Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-14 Thread Richard Freeman
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 14:05 Fri 13 Mar , Michael Higgins wrote: Even if they are, an IRC log is a *terrible* way to document an issue. I agree. So is a mailing-list archive that is also never summarized. It's not the location that makes it a problem, it's the volume of information

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project could realize more of its potential by better integrating people who dont do IRC. I think IRC helps to

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread AllenJB
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project could realize more of its potential by better integrating people who dont do IRC. I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project could realize

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Thilo Bangert
Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org said: On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project could realize more of its potential by better integrating

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne pátek 13 Březen 2009 19:52:59 Alec Warner napsal(a): I think that summarizing IRC is insane. Remember we barely got summaries of council meetings (which are at a fixed time and date) until we got a secretary devoted explicitly to that task. Maybe more teams should take up the meeting

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Thilo Bangert
I think that summarizing IRC is insane. and there is no need for it either. as stated elsewhere much of what is going on on IRC is 'goofing off' - for which IRC is excellent. (heck - i should goof off more often :-) i dont mind the day-to-day work stuff going on on IRC exclusively - but

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Michael Higgins
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:09:04 -0700 Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org wrote: On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project could realize more of its

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 14:05 Fri 13 Mar , Michael Higgins wrote: I believe, rather, that the issue is the 'community' appears more like a 'cabal' when the discussions take place on #IRC and therefore aren't available in public archives. This is kind of like saying: I don't read the Gentoo forums, so

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 19:56 Fri 13 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org said: On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project could

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
memoserv

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread AllenJB
Steev Klimaszewski wrote: memoserv Did you not read a single word of what I just said? memoserv only allows 1-1 communication. I'm talking about methods which allow for 1:many or many:many. memoserv also doesn't solve the bus issue or really provide any permanent record of communication

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread Thilo Bangert
Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org said: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Wednesday 11 of March 2009 19:06:33 Thilo Bangert wrote: my complaint isn't about people using IRC. i object to the way that much of our knowledge, discussion and decision making process appear to have been moved into the temporal black hole that is IRC. realtime communication is an

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-11 Thread Markos Chandras
On Wednesday 11 March 2009 20:06:33 Thilo Bangert wrote: Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org said: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Thilo Bangert
Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close to never. the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 10-03-2009 13:15:36 +0100, Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close to never.

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close to never.

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Lukasz Damentko
2009/3/10 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org: Gentoo as a project could realize more of its potential by better integrating people who dont do IRC. Yes. Let's integrate them by introducing IRC to them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread AllenJB
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread AllenJB
AllenJB wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than