Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
On Sat, 5 May 2007 16:10:39 -0500 »Q« [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet there are other users around, who think a config file format change that doesnt break anything but produce warnings in the first place is non-critical. I'm another one. I guess someone needs to decide whether the criterion is 'critical' or 'important'; there seems to be confusion about the intent and wording of GLEP 42. Are you a Paludis user who thinks that and who knows what news item delivery looks like? If you aren't, you won't see the news item. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:26:50PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Are you a Paludis user who thinks that Irrelevant, people can think beyond just paludis. and who knows what news item delivery looks like? Irrelevant, what it looks like has nothing to do with whether or not it is critical. Maurice. -- Maurice van der Pot Gentoo Linux Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gentoo.org Creator of BiteMe! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kfk4ever.com pgpabE1MAfeQf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
On Sat, 5 May 2007 23:48:31 +0200 Maurice van der Pot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:26:50PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Are you a Paludis user who thinks that Irrelevant, people can think beyond just paludis. We're discussing a news item that will only be shown to Paludis users. It is the opinion of those users that is relevant here. and who knows what news item delivery looks like? Irrelevant, what it looks like has nothing to do with whether or not it is critical. No no, it matters. The degree to which an unnecessary news item would inconvenience the end user is relevant in making the decision. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): On Sat, 5 May 2007 23:48:31 +0200 Maurice van der Pot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:26:50PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: and who knows what news item delivery looks like? Irrelevant, what it looks like has nothing to do with whether or not it is critical. No no, it matters. The degree to which an unnecessary news item would inconvenience the end user is relevant in making the decision. Eh, something being inconvenient doesn't make the thing any more or less critical, so yeah, it's entirely irrelevant. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
On Sun, 06 May 2007 00:09:37 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): On Sat, 5 May 2007 23:48:31 +0200 Maurice van der Pot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:26:50PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: and who knows what news item delivery looks like? Irrelevant, what it looks like has nothing to do with whether or not it is critical. No no, it matters. The degree to which an unnecessary news item would inconvenience the end user is relevant in making the decision. Eh, something being inconvenient doesn't make the thing any more or less critical, so yeah, it's entirely irrelevant. No, but it affects the impact upon user experience, which is the entire point of the process. This is, after all, about delivering what's best for affected users. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: No, but it affects the impact upon user experience, which is the entire point of the process. This is, after all, about delivering what's best for affected users. No it is not. It is about wether or not this news item would fit into the current set of rules, which it would not. If you do not like the fact that news items are for critical issues only, use something else, or kindly ask for a change for the GLEP. As in the long run, violating self-set rules will for sure not be beneficial for the user experience. There is not reason to start doing so now because of a news item you requested. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
I picked a random mail to reply to: The paludis news item has been approved by me, cause I rock, and commited to the proper location. Assuming the code Zac wrote was actually tested and is turned on, the news item will hit the tree soon. Good Day Sirs. -Alec -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
On Sun, 6 May 2007 00:30:28 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: No, but it affects the impact upon user experience, which is the entire point of the process. This is, after all, about delivering what's best for affected users. No it is not. It is about wether or not this news item would fit into the current set of rules, which it would not. So you're saying that you're attempting to use wording technicalities to prevent an improvement to the user experience? As in the long run, violating self-set rules will for sure not be beneficial for the user experience. The whole point of GLEP 42 is to improve the user experience. The whole point of the word 'critical' is to avoid having GLEP 42 used for items that are not relevant to most targetted users -- that is, messages like There is a new foo USE flag that enables the fancy new foo behaviour. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
On Sat, 5 May 2007 17:27:45 -0500 »Q« [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you aren't, you won't see the news item. I saw it when it was posted here. Because the GLEP 42 process, quite rightly, requires that news items be posted to -dev for review before they're committed. It seems important but not critical. If I've misunderstood, and news items won't be downloaded by non-Paludis users when they sync, then I'd agree that 'important', as determined by the package maintainer(s), is a fine threshold for including them. It's 'downloaded' in the same way that einfo messages in the tree for ebuilds that you don't use are downloaded. It is not displayed to the end user unless they are affected. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
The paludis news item has been approved by me, cause I rock, and commited to the proper location. Council? -- Christian Hartmann http://www.gentoo.org/~ian/ PGP Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x2154E5EE692A4865 Key fingerprint = 4544 EC0C BAE4 216F 5981 7F95 2154 E5EE 692A 4865 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
Christian Hartmann napsal(a): The paludis news item has been approved by me, cause I rock, and commited to the proper location. Council? +1 This should be put on hold until there's some consent and guidelines on how this is supposed to be used. The current 100+ emails threads clearly suggests it's not the case ATM. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24
On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 01:10:48AM +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: Christian Hartmann napsal(a): The paludis news item has been approved by me, cause I rock, and commited to the proper location. Council? +1 This should be put on hold until there's some consent and guidelines on how this is supposed to be used. The current 100+ emails threads clearly suggests it's not the case ATM. The interesting number is 23... only 23 different people commented on the whole thread, and some of them even agree with the news item. So the situation is not that bad, lets rephrase that as: There is still some people that don't like it. - ferdy -- Fernando J. Pereda Garcimartín 20BB BDC3 761A 4781 E6ED ED0B 0A48 5B0C 60BD 28D4 pgpHNh2nUjSs2.pgp Description: PGP signature
