Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Greg Woodbury
On 06/04/2014 11:11 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: To see this as only freedom for the developer is part of an attitude shift over the years that only lessens the overall usefulness of Linux and FOSS. It does, in fact,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 05/06/14 08:23, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 04 Jun 2014 23:27:05 Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 01:14, »Q« wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:06:07 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The good news is that the version of upower prior to this decision still works fine and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Mick
On Thursday 05 Jun 2014 08:25:30 Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 08:23, Mick wrote: Are you saying that as things stand it is a matter of time before a gentoo user will have to switch from openrc to systemd, if they want/need to continue using sleep and hibernate? For those tasks you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 05/06/14 12:03, Mick wrote: On Thursday 05 Jun 2014 08:25:30 Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 08:23, Mick wrote: Are you saying that as things stand it is a matter of time before a gentoo user will have to switch from openrc to systemd, if they want/need to continue using sleep and

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:15:22 -0400 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: Thanks everybody for your help. I've made the further suggested changes, but I remain with the three hard blocks. Can you provide the emerge output of the following command? emerge --tree --unordered-diplay -uDNv @world

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 00:27:28 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:15:22 -0400, Dutch Ingraham wrote: I suppose its now time for an uninstall. Kind of disappointing; we are told Gentoo is about choices, and in fact that's true. I made the choice to use a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Mick
On Thursday 05 Jun 2014 10:08:53 Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 12:03, Mick wrote: On Thursday 05 Jun 2014 08:25:30 Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 08:23, Mick wrote: Are you saying that as things stand it is a matter of time before a gentoo user will have to switch from openrc to

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 02:34:49 -0400 Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/04/2014 11:11 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: It is a discussion about technological things, yes, but the art of dealing with other people *is* politics [1]. Politics are also about dealing with power, not alone

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 06:23:38 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that as things stand it is a matter of time before a gentoo user will have to switch from openrc to systemd, if they want/need to continue using sleep and hibernate? For them to have support for sleep and

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, the advocates and implementers made some major political choices when they (apparently deliberately) chose to put the systemd stuff in /usr/lib instead of /lib. It was pointed out that this abrogated

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 05/06/14 14:11, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, the advocates and implementers made some major political choices when they (apparently deliberately) chose to put the systemd stuff in /usr/lib instead of /lib. It

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 05/06/14 13:47, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 06:23:38 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that as things stand it is a matter of time before a gentoo user will have to switch from openrc to systemd, if they want/need to continue using sleep and hibernate?

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Dutch Ingraham
On 06/04/2014 08:02 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 02:15, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 05/06/14 14:39, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 08:02 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: Gentoo doesn't have write access to ::mate-overlay, it's completely unofficial Gentoo developers are just as much users as you are for ::mate-overlay Enough said - Samuli Sorry, but this isn't just

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Dutch Ingraham
On 06/05/2014 05:40 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:15:22 -0400 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: Thanks everybody for your help. I've made the further suggested changes, but I remain with the three hard blocks. Can you provide the emerge output of the following command?

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Dutch Ingraham
On 06/05/2014 08:00 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 14:39, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 08:02 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: Gentoo doesn't have write access to ::mate-overlay, it's completely unofficial Gentoo developers are just as much users as you are for ::mate-overlay

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 05/06/14 15:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/05/2014 08:00 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 14:39, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 08:02 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: Gentoo doesn't have write access to ::mate-overlay, it's completely unofficial Gentoo developers are just as much

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 08:11:31 -0400 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: [nomerge ] mate-base/mate-1.6.0::mate-overlay You are still using the MATE overlay, which wasn't synced up with the latest changes; make layman sync, but if you want to be really sure just remove the overlay from layman

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Mick
On Thursday 05 Jun 2014 12:26:09 Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 13:47, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 06:23:38 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that as things stand it is a matter of time before a gentoo user will have to switch from openrc to

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Dutch Ingraham
Sent:Thursday, June 05, 2014 at 8:18 AM From:Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org To:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject:Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower On 05/06/14 15:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/05/2014 08:00 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 14:39, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Dutch Ingraham
Sent:Thursday, June 05, 2014 at 8:31 AM From:Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org To:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject:Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 08:11:31 -0400 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: [nomerge ] mate-base/mate-1.6.0::mate-overlay You are still using the MATE

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 16:15:11 +0200 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: If you could point me to the proper command set to make the switch, I'd appreciate it. Remove the overlay (`layman -d mate`) and then do a world upgrade. It is as simple as that, as it'll upgrade all those packages to the

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Mick
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[gentoo-user] Re: quick installs on older/embedded hardware

2014-06-05 Thread James
Walter Dnes waltdnes at waltdnes.org writes: You may be interested in buildroot http://buildroot.net/ and http://buildroot.net/about.html It's nominally aimed at cross-compiling for embedded systems, but it looks like it handles just about everything. I'm not a developer, so I don't know

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-05 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 12:24:22AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:59:18 +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: I encrypt my home partition with LUKS and enter a passphrase during boot. But I always wanted to get decryption upon login running, especially because it would

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: Now that’s an interesting idea I haven’t thought of yet. Thanks. My LUKS passphrase is much more secure than my ancient user password anyway *hehe*. Only if it isn't the same. :) In theory neither really need be

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Dutch Ingraham
On 06/05/2014 11:40 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 16:15:11 +0200 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: If you could point me to the proper command set to make the switch, I'd appreciate it. Remove the overlay (`layman -d mate`) and then do a world upgrade. It is as simple as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 05 June 2014 13:58:45 Mick wrote: .., I've keyworded sys-power/upower-0.99.0 for now on one machine and it seems to work fine, without imposing systemd at the moment. :-) I bet you have quite a lot of systemd components lurking in the background though, ready to take over the

[gentoo-user] OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-05 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, I am experimenting with the C code of the ISAAC pseudo random number generator (http://burtleburtle.net/bob/rand/isaacafa.html). Currently the implementation creates (on my embedded linux) 32 bit hexadecimal output. From this I want to create random numbers in the range of [a-Za-z0-9]

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-05 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:56 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I am experimenting with the C code of the ISAAC pseudo random number generator (http://burtleburtle.net/bob/rand/isaacafa.html). Currently the implementation creates (on my embedded linux) 32 bit hexadecimal output. So it's a

[gentoo-user] systemd not shutting down all the way

2014-06-05 Thread covici
Hi. Whenever I issue the command shutdown -h now to shutdown the system, having booted under systemd, the computer never actually shuts down. It does stop some services, but eventually just sits there -- about the last one I see is something about sound card state and that is all, it just waits

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower

2014-06-05 Thread Mick
On Friday 06 Jun 2014 00:15:02 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 05 June 2014 13:58:45 Mick wrote: .., I've keyworded sys-power/upower-0.99.0 for now on one machine and it seems to work fine, without imposing systemd at the moment. :-) I bet you have quite a lot of systemd components