Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 07:36:51PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote > The BIOS will only load a signed bootloader. The signed bootloader > will only load a signed kernel. OK, so I sign LILO. What code is in there that prevents LILO from loading whatever kernel I've compiled? > The signed kernel will.

[gentoo-user] Slot war on my system

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Sullivan
I have been fighting with this for at least three weeks now. Most of the conflicting packages are qt-based, between 4.8.1 (which I want) and 4.7.4 (which I don't want). I have rebuilt every package I can find again 4.8.1, but emerge still wants to install 4.7.4, despite the fact that I've altere

Re: [gentoo-user] Just a heads-up, I think =sys-libs/glibc-2.14.1-r3 is a stinker.

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Dmitry Goncharov wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 11:56:01PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Dmitry Goncharov >> wrote: >> > On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 10:52:12PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: >> >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Michael

Re: [gentoo-user] Just a heads-up, I think =sys-libs/glibc-2.14.1-r3 is a stinker.

2012-06-02 Thread Dmitry Goncharov
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 11:56:01PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Dmitry Goncharov > wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 10:52:12PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > >> Wow. Just wow. This is incredible. > >> > >> Th

Re: [gentoo-user] Just a heads-up, I think =sys-libs/glibc-2.14.1-r3 is a stinker.

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Dmitry Goncharov wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 10:52:12PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >> Wow. Just wow. This is incredible. >> >> This is repeatable for me. >> > >>  * The problem occurred while executing t

Re: [gentoo-user] Just a heads-up, I think =sys-libs/glibc-2.14.1-r3 is a stinker.

2012-06-02 Thread Dmitry Goncharov
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 10:52:12PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > Wow. Just wow. This is incredible. > > This is repeatable for me. > > * The problem occurred while executing the ebuild file named > * 'glibc-2.14.1-r3.ebuild' located in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Just a heads-up, I think =sys-libs/glibc-2.14.1-r3 is a stinker.

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > Kaylee has 10GB of RAM...if that's not enough, I'll be disabling graphite. > (Though I haven't explicitly enabled it, either.) > > But, no I'm not sure, and can't check until Sunday eveningish. Currently at > Penguicon. Wow. Just wow. This is

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:04 PM, BRM wrote: >> From: Michael Mol > [snip] > > In theory that's how key signing systems are suppose to work. > In practice, they rarely implement the blacklists as they are (i) hard to > maintain, > and (ii) hard to distribute in an effective manner. Indeed. Whi

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread BRM
> From: Michael Mol > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Florian Philipp > wrote: >> Am 03.06.2012 01:36, schrieb Michael Mol: >>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:50 PM, pk wrote: On 2012-06-02 22:10, Michael Mol wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> >> [...] >>> >>> The BIOS will only load a signed b

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 03.06.2012 01:36, schrieb Michael Mol: >> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:50 PM, pk wrote: >>> On 2012-06-02 22:10, Michael Mol wrote: >> >> [snip] >> > [...] >> >> The BIOS will only load a signed bootloader. The signed bootloader >> will only

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 03.06.2012 01:36, schrieb Michael Mol: > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:50 PM, pk wrote: >> On 2012-06-02 22:10, Michael Mol wrote: > > [snip] > [...] > > The BIOS will only load a signed bootloader. The signed bootloader > will only load a signed kernel. The signed kernel will...do whatever > you

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage telling me what it's doing

2012-06-02 Thread David Relson
On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:08:39 +0800 Andrew Lowe wrote: > Hi all, > I've just kicked off an "emerge -NuD world" and will now head > out for a while. My emerge has to do, amongst others, gcc, > libreoffice, Firefox & Thunderbird. Now when I get back I'll want to > know where the emerge is up to

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:50 PM, pk wrote: > On 2012-06-02 22:10, Michael Mol wrote: [snip] >> It's also probable that the OS kernel can tell the UEFI BIOS about new >> keys to blacklist. I expect that'll be a recurring thing in the >> Monthly batch of security updates Microsoft puts out. (Makes

Re: [gentoo-user] Rather ugly portage output today...

2012-06-02 Thread hasufell
resync

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread pk
On 2012-06-02 22:10, Michael Mol wrote: > I expect the chief mechanism is at the manufacturer's end; blacklisted > keys get included on shipment. Makes sense. > It's also probable that the OS kernel can tell the UEFI BIOS about new > keys to blacklist. I expect that'll be a recurring thing in th

[gentoo-user] Rather ugly portage output today...

2012-06-02 Thread Mark Knecht
c2stable ~ # emerge -fDuN @world Calculating dependencies \ * ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r2 failed (depend phase): * EXPORT_FUNCTIONS: toolchain_pkg_prerm is not defined * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 541: Called source '/usr/portage/sys-devel/gcc/gcc-4.5.3-r2.ebuild' * gcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:51 PM, pk wrote: > On 2012-06-02 15:12, Florian Philipp wrote: > >> According to [1] it is SHA-256 and RSA-2048. If I understand it >> correctly, there are means to blacklist compromised keys. That's >> why > > Just curious, how is a "compromised" key supposed to be blackl

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread pk
On 2012-06-02 15:12, Florian Philipp wrote: > According to [1] it is SHA-256 and RSA-2048. If I understand it > correctly, there are means to blacklist compromised keys. That's > why Just curious, how is a "compromised" key supposed to be blacklisted? Does the bios contact Microsoft, or is it th

Re: [gentoo-user] weather howto on kde4

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:17:32PM +, James wrote >> Hello, >> >> Ok, so it is hurricane season here in Florida. >> So, I'm looking for a kde4 centric weather tool >> that show radar, forecasts and such. Full screen >> would be keen. > >  Th

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 02.06.2012 15:00, schrieb Michael Mol: > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Florian Philipp wrote: >> Am 02.06.2012 04:26, schrieb William Kenworthy: >>> http://boingboing.net/2012/05/31/lockdown-freeopen-os-maker-p.html >>> >>> and something I had not considered with the whole idea was even boota

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 02.06.2012 04:26, schrieb William Kenworthy: >> http://boingboing.net/2012/05/31/lockdown-freeopen-os-maker-p.html >> >> and something I had not considered with the whole idea was even bootable >> cd's and usb keys for rescue will need th

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage telling me what it's doing

2012-06-02 Thread Alex Schuster
Andrew Lowe writes: > I've just kicked off an "emerge -NuD world" and will now head > out for a while. My emerge has to do, amongst others, gcc, libreoffice, > Firefox & Thunderbird. Now when I get back I'll want to know where the > emerge is up to so, in my ignorance of portage/emerge in gr

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread pk
On 2012-06-02 09:43, Florian Philipp wrote: > You don't have to be "blessed". You could call your distribution > BallmerSucks and still get a certificate. You just have to > register, authenticate and pay the fee. Anything else would earn > them an antitrust law suite they wouldn't forget. ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers

2012-06-02 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 02.06.2012 04:26, schrieb William Kenworthy: > http://boingboing.net/2012/05/31/lockdown-freeopen-os-maker-p.html > > and something I had not considered with the whole idea was even bootable > cd's and usb keys for rescue will need the same privileges ... > > BillK > > > > I find this art

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage telling me what it's doing

2012-06-02 Thread Dale
Andrew Lowe wrote: > Hi all, > I've just kicked off an "emerge -NuD world" and will now head out > for a while. My emerge has to do, amongst others, gcc, libreoffice, > Firefox & Thunderbird. Now when I get back I'll want to know where the > emerge is up to so, in my ignorance of portage/emerge