Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-21 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 1/20/2022 16:32, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:10 PM Piotr Karbowski wrote: >> >> Ideally we'd have some way to mark binary packages with new EAPI and >> have FEATURES flag like 'prefer-binary' and go with -bin in case there's >> || ( ) dependencies list, regardless of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-21 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 3:24 PM Georgy Yakovlev wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been approached multiple times with that request, and a lot of > time I see new users completely destroyed by rust build time and disk > space requirements. What does this actually mean? Can we more clearly document the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-21 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 21-01-2022 11:29:54 +0100, Peter Böhm wrote: > Dear Developers, > > I like your goal to make Gentoo more user-friendly but Gentoo is a source > based distribution and I dont like binary versions as a default. My question > is: > > Who has problems with "big" packages like rust or firefox ? >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-21 Thread Peter Böhm
Dear Developers, I like your goal to make Gentoo more user-friendly but Gentoo is a source based distribution and I dont like binary versions as a default. My question is: Who has problems with "big" packages like rust or firefox ? Only User which doesnt know there is a binary version. So, in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-21 Thread Mart Raudsepp
Ühel kenal päeval, N, 20.01.2022 kell 16:32, kirjutas Brian Evans: > On 1/17/2022 6:24 PM, Georgy Yakovlev wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been approached multiple times with that request, and a lot of > > time I see new users completely destroyed by rust build time and > > disk > > space

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-20 Thread Joonas Niilola
On 20.1.2022 23.32, Brian Evans wrote: > > GNOME and Mozilla products still pull in spidermonkey but other users > will have a much reduced requirement for rust. > While Firefox and Thunderbird contain a js engine, no mozilla product depends externally on spidermonkey. I was wondering recently

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 2022-01-20 16:32:30, Brian Evans wrote: > > GNOME and Mozilla products still pull in spidermonkey but other users > will have a much reduced requirement for rust. > Avoiding librsvg used to be difficult because it's required by our GTK icon packages to render PNGs from SVGs. Luckily

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-20 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:10 PM Piotr Karbowski wrote: > > Ideally we'd have some way to mark binary packages with new EAPI and > have FEATURES flag like 'prefer-binary' and go with -bin in case there's > || ( ) dependencies list, regardless of the original order in virtual. > This way everyone

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-20 Thread Brian Evans
On 1/17/2022 6:24 PM, Georgy Yakovlev wrote: Hi, I've been approached multiple times with that request, and a lot of time I see new users completely destroyed by rust build time and disk space requirements. I bet that the pending polkit merge request[1] (which is just about ready and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-20 Thread Toralf Förster
On 1/20/22 22:10, Piotr Karbowski wrote: I and have FEATURES flag like 'prefer-binary' and go with -bin in case there's || ( ) dependencies list, regardless of the original order in virtual. +1 -- Toralf PGP 23217DA7 9B888F45 OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-20 Thread Piotr Karbowski
On 18/01/2022 00.24, Georgy Yakovlev wrote: Hi, I've been approached multiple times with that request, and a lot of time I see new users completely destroyed by rust build time and disk space requirements. WDYT about switching order of rusts in a virtual? RDEPEND="|| (

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-18 Thread Toralf Förster
On 1/18/22 18:13, Sam James wrote: Not that I'm advocating for removing source builds or anything like that, I'm not ? ;) -- Toralf PGP 23217DA7 9B888F45 OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-18 Thread Sam James
> On 17 Jan 2022, at 23:24, Georgy Yakovlev wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been approached multiple times with that request, and a lot of > time I see new users completely destroyed by rust build time and disk > space requirements. > I'll out myself as being one of these people! > WDYT about

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-17 Thread Jaco Kroon
Hi, On 2022/01/18 04:58, Ionen Wolkens wrote: > > Unsure what I like best, I generally agree should default to sources > but I do see new users complaining about building rust every few days. > Not that the step of telling them that rust-bin exists is that bad > (part of the issue is that they

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-17 Thread Joonas Niilola
On 18.1.2022 4.58, Ionen Wolkens wrote: > > Unsure what I like best, I generally agree should default to sources > but I do see new users complaining about building rust every few days. > Not that the step of telling them that rust-bin exists is that bad > (part of the issue is that they don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-17 Thread Georgy Yakovlev
On Mon, 2022-01-17 at 21:58 -0500, Ionen Wolkens wrote: > On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 03:24:23PM -0800, Georgy Yakovlev wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been approached multiple times with that request, and a lot of > > time I see new users completely destroyed by rust build time and > > disk > > space

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-17 Thread Ionen Wolkens
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 03:24:23PM -0800, Georgy Yakovlev wrote: > Hi, > > I've been approached multiple times with that request, and a lot of > time I see new users completely destroyed by rust build time and disk > space requirements. fwiw it may be a bit mitigated by the new desktop stages

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] making rust-bin ordered first in virtual/rust

2022-01-17 Thread Dale
Georgy Yakovlev wrote: > Hi, > > I've been approached multiple times with that request, and a lot of > time I see new users completely destroyed by rust build time and disk > space requirements. > > WDYT about switching order of rusts in a virtual? > > RDEPEND="|| ( > ~dev-lang/rust-${PV}