Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-15 Thread Dale
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: [ huge snip ] Each time, you've acted as though the new stance is what you've been arguing from all along, but because you haven't communicated that, it's impossible to reasonably discuss

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:47:16 -0500, Dale wrote: I may end up with a init thingy, which I am currently using. Thing is, the first time it breaks and I can't fix it, I'll install something else. That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate file. If I do something to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:47:16 -0500, Dale wrote: I may end up with a init thingy, which I am currently using. Thing is, the first time it breaks and I can't fix it, I'll install something else. That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:10:55 -0500, Dale wrote: That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the previous kernel knowing it will still work. I tried that. It broke. It didn't boot not even once. Google

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-03-14 9:03 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: *YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP* won't boot properly without /usr on /, or an initramfs. OK, put /usr on /, or an initramfs*ON YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP*. I don't have a problem with that. What gets people really upset is the dog-in-the-manger

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-03-15 5:13 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the previous kernel knowing it will still work. Ok, time to show my ignorance... How would I know if

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the previous kernel knowing it will still work. Ok, time to show my ignorance... How would I know if

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-03-15 9:05 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the previous kernel knowing it will still work.

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Mike Edenfield
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] This has been one of my points too. I could go out and buy me a bluetooth mouse/keyboard but I don't because it to complicates matters. I had a long reply to Walt that I (probably wisely) decided not to send, but the basic point of it is also relevant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:56:12 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Well, you built the kernel, so you should know. Well, since I basically just used a kernel .config that someone else originally set up, copying .config over and running make oldconfig when upgrading over the years, stumbling through

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2012-03-15 9:05 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate file. If I do something to

[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

2012-03-15 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-03-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-03-12, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use anyone else's SMTP server, If you've got a static IP

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote: From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] This has been one of my points too.  I could go out and buy me a bluetooth mouse/keyboard but I don't because it to complicates matters. I had a long reply to Walt that I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-03-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-03-12, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix

Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg on HP Pavilion ZE2026ea

2012-03-15 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 15.03.2012 01:41, schrieb Silvio Siefke: Hello, my neighbor gave me the notebook. First, I installed Sabayon, as a test. Now i has installed direct Gentoo and the Xorg.Server. When i run Xorg -configure and test the config i become error messages. No Screen found and No devices

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 15, 2012 9:50 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: 8 snip That's really not the reason for it. I mean, sure, I think the initial reactions were mostly grumpiness and misinformed outrage, but I don't think the contrariness really *baked* in until people got a twofer of you're

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Jarry
On 14-Mar-12 19:41, ZHANG, Le wrote: So my question is: Can I somehow deliberately trigger kernel panic (or kernel oops)? For panic, echo c /proc/sysrq-trigger After I issued the above mentioned command, my system instantly froze to death. Nothing changed on screen, no kernel panic

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-Mar-12 19:41, ZHANG, Le wrote:    So my question is: Can I somehow deliberately trigger    kernel panic (or kernel oops)? For panic, echo c /proc/sysrq-trigger After I issued the above mentioned command, my system

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Mick
On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 17:02:15 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-Mar-12 19:41, ZHANG, Le wrote: So my question is: Can I somehow deliberately trigger kernel panic (or kernel oops)? For panic, echo c /proc/sysrq-trigger

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 17:02:15 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-Mar-12 19:41, ZHANG, Le wrote:    So my question is: Can I somehow deliberately trigger    

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:25:43 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: Is that Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+(R E I S U B), or is the SysRq key not actually used? Alt+SysReq+{R E I S U B} -- Neil Bothwick Did you know that eskimos have 17 different words for linguist? signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 17:02:15 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-Mar-12 19:41, ZHANG, Le

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Mick
On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 19:36:16 Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 17:02:15 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jarry

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Claudio Roberto França Pereira
Just to be sure, r e i s u b may be input in low case, without shift, right? Like hold Alt + SysRq and type r e i s u b then release Alt + SysRq?

[gentoo-user] Re: How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 15/03/12 21:45, Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: Just to be sure, r e i s u b may be input in low case, without shift, right? Like hold Alt + SysRq and type r e i s u b then release Alt + SysRq? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

2012-03-15 Thread Mick
On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 14:51:10 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-03-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address blocks are blacklisted these days.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 14:51:10 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-03-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps your mail address was

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?

2012-03-15 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Claudio Roberto França Pereira spide...@gmail.com wrote: Just to be sure, r e i s u b may be input in low case, without shift, right? Like hold Alt + SysRq and type r e i s u b then release Alt + SysRq? correct! :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

2012-03-15 Thread Mick
On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 20:07:54 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried using port 587? Comcast should accept relaying on that port IIRC with your customer username/passwd. Researched that, but I ultimately didn't go that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 20:07:54 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried using port 587?  Comcast should accept relaying on that port IIRC with your

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev + xorg + Gnome up and running. :-)

2012-03-15 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 04:17:14AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote Hi, Gentoo. Yes, I've got Gnome going under mdev. Thanks to Mike Edenfield for the tip about needing to configure things in xorg.conf. Here's how I did it: Great. Is that GNOME version 2 or version 3? I'm working on

[gentoo-user] A systemd-only Gentoo system, version 2

2012-03-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
Hi; just to let you guys know that my overlay for having a systemd-only Gentoo machine (no OpenRC, no baselayout, no sysvinit), it's available, sync'ed with the portage tree of March 11 (it took me a few days to update all my machines and to check everything was working OK). You can grab the

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev + xorg + Gnome up and running. :-)

2012-03-15 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 16, 2012 7:59 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 04:17:14AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote Hi, Gentoo. Yes, I've got Gnome going under mdev. Thanks to Mike Edenfield for the tip about needing to configure things in xorg.conf. Here's how I did

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 01:05:12 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the previous kernel knowing it will still