Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo announces total website makeover :-)

2015-04-03 Thread Ivan T. Ivanov
On Thu, 2015-04-02 at 17:25 -0500, »Q« wrote: On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 17:03:15 +0300 Ivan T. Ivanov iiva...@mm-sol.com wrote: On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 01:37 +0200, waben...@gmail.com wrote: This really made my day. :-) https://www.gentoo.org/news/2015/03/31/website-update.html Eeh,

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-03 Thread Stroller
On Thu, 2 April 2015, at 5:24 pm, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: The alternative is what I have now - a 1200 line package.keywords file that tells portage to build half the system 32-bit, when I could care less … Slightly OT, but are there any tools for cleaning out old entries? I

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Strange behaviour of google certificates.

2015-04-03 Thread bitlord
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 11:57:26 +0300 Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 03:52:40 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 08:19:45PM +0300, Gevisz wrote So, I am using Claws Mail that downloads e-mails from several google mail accounts (all

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Strange behaviour of google certificates.

2015-04-03 Thread Gevisz
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 15:57:20 + (UTC) James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Walter Dnes waltdnes at waltdnes.org writes: So, I am using Claws Mail that downloads e-mails from several google mail accounts (all are mine :) and about once or twice in a month get into the situation

Re: [gentoo-user] Hungry firefox

2015-04-03 Thread Stroller
On Thu, 2 April 2015, at 8:28 am, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: ... I've finished reading 'Guardian' (eg) am doing something else, but the fan is working busily, wearing itself out irritating me ; when I kill FF -- however I do it -- everything calms down. No, I'm not wasting my

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-03 Thread Stroller
On Thu, 2 April 2015, at 4:37 pm, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer it this way. I do not want all the nice easy-to read/edit configuration stuff in /etc/portage encrypted some Windows Registry break-alike. What's bad about the Windows registry is that its

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-03 Thread Dale
Stroller wrote: On Thu, 2 April 2015, at 5:24 pm, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: The alternative is what I have now - a 1200 line package.keywords file that tells portage to build half the system 32-bit, when I could care less … Slightly OT, but are there any tools for cleaning out old

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-03 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 09:00:52 +0100, Stroller wrote: Slightly OT, but are there any tools for cleaning out old entries? I could write a script to go through package.keywords line by line and, for packages where the entry is =package-version.1.2.3, delete those lines where a newer version of

Re: [gentoo-user] Hungry firefox

2015-04-03 Thread Philip Webb
150403 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:02:54AM +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 03:28:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: if there's only 1 tab open you kill it, it kills the whole FF job too. Fortunately, we’re not left standing in the rain :

Re: [gentoo-user] multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 03 April 2015 01:30:53 Walter Dnes wrote: Bad news for Virtualbox... == [d531][waltdnes][~] emerge -pv virtualbox These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done!

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Friday, April 03, 2015 5:05:35 AM waben...@gmail.com wrote: Boricua Siempre borikua.197...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I have reading of quantum computing and I want know what operating systems are use in quantum computers. And I read quantum computers I don't think that (yet) there

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Strange behaviour of google certificates.

2015-04-03 Thread Gevisz
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 08:26:12 +0200 bitlord bitlord0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 11:57:26 +0300 Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 03:52:40 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 08:19:45PM +0300, Gevisz wrote So, I am

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-03 Thread Stroller
On Fri, 3 April 2015, at 12:25 am, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: When people you need to communicate with on MSWindows boxes only know how to manage Skype-ware and you don't run a SIP proxy server yourself, your choices reduce somewhat. We'll have to reincarnate Alexander Graham

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 06:58:38 Rich Freeman wrote: I'm not convinced that anybody has proven that quantum behavior is truly non-deterministic But it must be, surely, since it's probabilistic. I don't see how the

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:30 PM, waben...@gmail.com wrote: waben...@gmail.com wrote: with the movement of particles. It is a phenomenon that results from the quantum entanglement of e.g. two electrons and has to do with the nonlocality of such phenomenons. When you measure the quantum

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Purchase and setup of monitor calibration device

2015-04-03 Thread Mick
On Friday 03 Apr 2015 02:57:07 waben...@gmail.com wrote: Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: A wide gamut monitor is a great thing even if you don't need it for softproofing. I shot a lot of colorful photos (e.g. from bugs, blossoms and live concerts with colored limelights). They

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 03 April 2015 06:58:38 Rich Freeman wrote: I'm not convinced that anybody has proven that quantum behavior is truly non-deterministic But it must be, surely, since it's probabilistic. I don't see how the domain of probabilistic behaviour can overlap the domain of deterministic

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread covici
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 03 Apr 2015 17:48:38 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-04-03, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:12:40PM -0300, Francisco Ares wrote Hi,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread covici
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-04-03, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:12:40PM -0300, Francisco Ares wrote Hi, How does one know previously which packages will require 32 bit ABI ? I have two systems (among others) to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread Mick
On Friday 03 Apr 2015 17:48:38 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-04-03, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:12:40PM -0300, Francisco Ares wrote Hi, How does one know previously which packages will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread Mick
On Friday 03 Apr 2015 19:09:23 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 03 Apr 2015 17:48:38 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-04-03, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Friday, April 03, 2015 8:03:12 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 06:58:38 Rich Freeman wrote: I'm not convinced that anybody has proven that quantum behavior is truly non-deterministic But it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 03 April 2015 14:09:23 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: hmmm, one of the things dependent on emul-linux thingies is the C compiler! both 4.8.4 and 4.9, so if I unmerge the emul things, will I still have a C compiler? What does emerge -pv gcc tell you about emul-linux? -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:06:30PM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote On Friday 03 April 2015 06:58:38 Rich Freeman wrote: I'm not convinced that anybody has proven that quantum behavior is truly non-deterministic But it must be, surely, since it's probabilistic. I don't see how the domain of

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 04 April 2015 00:02:02 Peter Humphrey wrote: Its job is to explain show this is how the world works. s/show// -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 17:11:11 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: That's the problem with science in general. The one thing it may never be able to answer is why?. I think that's the crux of the problem with some current

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/04/2015 23:11, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: That's the problem with science in general. The one thing it may never be able to answer is why?. Take gravity as an example. We got really good models for it, we can predict how it influences even light with great accuracy but what are the

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Friday, April 03, 2015 7:30:09 PM Rich Freeman wrote: Well, the quantum mechanic would say that the position of the ball was indeterminate until it was measured. The probability of it being in any particular position is given by some function that agrees with experiment very well. And

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread microcai
on Thursday 02 April 2015 18:33:06,Boricua Siempre wrote: From: Boricua Siempre borikua.197...@gmail.com To: gentoo-user gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Yesterday 06:33:06 Hello I have reading of quantum computing and I want know what operating systems are use in quantum computers.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread covici
Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 14:09:23 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: hmmm, one of the things dependent on emul-linux thingies is the C compiler! both 4.8.4 and 4.9, so if I unmerge the emul things, will I still have a C compiler? What does emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, April 04, 2015 1:57:19 AM Alan McKinnon wrote: On 03/04/2015 23:11, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: That's the problem with science in general. The one thing it may never be able to answer is why?. Take gravity as an example. We got really good models for it, we can predict how

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, April 04, 2015 2:50:37 AM waben...@gmail.com wrote: One thing that I don't understand is, why the fact that gravity can be described by a theory of bended space-time is leading to the assumption, that there really exists such a rubber cloth like space. I think it's because he

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread wabenbau
waben...@gmail.com wrote: We should not forget that the lasers that can be found in CD drives, the magnetic heads in modern hard disks, and also every FET are working with technology that is based on quantum effects. I never Correction: I meant TFET and not FET. -- Regards wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread wabenbau
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: On Friday, April 03, 2015 5:05:35 AM waben...@gmail.com wrote: Boricua Siempre borikua.197...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I have reading of quantum computing and I want know what operating systems are use in quantum

[gentoo-user] PORTDIR_OVERLAY getting ignored.

2015-04-03 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
Hi, I got two overlays that I added manually with PORTDIR_OVERLAY on make.conf and one through layman. Just I few days ago I added a patched ebuild for x11- drivers/ati-drivers to satisfy some dependencies for the multilib update (it doesn't build with the latest vanilla sources and prior to

Re: [gentoo-user] PORTDIR_OVERLAY getting ignored.

2015-04-03 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, April 04, 2015 12:53:53 AM Fernando Rodriguez wrote: Hi, I got two overlays that I added manually with PORTDIR_OVERLAY on make.conf and one through layman. Just I few days ago I added a patched ebuild for x11- drivers/ati-drivers to satisfy some dependencies for the multilib

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: There's an explanation for uncertainty that makes common sense. Let's say I throw you a ball, you can catch it because you take many measurements of it's location and your brain tries to predict it's

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread wabenbau
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: On Friday, April 03, 2015 5:05:35 AM waben...@gmail.com wrote: Boricua Siempre borikua.197...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I have reading of quantum computing and I want know what operating systems are use in quantum

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/04/2015 18:48, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-04-03, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:12:40PM -0300, Francisco Ares wrote Hi, How does one know previously which packages will require 32 bit ABI ?

Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread wabenbau
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015 23:11, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: That's the problem with science in general. The one thing it may never be able to answer is why?. Take gravity as an example. We got really good models for it, we can predict how it influences

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread wabenbau
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 17:11:11 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: That's the problem with science in general. The one thing it may never be able to answer is why?. I think

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Purchase and setup of monitor calibration device

2015-04-03 Thread wabenbau
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: [...] This is also why I put a lot of time and energy into research before I purchase something pricey. For instance, I read in hardware forums and through reviews for many weeks before I finally decided on all components of my PC that I assembled

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, April 04, 2015 12:02:02 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 17:11:11 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: No, it's stronger than that. Einstein showed us how it works. The consequence of having a certain concentration of mass /here/ is to distort space-time just /so/ in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread covici
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015 18:48, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-04-03, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:12:40PM -0300, Francisco Ares wrote Hi, How does one

[OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-03 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 03 April 2015 17:11:11 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: That's the problem with science in general. The one thing it may never be able to answer is why?. I think that's the crux of the problem with some current approaches to physics. Science does not answer the question why?. That isn't

[gentoo-user] Re: multilib - do I need it?

2015-04-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-04-03, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:12:40PM -0300, Francisco Ares wrote Hi, How does one know previously which packages will require 32 bit ABI ? I have two systems (among others) to consider: one is very simple, built using as fewer packages