Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/05/2013 23:39, Daniel Campbell wrote: I do not consider Gentoo to be only about my own choices, but as a user, who else's choices am I going to consider when I administer my system? I'm happy for any new choices as long as they don't step on mine. I think that's fair. Your choices are

[gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-23 Thread Duncan
Jeroen Roovers posted on Wed, 22 May 2013 17:21:46 +0200 as excerpted: On Tue, 21 May 2013 00:46:22 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: As a user, I've understood: * Severity is something the user/filer can use. So when Chromium doesn't compile on your machine, you set it as a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-23 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:21:40 +0200 Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote: On 05/21/2013 09:03 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote: That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-23 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:39:25 -0500 Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote: I'm curious as to why you consider users who want to save disk space (openrc or systemd, or other packages, it doesn't matter) as fundamentalists. I'd call them using other words but I didn't want to be that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 23 May 2013 05:30:25 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: That's the point. It *IS* possible to use INSTALL_MASK sanely, without something breaking. Nobody said it isn't, I agree hacks can be used without breaking things; the point is that that doesn't make it a good idea in

[gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-23 Thread Duncan
Tom Wijsman posted on Thu, 23 May 2013 08:57:02 +0200 as excerpted: If you really think[1] you need INSTALL_MASK for a few small files when there are much larger consumers around, you should carefully consider whether what you are doing is the right thing. (OMG systemd units!) [1] Think:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-23 Thread Daniel Campbell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/2013 01:41 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:39:25 -0500 Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote: I'm curious as to why you consider users who want to save disk space (openrc or systemd, or other packages, it doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 23 May 2013 03:02:30 -0500 Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote: I can't speak for others who wish to rid their systems of systemd, but personally I look for any excessive use of space on my HDD, despite it being rather large. Since

Re: [gentoo-dev] robo-stable bugs

2013-05-23 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 22/05/13 07:03 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: On 05/22/2013 09:11 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 21/05/13 11:46 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: I do, however, completely agree that there should be some way to leave the bug open and

[gentoo-dev] robo-stable bugs, the flipside

2013-05-23 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Here's a new question on the robo-stable front -- I want to file a bug (by hand, probably) on the next stable candidate for my package and have the robo-stable script CC arches and STABLEREQ after 30 days (assuming no other bugs pop up) Is that

Re: [gentoo-dev] robo-stable bugs, the flipside

2013-05-23 Thread Markos Chandras
On 23 May 2013 19:11, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Here's a new question on the robo-stable front -- I want to file a bug (by hand, probably) on the next stable candidate for my package and have the robo-stable script CC arches and

Re: [gentoo-dev] robo-stable bugs, the flipside

2013-05-23 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 23/05/13 02:40 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: On 23 May 2013 19:11, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: Here's a new question on the robo-stable front -- I want to file a bug (by hand, probably) on the next stable candidate for my package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/2013 04:02 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: I can't speak for others who wish to rid their systems of systemd, but personally I look for any excessive use of space on my HDD, despite it being rather large. Since you brought it up, which

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH multibuild.eclass] Use portable locking code from Fabian Groffen.

2013-05-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 15 May 2013 15:22:21 Michał Górny wrote: The 'userland_*' flags have proven not good enough to determine the availability of lock helpers. Fabian provided a nice portable locking code instead. Fixes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466554 ---

Re: [gentoo-dev] robo-stable bugs, the flipside

2013-05-23 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: Are the sources for the auto-stable etc. script posted somewhere? I don't think i've actually seen a URL at all in this thread (or the one from a couple of months ago).. By all means publish your script when done. That

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] gnome2.eclass does not respect ECONF_SOURCE

2013-05-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 09 May 2013 12:59:11 Pacho Ramos wrote: El mié, 08-05-2013 a las 20:59 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: On Wednesday 05 December 2012 18:02:51 Doug Goldstein wrote: - if grep -q disable-scrollkeeper configure; then + if grep -q disable-scrollkeeper ${ECONF_SOURCE:-.}/configure;

Re: [gentoo-dev] robo-stable bugs, the flipside

2013-05-23 Thread Markos Chandras
On 23 May 2013 19:49, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 23/05/13 02:40 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: On 23 May 2013 19:11, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: Here's a new question on the robo-stable front -- I want to file a bug (by

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Bugzilla maintenance

2013-05-23 Thread Theo Chatzimichos
On Thursday 23 of May 2013 23:51:33 Christian Ruppert wrote: and getsatisfaction.com. far from what I expected :( signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH multibuild.eclass] Use portable locking code from Fabian Groffen.

2013-05-23 Thread Zac Medico
On 05/23/2013 12:29 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 15 May 2013 15:22:21 Michał Górny wrote: The 'userland_*' flags have proven not good enough to determine the availability of lock helpers. Fabian provided a nice portable locking code instead. Fixes:

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] gnome2.eclass does not respect ECONF_SOURCE

2013-05-23 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thursday 09 May 2013 12:59:11 Pacho Ramos wrote: El mié, 08-05-2013 a las 20:59 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: On Wednesday 05 December 2012 18:02:51 Doug Goldstein wrote: - if grep -q disable-scrollkeeper

[gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-23 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:00:46 +0200 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:07:26 +0200 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: Is a stabilisation an enhancement per se? If all stabilisations are enhancements, then why isn't Severity set to Normal instead? (What

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 23 May 2013 23:20:00 -0600 Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: Is a version bump an enhancement per se? Yes. Nothing is broken. There is no bug to fix. No. Things can be broken. There are almost always bugs to fix. New versions come with bug fixes too, users need these fixes.

[gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-23 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:58:26 +0200 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:57:20 -0600 Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: Also, your script does not set the STABLEREQ keyword. People are having to hunt down your robo-stabilisation requests and add it themselves.