Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Stelian Ionescu
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 20:55 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:42:31AM +0200, Ralph Sennhauser wrote
 
  man 5 portage about files in /etc/portage
  
make.conf
   The global custom settings for Portage. See make.conf(5). If
   present, this file will over??? ride settings from /etc/make.conf.
  
  
   3. This news item is really useful, since the change has a potential
   to break automated builds.
  
  We aren't discussing dropping support for the old locations here but
  about makeing the new location the default.
 
   This has the potential to cause problems for people who do things the
 old way, and find that their settings in /etc/make.conf are not being
 applied.  Instead of a news item, maybe we should be looking at warnings
 and/or errors in emerge...
 
 1) If there is a /etc/make.conf, but no /etc/portage/make.conf, emerge
 should generate an ewarn message.  Is emerge smart enough to generate
 only one ewarn even though it's emerging umpteen packages?
 
 2) If there is a /etc/make.conf *AND* a /etc/portage/make.conf, emerge
 should halt immediately with an error message.  If a user has made a
 /etc/make.conf, they will probably expect it to take effect, which is
 not what's going to happen.  This will save the user forums from being
 hit with the same question over and over about settings in /etc/make.conf
 being ignored.

I'd go for a little more sophistication: it should exit with an error
if /etc/make.conf is present and is not a symlink
to /etc/portage/make.conf, because until all tools support the new
location such a symlink might be necessary

 3) When support for /etc/make.conf is finally dropped, the presence of
 /etc/make.conf should make emerge halt immediately with an error message.

1+

-- 
Stelian Ionescu a.k.a. fe[nl]ix
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
http://common-lisp.net/project/iolib



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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
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On 24/07/12 08:55 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:42:31AM +0200, Ralph Sennhauser wrote
 
 man 5 portage about files in /etc/portage
 
 make.conf The global custom settings for Portage. See
 make.conf(5). If present, this file will over??? ride settings
 from /etc/make.conf.
 
 
 3. This news item is really useful, since the change has a
 potential to break automated builds.
 
 We aren't discussing dropping support for the old locations here
 but about makeing the new location the default.
 
 This has the potential to cause problems for people who do things
 the old way, and find that their settings in /etc/make.conf are
 not being applied.  Instead of a news item, maybe we should be
 looking at warnings and/or errors in emerge...
 
 1) If there is a /etc/make.conf, but no /etc/portage/make.conf,
 emerge should generate an ewarn message.  Is emerge smart enough to
 generate only one ewarn even though it's emerging umpteen
 packages?

I'm not sure that this one is particularly necessary, as the default
location is not changing according to the package managers.  It's only
changing according to the stage files that ppl use to install.

Once the package managers roll out -expecting- that make.conf should
be in /etc/portage/make.conf rather than /etc/make.conf, then yes this
should absolutely occur.  Right now (and reportedly for the forseeable
future) that is not the case.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote:
 I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have
 any comments about it?

Several comments:

1. Maybe note that /etc/portage/make.conf takes precedence over /etc/make.conf?

2. New make.conf location (although supported) is not mentioned in
portage(5) man page for currently stable sys-apps/portage (2.1.10.65).

3. This news item is really useful, since the change has a potential
to break automated builds.

4. Are the other files / links in /etc also moving?

# ls -ld /etc/make.*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3554 Jul 24 09:20 /etc/make.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  421 Jul  3 22:03 /etc/make.conf.catalyst
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   40 Jul 20 00:26 /etc/make.globals -
../usr/share/portage/config/make.globals
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   42 Jul 12 18:15 /etc/make.profile -
../usr/portage/profiles/hardened/linux/x86



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Ralph Sennhauser
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:29:14 +0300
Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
 jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote:
  I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have
  any comments about it?  
 
 Several comments:
 
 1. Maybe note that /etc/portage/make.conf takes precedence
 over /etc/make.conf?
 
 2. New make.conf location (although supported) is not mentioned in
 portage(5) man page for currently stable sys-apps/portage (2.1.10.65).
 

man 5 portage about files in /etc/portage

  make.conf
 The global custom settings for Portage. See make.conf(5). If
 present, this file will over‐ ride settings from /etc/make.conf.


 3. This news item is really useful, since the change has a potential
 to break automated builds.

We aren't discussing dropping support for the old locations here but
about makeing the new location the default.



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ralph Sennhauser s...@gentoo.org wrote:
   make.conf
  The global custom settings for Portage. See make.conf(5). If
  present, this file will over‐ ride settings from /etc/make.conf.

Thanks — missed it somehow.

 We aren't discussing dropping support for the old locations here but
 about makeing the new location the default.

My point is that if you copy make.conf to /etc automatically, an
/etc/portage/make.conf in stage3 will break the procedure because it
takes precedence.

-- 
Maxim Kammerer
Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Ulrich Mueller
 On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Maxim Kammerer wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
 jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote:
 I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have
 any comments about it?

 Several comments:

 1. Maybe note that /etc/portage/make.conf takes precedence over
 /etc/make.conf?

Does it? With make.profile it seems to be the other way around, i.e.
/etc takes precedence over /etc/portage.

Ulrich



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
 Does it? With make.profile it seems to be the other way around, i.e.
 /etc takes precedence over /etc/portage.

Well, at least this discrepancy is documented (portage(5)):

“[/etc/portage/]make.conf: […] If present, this file will override
settings from /etc/make.conf.”
“If both /etc/make.profile/ and /etc/portage/make.profile/ exist, then
/etc/make.profile/ will be preferred.”
(no mention of /etc/make.globals, though — perhaps it can be removed
from stage3)

-- 
Maxim Kammerer
Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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On 24-07-2012 00:07, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
 Hi.
 
 I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone
 have any comments about it? The idea is to show this news item on
 all Gentoo systems. Is that even possible / desirable? I've talked
 with both the PR and Docs team before about this change. I'll try
 to help the docs team updating the handbook.

Taking into account the input in this thread, I've updated the
proposed news item.



Title: Changes on new stages
Author: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2012-07-27
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0

Starting with catalyst 2.0.10, make.conf and make.profile will be
moved from /etc to /etc/portage. This is a change in the installation
defaults and since Portage will prefer make.conf under /etc/portage
over /etc, this is an heads-up for anyone doing new installs. If you
have a custom or automated method to install Gentoo, be sure to check
if its affected by this change.
Releng build boxes will be updated to this catalyst version during the
next few days. So I expect stages built after July 30th to have
make.conf and make.profile on /etc/portage.
Current users don't need to do anything. But if you want to follow the
preferred location, you may want to take the chance to move the files
in your system(s) to the new location.

- -- 
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng
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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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On 24-07-2012 09:29, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto 
 jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote:
 I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone
 have any comments about it?
 
 Several comments:
 
 1. Maybe note that /etc/portage/make.conf takes precedence over
 /etc/make.conf?
 
 2. New make.conf location (although supported) is not mentioned in 
 portage(5) man page for currently stable sys-apps/portage
 (2.1.10.65).
 
 3. This news item is really useful, since the change has a
 potential to break automated builds.
 
 4. Are the other files / links in /etc also moving?
 
 # ls -ld /etc/make.* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3554 Jul 24 09:20
 /etc/make.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  421 Jul  3 22:03
 /etc/make.conf.catalyst lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   42 Jul 12 18:15
 /etc/make.profile - ../usr/portage/profiles/hardened/linux/x86

This is what we're moving with catalyst to /etc/portage

 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   40 Jul 20 00:26 /etc/make.globals - 
 ../usr/share/portage/config/make.globals

This symlink is installed by Portage, so it's outside catalyst control.

- -- 
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng


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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Ulrich Mueller
 On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Maxim Kammerer wrote:

 Well, at least this discrepancy is documented (portage(5)):

 “[/etc/portage/]make.conf: […] If present, this file will override
 settings from /etc/make.conf.”
 “If both /etc/make.profile/ and /etc/portage/make.profile/ exist, then
 /etc/make.profile/ will be preferred.”

I'd suggest that this is made consistent. The new location should be
preferred.

 (no mention of /etc/make.globals, though — perhaps it can be removed
 from stage3)

Looks like is is installed by Portage:

   $ qfile /etc/make.globals 
   sys-apps/portage (/etc/make.globals)

Ulrich



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote:
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   40 Jul 20 00:26 /etc/make.globals -
 ../usr/share/portage/config/make.globals

 This symlink is installed by Portage, so it's outside catalyst control.

Bug filed: https://bugs.gentoo.org/427862

-- 
Maxim Kammerer
Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:42:31AM +0200, Ralph Sennhauser wrote

 man 5 portage about files in /etc/portage
 
   make.conf
  The global custom settings for Portage. See make.conf(5). If
  present, this file will over??? ride settings from /etc/make.conf.
 
 
  3. This news item is really useful, since the change has a potential
  to break automated builds.
 
 We aren't discussing dropping support for the old locations here but
 about makeing the new location the default.

  This has the potential to cause problems for people who do things the
old way, and find that their settings in /etc/make.conf are not being
applied.  Instead of a news item, maybe we should be looking at warnings
and/or errors in emerge...

1) If there is a /etc/make.conf, but no /etc/portage/make.conf, emerge
should generate an ewarn message.  Is emerge smart enough to generate
only one ewarn even though it's emerging umpteen packages?

2) If there is a /etc/make.conf *AND* a /etc/portage/make.conf, emerge
should halt immediately with an error message.  If a user has made a
/etc/make.conf, they will probably expect it to take effect, which is
not what's going to happen.  This will save the user forums from being
hit with the same question over and over about settings in /etc/make.conf
being ignored.

3) When support for /etc/make.conf is finally dropped, the presence of
/etc/make.conf should make emerge halt immediately with an error message.

-- 
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org



[gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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Hi.

I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have
any comments about it?
The idea is to show this news item on all Gentoo systems. Is that even
possible / desirable?
I've talked with both the PR and Docs team before about this change.
I'll try to help the docs team updating the handbook.


Title: Changes on new stages
Author: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2012-07-27
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0

Starting with catalyst 2.0.10, make.conf and make.profile will be
moved from /etc to /etc/postfix. Releng build boxes will be updated to
this catalyst version during the next few days. So I expect stages
built after July 30th to have make.conf and make.profile on /etc/portage.


- -- 
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng
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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il 23/07/2012 17:07, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto ha scritto:
 from /etc to /etc/postfix. 

Are you really sure? I don't think Portage looks for it there ... ;)

-- 
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flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/



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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote:

snip

 Starting with catalyst 2.0.10, make.conf and make.profile will be
 moved from /etc to /etc/postfix. Releng build boxes will be updated to

s/postfix/portage/

snip

-- 
Doug Goldstein



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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On 24-07-2012 00:19, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
 Il 23/07/2012 17:07, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto ha scritto:
 from /etc to /etc/postfix.
 
 Are you really sure? I don't think Portage looks for it there ...
 ;)

Thanks Diego for catching the typo.
It's obviously /etc/portage and not /etc/postfix.

- -- 
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng


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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Jory A. Pratt
On 07/23/2012 07:07 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
 Hi.
 
 I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have
 any comments about it?
 The idea is to show this news item on all Gentoo systems. Is that even
 possible / desirable?
 I've talked with both the PR and Docs team before about this change.
 I'll try to help the docs team updating the handbook.
 
 
 Title: Changes on new stages
 Author: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org
 Content-Type: text/plain
 Posted: 2012-07-27
 Revision: 1
 News-Item-Format: 1.0
 
 Starting with catalyst 2.0.10, make.conf and make.profile will be
 moved from /etc to /etc/postfix. Releng build boxes will be updated to
Why are we wanting to use a known packages config location? I am
refering to mail-mta/postfix of course.
 this catalyst version during the next few days. So I expect stages
 built after July 30th to have make.conf and make.profile on /etc/portage.
 
Jory





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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
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On 07/23/2012 08:07 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
 Hi.
 
 I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have
 any comments about it?
 The idea is to show this news item on all Gentoo systems. Is that even
 possible / desirable?
 I've talked with both the PR and Docs team before about this change.
 I'll try to help the docs team updating the handbook.
 
 
 Title: Changes on new stages
 Author: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org
 Content-Type: text/plain
 Posted: 2012-07-27
 Revision: 1
 News-Item-Format: 1.0
 
 Starting with catalyst 2.0.10, make.conf and make.profile will be
 moved from /etc to /etc/postfix. Releng build boxes will be updated to
 this catalyst version during the next few days. So I expect stages
 built after July 30th to have make.conf and make.profile on /etc/portage.
 
 
 
 

A lot of things, app-portage/ufed for example, don't support this yet...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 20:28 -0400, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:

 A lot of things, app-portage/ufed for example, don't support this yet...
 

ufed is on the endanged species list, along with a few other app-portage
utilities. It hasn't been developed or maintained for some time now.  If
it is to survive, It'll need someone to step up and update it. 
-- 
Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org


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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)
On Jul 23, 2012 9:43 PM, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:

 On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 20:28 -0400, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:

  A lot of things, app-portage/ufed for example, don't support this yet...
 

 ufed is on the endanged species list, along with a few other app-portage
 utilities. It hasn't been developed or maintained for some time now.  If
 it is to survive, It'll need someone to step up and update it.

I don't see a bug for this change for ufed.

I can take care of this change in ufed.

 --
 Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org


Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 22:22 -0400, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote:
 
 On Jul 23, 2012 9:43 PM, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:
 
  On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 20:28 -0400, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
 
   A lot of things, app-portage/ufed for example, don't support this
 yet...
  
 
  ufed is on the endanged species list, along with a few other
 app-portage
  utilities. It hasn't been developed or maintained for some time
 now.  If
  it is to survive, It'll need someone to step up and update it.
 
 I don't see a bug for this change for ufed.
 
 I can take care of this change in ufed.
 
  --
  Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org
 
 

Thank you.  Also I believe it does not support /etc/portage/package.use
as well.

Contact Fuzzyray about any change in ufed's status.  He recently started
a thread in the gentoo-portage-dev list to review the status of packages
we maintain.  Ufed being one without a maintainer/developer.
 
-- 
Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org


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