Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Corbin Bird wrote: > > ( PulseAudio is also being merged into systemd. Think about it. ) Unless the systemd developers have decided to stop targeting the non-desktop use-case, this is pure delirium.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:04 PM, lee wrote: > Andrej Rode writes: >> >>> Or can you explain how unrecognisable names make things easier? >> >> Yeah they make life easier. From your talk you never had a problem >> with eth<0,10> switching names after boot.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: > On 12/19/2016 01:09 PM, Andrej Rode wrote: >> >> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ > > It could be I found a bug. After a reboot it went from the normal > enp0s1 (or

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: >> >> You don't need to be convinced. It's sufficient that I know systemd >> pretty well from the beginning when the Poettering fanboys of Arch

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 20.12.2016 um 05:23 schrieb Andrej Rode: >> >> Yeah they make life easier. From your talk you never had a problem >> with eth<0,10> switching names after boot. Everyone who had them >> appreciates predictable network

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: > > It is even more frustrating that these so-called predictable network > names actually can change on a reboot, it's happened to me more than > once when multiple network cards are detected in a different order. >From Kay

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Marc Joliet wrote: > When people compare systemd unit files to init scripts, they usually > mean *raw* (LSB?) sysvinit scripts (as IIUC Debian use{s,d}), with all > of their ridiculous amounts of boilerplate. The latest Debian init.d skeleton uses

[gentoo-user] where are KDE 5 menu item commands stored ?

I just updated Tatham's puzzles & all my individual settings in the KDE menu were overwritten. I'ld like to back them up to save labor the next time, but I can't find where they're stored. In ~/.config/menus/ there's a file applications-kmenuedit.menu , whose content corresponds to the layout

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > How does a file take up less than a single FS block? An inode has to be > allocated _somewhere_, does it not? > So, the details are going to be filesystem-specific, but typically inodes go into some kind of area of the

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Neil Bothwick writes: > On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:48:29 +0100, lee wrote: > >> > You can't switch any two names because the udev rules are run singly, >> > so at one point you will be trying to rename an interface with a name >> > that is already in use. >> >> I mean more

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 07:56:29PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 21.12.2016 um 14:03 schrieb Rich Freeman: > > I don't agree that you are "forced" > > to use systemd. Maybe you might be forced to use a different browser > > or fork your browser or patch it or stick with an old version and > >

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 07:53:51AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > On 12/20/2016 06:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> We don't have some > >> committee on high pick a winner and tell all the maintainers that they > >> all

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:06:00PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 21/12/2016 21:51, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:20 PM, wrote: > >> > >>> The following USE changes are

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 02:04:05PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:44 PM, wrote: > > Corbin Bird [16-12-21 17:12]: > > The first run of emerge tells me to add the systemd USE flag to dbus. > > I did that and ran into to

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:48:29 +0100, lee wrote: > > You can't switch any two names because the udev rules are run singly, > > so at one point you will be trying to rename an interface with a name > > that is already in use. > > I mean more like renaming them on the fly --- or by having a >

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

lee wrote: > Dale writes: > > I didn't go look at boards I had around here. I went to a major > computer supplier, newegg, and looked at what they had. Go back and > read again what I did and maybe read it more carefully. > > Might I also add, it's more than just me that

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Neil Bothwick writes: > On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 23:11:08 +0100, lee wrote: > >> >> But you already heard of udev rules? I guess I mentioned them >> >> already. They are not so hard to write and they only need to be >> >> written once. >> > >> > It's too late by then, if eth0

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Dale writes: > lee wrote: >> Dale writes: >> >>> lee wrote: Dale writes: > lee wrote: >> Daniel Frey writes: >> >>> On 12/19/2016 10:15 AM, lee wrote: "Walter Dnes"

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 21.12.2016 um 20:31 schrieb Rich Freeman: > OpenSource has nothing to do with whether something costs money. Not > even RMS or ESR would agree with "For OpenSource you don't need to > pay." Ok, now we're getting a little bit closer again. All the rest... I have neither time nor energy to

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Doesn't it strike you as curious Not really. :) > 10s of harmless unit files (text), each less than one fs block? > Setting aside the core of this issue (which everybody has already gone on about ad nauseum,

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On 21/12/2016 21:51, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:20 PM, wrote: >> >>> The following USE changes are necessary to proceed: >>> (see "package.use" in the portage(5) man page for

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On 21/12/2016 21:46, Rich Freeman wrote: > I suggest ignoring this for the moment and see if the info above > resolves your systemd issues. I'm not sure why kwin has the > dependency that it does, but it looks to me like it is set up as a > hard dependency that you can't avoid without modifying

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:20 PM, wrote: > >> The following USE changes are necessary to proceed: >> (see "package.use" in the portage(5) man page for more details) >> # required by

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:20 PM, wrote: > > emerge -t --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y --tree --keep-going > --backtrack=30 --exclude media-video/nvidia-settings --exclude > app-misc/screen --exclude app-misc/ytree --exclude dev-python/sip --exclude >

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On 21/12/2016 21:20, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Rich Freeman [16-12-21 20:12]: >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:44 PM, wrote: >>> Corbin Bird [16-12-21 17:12]: >>> The first run of emerge tells me to add the systemd USE flag to dbus.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > > And this again. You know the difference between OpenSource and ClosedSource? > > You pay for ClosedSource. For OpenSource you don't need to pay. But I > have neither time nor energy to explain you the philosophy

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

Rich Freeman [16-12-21 20:12]: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:44 PM, wrote: > > Corbin Bird [16-12-21 17:12]: > > The first run of emerge tells me to add the systemd USE flag to dbus. > > I did that and ran into to problems I

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:44 PM, wrote: > Corbin Bird [16-12-21 17:12]: > The first run of emerge tells me to add the systemd USE flag to dbus. > I did that and ran into to problems I reported. Ok, I think you left that bit out... And this is why

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 21.12.2016 um 15:28 schrieb Rich Freeman: > udev and systemd operate based on text configuration files that are > declarative in nature. Seldom laughed as much. Heiko Baums

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Am 21.12.2016 um 14:03 schrieb Rich Freeman: > I don't agree that you are "forced" > to use systemd. Maybe you might be forced to use a different browser > or fork your browser or patch it or stick with an old version and > backport security fixes if you want to use it without systemd some > day.

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

Corbin Bird [16-12-21 17:12]: > > On 12/20/2016 10:25 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The master portage spakes again. > > And the novice was *not* enlightened... > > > > > > Total: 17 packages (11 upgrades, 4 new, 1 in new slot, 1 reinstall), Size > > of

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

On 21/12/2016 11:05, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 20 Dec 2016 19:24:51 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Looks like a reasonably straightforward set of blockers. Your core >> problem seems to be that portage wants to install kmail:4 but if I read >> you correctly earlier in the thread, you want to

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/21/2016 08:28 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Corbin Bird wrote: >> The old manual method of configuration is extremely flexible, you can >> get the "who-knows-where-it-came-from-component" to work. The new >> "automagic" of udev / systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 07:53:33 -0600, Corbin Bird wrote: > The ability to separate "udev" code from "systemd" code is going away > very soon. > ( by design, on purpose, etc. ) > So if you want to run "udev" ... you going to be running "systemd". No > choice. > ( PulseAudio is also being merged into

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Corbin Bird wrote: > > The old manual method of configuration is extremely flexible, you can > get the "who-knows-where-it-came-from-component" to work. The new > "automagic" of udev / systemd forget it. At least with script based >

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Corbin Bird wrote: > > On 12/21/2016 06:59 AM, Matthias Hanft wrote: >> Corbin Bird wrote: >>> The "sys-fs/eudev" package is the Gentoo fork of "sys-fs/udev" for >>> people who don't want systemd. >> Ehm... I still use "sys-fs/udev" (not

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On 12/21/2016 06:59 AM, Matthias Hanft wrote: > Corbin Bird wrote: >> The "sys-fs/eudev" package is the Gentoo fork of "sys-fs/udev" for >> people who don't want systemd. > Ehm... I still use "sys-fs/udev" (not eudev) without systemd. > No problems so far. Do I have to worry? > > -Matt > > It is

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage spokes again...

meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > sys-apps/systemd required by (virtual/tmpfiles [...] Probably this is your problem: You have apparently stabilized the testing virtual/tmpfiles (or some other package which requires it). virtual/tmpfiles depends (unless you use systemd) on

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/21/2016 06:09 AM, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Regarding the controversy about systemd etc. > > The problem isn't that systemd is available, or that there exist a > company named Red Had or that there exist a developer named Lennart > Poettering that develops programs. > > The problem is that

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Matthias Hanft wrote: > Corbin Bird wrote: >> >> The "sys-fs/eudev" package is the Gentoo fork of "sys-fs/udev" for >> people who don't want systemd. > > Ehm... I still use "sys-fs/udev" (not eudev) without systemd. > No problems so far. Do I have

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:09 AM, wrote: > > The problem is that an ever increasing amount of programs list systemd > or some of its libs as a depenancy. So it is getting harder and harder > to opt out. > > The situation is similar to the one with udev and variants. Some >

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 12/20/2016 9:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> systemd is primarily a political project, not a technical one. > >> What

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

Corbin Bird wrote: > > The "sys-fs/eudev" package is the Gentoo fork of "sys-fs/udev" for > people who don't want systemd. Ehm... I still use "sys-fs/udev" (not eudev) without systemd. No problems so far. Do I have to worry? -Matt

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 12/20/2016 06:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> We don't have some >> committee on high pick a winner and tell all the maintainers that they >> all have to move from supporting x to supporting y. > > Fair points across the

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On 12/20/2016 10:25 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Hi, > > The master portage spakes again. > And the novice was *not* enlightened... > > > Total: 17 packages (11 upgrades, 4 new, 1 in new slot, 1 reinstall), Size of > downloads: 25097 KiB > Conflict: 4 blocks (4 unsatisfied) > > * Error: The

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/20/2016 9:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> systemd is primarily a political project, not a technical one. > What political benefit do I gain from using and maintaining systemd? Interesting that you

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Regarding the controversy about systemd etc. The problem isn't that systemd is available, or that there exist a company named Red Had or that there exist a developer named Lennart Poettering that develops programs. The problem is that an ever increasing amount of programs list systemd or some

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

Neil Bothwick: > On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 23:11:08 +0100, lee wrote: > > >> But you already heard of udev rules? I guess I mentioned them > > >> already. They are not so hard to write and they only need to be > > >> written once. > > > It's too late by then, if eth0 and eth1 already exist, you cannot

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 05:25:20 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > I have no systemd installed...my Linux is running good ole openrc... > Why all these systemd blockers? I have just updated a couple of openrc systems and there was no attempt to pull in the spawn of the devil[tm] - I'm fairly sure

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

On Tuesday 20 Dec 2016 19:24:51 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Looks like a reasonably straightforward set of blockers. Your core > problem seems to be that portage wants to install kmail:4 but if I read > you correctly earlier in the thread, you want to install kmail-16.12.0. > > Correct? Yes, and I'd

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 02:41:15 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > 161221 Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 05:25:20AM +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote > >> sys-apps/systemd:0= required by (sys-apps/dbus-1.10.12:0/0::gentoo, > >> ebuild scheduled for merge) I have no systemd installed...my