[gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 10/10/13, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: if something like sshd crashes, you either have a hardware problem or sshd is buggy. Either way, better not be pampered over with a silent service restart. So, restarting a service should not be silent (I think it isn't) and might need better alerts.

[gentoo-user] Re: Where to put advanced routing configuration?

2013-10-11 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: And my counterarguments: 1. The iptables-restore syntax is uglier and harder to read. 2. You get better error reporting calling iptables repeatedly. 3. The published interface will never change; iptables-restore reads an input language whose

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote: that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news. And their dependency on systemd is just the usual madness. But they

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 11/10/2013 09:54, Steven J. Long wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote: that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news. And their dependency on

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:37:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:05:39 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: If *something1* at boot time requires access to *something2* at boot time that isn't available then I would say that *something1* is broken by design not the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:35:58PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: wrong analogy and it goes down from here. Really. Ohh, but they are inspired on YOUR analogy, so guess how wrong yours was. your trolling is weak. And since I never saw anything worth reading posted by you, you are very

[gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 09:17:02PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically for this. It is true that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:36:02 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, now it has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case. Yeah and that's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:16:50 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: initramfs is the new /, for varying values of new since most distros have been doing it that way for well over a decade. Only it's not, since you're responsible for keeping it in sync with the main system. No I'm not, the kernel

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:50:05AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 11/10/2013 09:54, Steven J. Long wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: From that one single action this entire mess of separate /usr

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:42:33AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:36:02 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, now it has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the increasing time needed

[gentoo-user] kde-4.11.2 update-mime-database or is this a new portage comfort?

2013-10-11 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, I might be wrong but I can't remember this has happened earlier. When emerging the new kde-base/kde-meta-4.11.2 (about 250 packages here) portage runs update-mime-database /usr/share/mime many many times. Is this a new nuisance? Thanks for a comment, Helmut

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.11.2 update-mime-database or is this a new portage comfort?

2013-10-11 Thread Douglas J Hunley
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Is this a new nuisance? No, I've seen that for quite some time now -- Douglas J Hunley (doug.hun...@gmail.com) Twitter: @hunleyd Web: douglasjhunley.com G+:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:27:59 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: I don't understand why people keep banging on about Poettering in this, previously finished, thread. You brought up the background, wrt Greg K-H. Regardless of how you feel, I'm not alone in considering Poettering's (and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 11 Oct 2013 12:55:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: While I'm loathe to use words like underhanded, ... pedant Not loathe here but loath or even loth. /pedant (Just to help non-native speakers avoid confusion, you understand.) :-) -- Regards, Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:11:55 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: While I'm loathe to use words like underhanded, ... pedant Not loathe here but loath or even loth. /pedant Ouch! -- Neil Bothwick Mac screen message: Like, dude, something went wrong. signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Steven J. Long sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:37:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: initramfs is the new /, for varying values of new since most distros have been doing it that way for well over a decade. Only it's not, since

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.11.2 update-mime-database or is this a new portage comfort?

2013-10-11 Thread Stefano Crocco
Excerpts from Helmut Jarausch's message of 2013-10-11 13:23:14 +0200: Hi, I might be wrong but I can't remember this has happened earlier. When emerging the new kde-base/kde-meta-4.11.2 (about 250 packages here) portage runs update-mime-database /usr/share/mime many many times. Is

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: PowerColor HD 7850 SCS3 silent

2013-10-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 10.10.2013 21:10, schrieb James: Hello, Well, I'm trying to reseach a 7850 slilent the silent video card on an Gentoo based GA-99FXA-UD3 mobo. I've had Asus Radeons HD 7750 in these mobo, and it is an outstanding bargain workstation. The PowerColor HD 7850 SCS3 seems to be getting

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 11.10.2013 10:28, schrieb Steven J. Long: On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:35:58PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: wrong analogy and it goes down from here. Really. Ohh, but they are inspired on YOUR analogy, so guess how wrong yours was. your trolling is weak. And since I never saw anything

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: PowerColor HD 7850 SCS3 silent

2013-10-11 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: Will the card work anyway? Or should I wait until I get a PCI 3.0 based mobo? it will work. pcie is compatible between revisions. btw, it is PCIE not PCI. Completely different thing. Yeptired PCIe too. thx, James

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server update puzzle

2013-10-11 Thread Philip Webb
131009 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 08:13:41 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: I haven't tried xorg-server without xorg-x11 in a while, but lots of those utilities are useful : xkill, xrandr ... . What are they useful for ? -- I can't do 'man' as they're not installed 'eix' simply shows

[gentoo-user] using lvm without a partition of type linux LVM

2013-10-11 Thread gottlieb
The lvm handbook addendum is no longer and we are instead to use the software raid + lvm2 quick install guide. That guide makes a few partitions of type linux raid and then puts lvm on a mirrored set (more is done). I wasn't using raid so skipped that step and wound up with one partition as a

[gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread walt
On 10/11/2013 01:42 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: I don't like systemd, Sorry if my memory is failing (it surely is) but I don't recall any explanation from you describing your dissatisfaction with systemd. The three happiest months of my life were spent as a student in London in the summer of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/11/2013 09:21 PM, walt wrote: On 10/11/2013 01:42 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: I don't like systemd, Sorry if my memory is failing (it surely is) but I don't recall any explanation from you describing your dissatisfaction with systemd. The three happiest months of my life were spent