Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started
Duncan wrote: Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:17:58 -0700: On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 09:15:31PM -0500, lnxg33k wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW. They should have turned up on archives as well, but don't seem to have yet. I'm subscribed to the gmane groups and haven't seen anything there yet either, despite the fact that at least one message I xposted, should be on both dev and project, and I see others referencing posting to project but don't see anything on it on gmane at all. Is anybody subscribed by mail getting stuff on project yet? If neither gmane or gentoo's archives are showing anything... I am -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started
Duncan wrote: Is anybody subscribed by mail getting stuff on project yet? If neither gmane or gentoo's archives are showing anything... I've received two mails (I believe that's all) after subscribing sometime wednesday. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started
Duncan wrote: Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:17:58 -0700: On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 09:15:31PM -0500, lnxg33k wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW. They should have turned up on archives as well, but don't seem to have yet. I'm subscribed to the gmane groups and haven't seen anything there yet either, despite the fact that at least one message I xposted, should be on both dev and project, and I see others referencing posting to project but don't see anything on it on gmane at all. Is anybody subscribed by mail getting stuff on project yet? If neither gmane or gentoo's archives are showing anything... I had to send the confirmation email twice then it started sending me emails. WE may have caught it before we should have and something didn't take. May want to dig out the confirm email and send it one more time. I am getting post to -project so it is working. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started
Ryan Hill wrote: These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW. I'm sure everyone is busy and this is already in the works, but updating the list page [1] would be helpful as well -- along with any other documentation that might be appropriate. Is there a concise description of what goes where? I realize that there are the bugs, but something that one can direct posters to may prove useful during the transition phase. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 09:15:31PM -0500, lnxg33k wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW. I'm sure everyone is busy and this is already in the works, but updating the list page [1] would be helpful as well -- along with any other documentation that might be appropriate. I updated the lists page. They should have turned up on archives as well, but don't seem to have yet. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer Council Member E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 pgpuE9Mo256cu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started
Duncan wrote: Philip Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted: To this user since 2003, who plans to install Gentoo in the new machine which I am presently designing, this sounds like a very welcome development. I shall continue to subscribe to -dev , but not to -project. Should I also subscribe to -dev-announce or will its msgs be duplicated on -dev ? You may in fact wish to subscribe to gentoo-project after all, as there are a lot of people (myself included) hoping the traffic on -dev goes down by at least 50%. I'm seriously hoping there'll be few non-dev posts to dev, as while IMO non-devs should be free to post to -dev, it should be development-technical only. I hope peer pressure forces that, with a simple reminder that -project gets everything else, for any violators. IOW, both your post and mine should now be going to -project (I expect to be subscribing shortly). Ideally, there'll be little reason for us to post to dev, tho I hope it remains such that we can. If it works, there'll be little reason to go further with that moderation proposal. So, unless you plan on being read-only on Gentoo discussions, I'd suggest you do subscribe to -project, and strongly consider posting much of what you've posted here in the past, there. That's what I'll be doing. If it fails to work that way by peer pressure, it's likely to end up almost forced that way, and I really hate to see that happen. It looks like what Philip is also asking here is whether he should subscribe to *both* -dev *and* -dev-announce. I am curious about this as well. It depends on whether all messages to -dev-announce are relayed to -dev automatically. If so, then the user would want to subscribe to *one* of the lists, not both. If not, then users would want to subscribe to both lists if they want all traffic. I suspect not is the way it was set up, since clearly all posts to the new -dev-announce will not be technical, and so they should not be relayed to -dev automatically. Anyone know? -Joe P.S. Duncan, +1 on your comments about use of the lists! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duncan wrote: According to the bug on -project (which I was CCed to), both it and dev- announce have been created. New developers are announcements. The primary announcement should therefore go to dev-announce, x-posted to dev, with followups going to -project, since the followups are neither announcements nor dev-technical and thus don't belong on either dev-announce or dev. Similarly here, the additions-removals initial post should go on dev- announce (x-posted to dev, of course, as anything there should be, so those that choose to can read only dev), with replies sent to dev. Additions-removals doesn't get many replies, but last-rites mails are in the same category and do. Replies to last-rites are dev material. ... That's my take on it, anyway. [crossposting to -project to facilitate moving this thread over] As usual, good ideas. One thing I'd say is that just because everything isn't 100% figured it there is no reason not to start using the new lists. And we can all try to be patient if somebody posts to the wrong lists while things are being worked out. I'm sure practices will evolve as makes sense. Let's hope this initiative works out well! If the need for moderation is mooted I think everybody will be happy! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGnlL9G4/rWKZmVWkRAoCzAKCw+FWM05K3bE5vm25zrmtijH2cNwCgztVh x2b59MY1CxMuOHdKWN6zBUQ= =T45h -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Peterson wrote: I suspect not is the way it was set up, since clearly all posts to the new -dev-announce will not be technical, and so they should not be relayed to -dev automatically. Anyone know? I like the idea of auto-crossposting, but for those who need it here is a nice procmail recipe to handle either case: :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache :0 a: /dev/null This maintains an 8k cache of message IDs and tosses any message it has already seen. Then you can send both -dev and -dev-announce to the same folder and get every message once. If you're like me and have 14 email addresses forwarded to the same box the rule is invaluable in general. Note - I'm not responsible if the code above destroys your system or loses mail - understand procmail before you use it... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGnln+G4/rWKZmVWkRAtP9AKCbBVq97mw5LA0CjhaExvn7O8YqGACfY1RQ /3awXBPpZfy0LfNVIaOMXuw= =8oKZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 02:20:46PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache :0 a: /dev/null I'd advise against this bit of procmail hackery. I used to use it, until I ran into some MUAs that did not generate sane message-ids (Lotus Notes, certain versions of Outlook, and some Linux clients at various points in time). Collisions in message-ids are bad! -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer Council Member E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 pgpQ3wQfSUpT4.pgp Description: PGP signature
