainer

2009-03-08 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
We (kde team) have some packages that we are not interested much/are so popular that we cant handle their bugload/releases/etc. So here they are: media-sound/amarok for both kde3 and kde4 version net-misc/mDNSResponder Is there around some brave soul that would became maintainer for this two

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages needing manitainer

2009-03-08 Thread Rémi Cardona
Le 08/03/2009 21:38, Tomáš Chvátal a écrit : net-misc/mDNSResponder How about dropping this one in favor of avahi? Or am I missing something obvious? Cheers :) Rémi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages needing manitainer

2009-03-08 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne neděle 08 Březen 2009 22:54:23 Rémi Cardona napsal(a): How about dropping this one in favor of avahi? Or am I missing something obvious? Well we can do it, but first i would love to see if somebody is interested. Dont you think? Tomas signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages needing manitainer

2009-03-08 Thread Markos Chandras
On Sunday 08 March 2009 22:38:47 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: We (kde team) have some packages that we are not interested much/are so popular that we cant handle their bugload/releases/etc. So here they are: media-sound/amarok for both kde3 and kde4 version net-misc/mDNSResponder Is there around

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 19:27 Sun 08 Mar , Tiziano Müller wrote: Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 10:01 -0700 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: It would just eliminate all but one call to use_with(). Depending on how many you've got, this can shorten things up a fair bit. Here's an example: econf \

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 15:16 -0700 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: On 19:27 Sun 08 Mar , Tiziano Müller wrote: Am Sonntag, den 08.03.2009, 10:01 -0700 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: It would just eliminate all but one call to use_with(). Depending on how many you've got, this can shorten

Re: [gentoo-dev] x-modular.eclass: A modified approach to EAPI support

2009-03-08 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Leverton wrote: On Sunday 08 March 2009 05:22:03 Donnie Berkholz wrote: FYI, using EXPORT_FUNCTIONS before inherit, as this patch caused x-modular.eclass to do, is broken in current portage releases. Zac said he would change this to be

[gentoo-dev] Re: LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:20:14 +0100 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, lately i see that in our bugzilla most of the build reports are reported with localized build logs which we dont understand. This leads to us asking the user to run the emerge once more with LC_ALL=C. Wont it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Sunday 08 of March 2009 23:50:08 Ryan Hill wrote: You do realize that many people don't speak any English, and therefore wouldn't be filing bugs anyways? They just want to use their computer. I'm not sure they will appreciate you forcing a language they don't speak on them any more than

[gentoo-dev] when the music's over

2009-03-08 Thread Ali Polatel
Hey everyone, It's my turn to say goodbye. It's been really nice for two years. I've had great fun and have no bad feelings as I leave. This mail is meant as an apology to people who are awaiting my return. I'm sorry to let you down. So when the fun^Wmusic's over, turn off gentoo^Wthe lights.

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2009-03-08 23h59 UTC

2009-03-08 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2009-03-08 23h59 UTC. Removals: games-fps/anaglyph-stereo-quake 2009-03-02 01:37:10 mr_bones_ games-arcade/ppracer2009-03-06 22:44:11 mr_bones_

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Josh Saddler
Dawid Węgliński wrote: On Sunday 08 of March 2009 23:50:08 Ryan Hill wrote: You do realize that many people don't speak any English, and therefore wouldn't be filing bugs anyways? They just want to use their computer. I'm not sure they will appreciate you forcing a language they don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 08 March 2009 16:20:14 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: lately i see that in our bugzilla most of the build reports are reported with localized build logs which we dont understand. This leads to us asking the user to run the emerge once more with LC_ALL=C. LC_ALL does a lot more than

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 08 March 2009 18:52:58 Dawid Węgliński wrote: On Sunday 08 of March 2009 23:50:08 Ryan Hill wrote: You do realize that many people don't speak any English, and therefore wouldn't be filing bugs anyways? They just want to use their computer. I'm not sure they will appreciate you

Re: [gentoo-dev] LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne pondělí 09 Březen 2009 01:35:07 Mike Frysinger napsal(a): On Sunday 08 March 2009 16:20:14 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: lately i see that in our bugzilla most of the build reports are reported with localized build logs which we dont understand. This leads to us asking the user to run the emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 08 March 2009 20:38:01 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: Dne pondělí 09 Březen 2009 01:35:07 Mike Frysinger napsal(a): On Sunday 08 March 2009 16:20:14 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: lately i see that in our bugzilla most of the build reports are reported with localized build logs which we dont

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 09 of March 2009 01:36:52 Mike Frysinger wrote: Plz fix the bug [1] [1] - http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166730 In my opinion it's nowhere near locale specific bug, unless user sets PORTAGE_TMPDIR to some path containing UTF-8 character beyond ASCII and having broken

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 09:42:29AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 08:49 Sun 08 Mar , Tiziano M?ller wrote: So I think it's time for a short eapi bump with some distinct improvements: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pPAJXP6shYH78lCXeqRqCUQ - I understand the reasoning for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: perl-module.eclass -- review - 2

2009-03-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 14:09 Tue 03 Mar , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Tuesday 03 March 2009 12:13:34 Peter Volkov wrote: Could you just use dosed here? dosed needs to die. Why? Because it's utterly pointless and exists only for legacy reasons. Few packages use it anyway. I did a quick check

Re: [gentoo-dev] LC_ALL=C Set by default for portage

2009-03-08 Thread Serkan Kaba
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Harald van Dijk yazmış: On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 09:27:20PM +0100, Alexis Ballier wrote: Moreover this would automagically solve the [a-z] friends regexp failures; though that's still good QA to fix them but we wouldn't encounter them anymore.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 23:35 Sun 08 Mar , Tiziano Müller wrote: Well, the point I'm trying to make here is a different one: The syntax you proposed is more to write but still equivalent to the one using vars. And looking at the ebuilds - taking G2CONF as an example - it seems that people don't have a

Re: [gentoo-dev] when the music's over

2009-03-08 Thread Serkan Kaba
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ali Polatel yazmış: Hey everyone, It's my turn to say goodbye. It's been really nice for two years. I've had great fun and have no bad feelings as I leave. This mail is meant as an apology to people who are awaiting my return. I'm sorry to let

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] What is a meta package?

2009-03-08 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Amit Dor-Shifer wrote: Hi. i read in http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2chap=3 QUOTE Never depend on a meta-package. So don't depend on gnome-base/gnome, always depend on the specific libraries like libgnome.