[gentoo-user] Re: update fails, but I don't see why

2020-12-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-13, n952162 wrote: > On 12/13/20 9:18 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >> Nearly 2 months, quite a long time in Gentoo update terms. > > Okay, is the solution then to re-install? That's _a_ solution, and might be less work. But, if you're not going to update more regularly, you're probably

[gentoo-user] Re: update fails, but I don't see why

2020-12-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-13, Dale wrote: > I been using Gentoo for a good long while and most of the time, I still > can't understand what it spits out onto my screen. I know what you mean. I've been running Gentoo on mutliple machines for 20 years now, and I'm still baffled by much of what "emerge" spews. Bu

[gentoo-user] Re: preventing PC sutdown by power button when running

2020-12-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-11, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2020-12-11, Jack wrote: >> On 12/10/20 11:20 PM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> How to prevent PC from shutdown when running when power button is pressed? >>> Is it a function in a BIOS or OS? > >> You could always u

[gentoo-user] Re: preventing PC sutdown by power button when running

2020-12-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-11, Jack wrote: > On 12/10/20 11:20 PM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> How to prevent PC from shutdown when running when power button is pressed? >> Is it a function in a BIOS or OS? > You could always unplug the wire from the power button to the motherboard. That seems like the sim

[gentoo-user] Re: Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.

2020-12-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-10, Michael wrote: > >> There's no need for the two-step process: >> >> $ convert scan1.png scan2.png scanned.pdf > > There was some vulnerability in ghostscript[1] which disabled the above > conversion - but I can't find the BGO number. I thought it had been patched > since then, b

[gentoo-user] Re: new install for a new mainboard?

2020-12-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-10, J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, December 10, 2020 4:23:09 PM CET n952162 wrote: >> I need a new mainboard. What will happen if I boot my existing system >> on it? >> >> If it would come up, what would need to be (re)emerged, as a minimum? >> >> TIA > > Unless you really reduce

[gentoo-user] Re: new install for a new mainboard?

2020-12-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-10, n952162 wrote: > I need a new mainboard.  What will happen if I boot my existing system > on it? It depends on how "alike" your new and old mainboard are. Everything might work 100%, or it might crash in the very early stages of the kernel starting, or anything in-between. > If

[gentoo-user] Re: Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.

2020-12-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-10, Michael wrote: > On Thursday, 10 December 2020 08:27:33 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote: [...] >> I use gscan2pdf, although it sans to many more file formats. Scan to 2 >> page PDF and your printer can print in duplex. >> >> Gscan2pdf has lots of nice features, I used to use it with an AD

[gentoo-user] Re: Determine what's keeping Python 3.7 around?

2020-12-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-07, Jack wrote: > I agree with this one. I often find emerge fails, telling me the > reason, and then once I've fixed that (usually adding a different > package or changing some use flags) it fails in exactly the same way > for a different package. Oh yes, on a bad day you can

[gentoo-user] Re: Determine what's keeping Python 3.7 around?

2020-12-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-06, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2020-12-06, Arve Barsnes wrote: > >> If you have not completed the world update yet, all those are probably >> still installed as 3.7 packages. You could try updating all those to >> 3.8 only first, if you have not done the world

[gentoo-user] Re: Determine what's keeping Python 3.7 around?

2020-12-06 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-06, Arve Barsnes wrote: > On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 21:25, Grant Edwards wrote: >> > emerge -cpv python:3.7 will show you what is keeping 3.7 >> >> Something's wrong. >> >> That lists 43 packages. I checked the first few, and none of them re

[gentoo-user] Re: Determine what's keeping Python 3.7 around?

2020-12-06 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-06, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:01:27 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> I updated one of my systems a day or two ago, and Python 3.7 went away >> as expected. Today, I'm updating another system and it is rebuilding >> tons of stuff to

[gentoo-user] Determine what's keeping Python 3.7 around?

2020-12-06 Thread Grant Edwards
I updated one of my systems a day or two ago, and Python 3.7 went away as expected. Today, I'm updating another system and it is rebuilding tons of stuff to target python 3.8 instead of 3.7, but it's keeping 3.7 and even wants to install a _new_ package -- and build it for Python 3.7: [...] [n

[gentoo-user] Re: What replaced python-updater?

2020-12-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-12-04, tastytea wrote: > On 2020-12-04 17:39-0000 Grant Edwards > wrote: >> [...] >> >> I used to use 'python-updater' to take care of that, but it's >> gone. What are we supposed to use in its place? >> >> Are we just supposed

[gentoo-user] What replaced python-updater?

2020-12-04 Thread Grant Edwards
Yesterday when I did my usual update/clean, Python 3.7 was removed and a bunch of stuff was re-installed for Python 3.8. However, there are still things (e.g. markdown) that I've had to manually re-emerge to get them rebuilt for 3.8. I used to use 'python-updater' to take care of that, but it's go

[gentoo-user] Re: sendmail configuration

2020-11-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-26, antlists wrote: >[...] > So a fully-functional sendmail installation is the most powerful, > flexible mta there is out there. The snag is, most people only use 10% > of that power, but nobody can agree on which 10% is the most important. After trying to think of reasons to use se

[gentoo-user] Re: sendmail configuration

2020-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-26, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > Thank you for input. Maybe that is why it is so hard to find good > explanation/howto how to configure it. The config file looks very > simple, that is I decided to try it. Ah, that's another devine mystery. I believe that the small size of a send

[gentoo-user] Re: sendmail configuration

2020-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-26, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > I've always used postifx but I want to try sendmail this time. Appropos of nothing, might we ask why? I've heard there are things that you can do with sendmail that you can't do with postfix or exim or qmail, but the descriptions of what sorts of "t

[gentoo-user] Re: duplicate gentoo system - errors

2020-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-25, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 19:43:04 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> > Rename one of the directories and see if you can still boot :) >> >> That may not be a valid test. If grub is using a blocklist to locate >> secondary f

[gentoo-user] Re: duplicate gentoo system - errors

2020-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-25, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 13:30:46 -0600, Dale wrote: > >> >> If I can get rid of the plain grub, that would free up some space. >> >> The grub2 directory isn't as big but still wouldn't hurt. >> > GRUB2 uses /boot/grub here, I suspect /boot/grub2 might be the sur

[gentoo-user] Re: Grub and multiple distros on LVM [was duplicate gentoo system ...]

2020-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-25, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 16:04:26 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> > I'm not sure chainloading would work as that requires a drive >> > definition from which to load the boot sector. >> >> I thought that&#

[gentoo-user] Re: Grub and multiple distros on LVM [was duplicate gentoo system ...]

2020-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-25, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 15:20:04 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> > "GRUB 2 can read files directly from LVM and RAID devices." >> >> That was certainly the behavior described [...] >> >> But that

[gentoo-user] Re: Grub and multiple distros on LVM [was duplicate gentoo system ...]

2020-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-25, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 08:53:02 +, Wols Lists wrote: > >> >>> I suspect not as GRUB will be reading the menu files and GRUB >> >>> doesn't read from LVM volumes. >> >> >> >> Then what does grub's "lvm" module do, and how does it read the >> >> distro's .c

[gentoo-user] Re: Grub and multiple distros on LVM [was duplicate gentoo system ...]

2020-11-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-24, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 19:04:20 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> In grub, does chainloading an LVM virtual partition work the same as >> chainloading a "real" partition? > > I suspect not as GRUB will be reading the menu

[gentoo-user] Grub and multiple distros on LVM [was duplicate gentoo system ...]

2020-11-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-24, antlists wrote: > >> Cool, I'll have to read up on using volumes for that. How far back in >> time can you go before you get to distros that would have problems? > > How old is LVM? It's been around for ages, I think. We regularly run into customers running distros that came out 10

[gentoo-user] Re: duplicate gentoo system - errors

2020-11-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-24, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 16:38:59 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> > But actual partitions? >> >> Yes. Each with a separate Linux distro installed. >> >> Perhaps you can do that with a volume manager instead of par

[gentoo-user] Re: duplicate gentoo system - errors

2020-11-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-24, Jack wrote: > I only have two or three such distros I use for testing, but I have > each in a VirtualBox machine. For me, spinning up a VM is easier > than a real reboot. I don't trust VMs when testing drivers for PCI cards or applicatoins that use raw Ethernet. -- Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: duplicate gentoo system - errors

2020-11-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-24, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 15:01:35 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> > Can you imagine an fstab with 22 partitions? Doesn't bear thinking >> > about. >> >> Yes. I have one with 12 and often wish it had more. >&

[gentoo-user] Re: duplicate gentoo system - errors

2020-11-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-24, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 09:20:52 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> Can you imagine an fstab with 22 partitions specified with UUIDs? >> Doesn't bear thinking about. > > Can you imagine an fstab with 22 partitions? Doesn't bear thinking > about. Yes. I have one

[gentoo-user] Re: python2 really really really gone? Scripts all broken?

2020-11-15 Thread Grant Edwards
seems to me that writing sed scripts would be a huge waste of time -- and I'm somebody who _does_ write (short) sed scripts occasionally. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I was making donuts at

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook

2020-11-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell wrote: > On Sat, 14 Nov 2020, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:30:51 >> From: Grant Edwards >> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: gento

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook

2020-11-14 Thread Grant Edwards
mean above. What is a "distribution ISO"? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! WHO sees a BEACH BUNNY at sobbing on a SHAG RUG?! gmail.com

[gentoo-user] Re: console size/display anomaly

2020-10-30 Thread Grant Edwards
asn't documented anywhere (I stumbled across the info in a home-theater forum). On my other LG, that doesn't work (there appears to be no way to eliminate overscan). -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Is it clean in other

[gentoo-user] Re: [O/T of O/T] winmodem?

2020-10-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-29, Michael wrote: > Heh! I recall horror stories of compiling linmodem to get it to work and > every other version would fail to initialize the modem leaving me with no > Internet connection. Yes, the good old days, you know - when sometimes in > the > evenings we would actually

[gentoo-user] Re: youtube-dl and the conf file.

2020-10-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-28, Michael wrote: > I had an old desktop which during a lightning storm ended up with a > blown PSU and a blown winmodem. The winmodem was unrepairable, but > the PSU survived following the replacement of a single capacitor. All Winmodems were 100% unrepairable fresh off the assembl

[gentoo-user] Re: tried desktop profile

2020-10-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-14, antlists wrote: > On 14/10/2020 19:58, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2020-10-14, antlists wrote: >> >>> Does your mobo support NVMe drives? Just be aware my mobo is crap in >>> that it says it supports two graphics cards, NVMe, etc, but if yo

[gentoo-user] Re: tried desktop profile

2020-10-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-14, antlists wrote: > Does your mobo support NVMe drives? Just be aware my mobo is crap in > that it says it supports two graphics cards, NVMe, etc, but if you stick > an NVMe in the second graphics card is disabled, or if you use both the > NVMe slots you lose a couple of SATA port

[gentoo-user] Re: [SOLVED] Kernel build failing on new install

2020-10-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-14, Walter Dnes wrote: > That's what "make oldconfig" is about. Copy over the previous kernel > .config and use that as a starting point. Any additional ethernet > drivers in the new kernel are defaulted to enabled. I've been doing "make oldconfig" for almost 30 years. I've never s

[gentoo-user] Re: [SOLVED] Kernel build failing on new install

2020-10-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-13, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:13:34 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > >> > Try disabling CONFIG_IKHEADERS in your kernel config. >> > I have it disabled on my system. >> >> Thanks. That fixed my problem. It seems that deleting stuff in >> "make menuconfig" is 90% of t

[gentoo-user] Re:

2020-10-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-09, Jude DaShiell wrote: > If I have a desktop on a machine I go with mate when possible since I > never liked unity when it was part of gnome. I ought to check in on lxqt > since that's what Linus Torvalds was using last time I read about that. I installed lxqt on a recent Ubuntu s

[gentoo-user] Re: sda=stroke boot parameter

2020-10-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-09, Ashley Dixon wrote: > Especially with `grub-mkconfig`, you don't have to manually edit > configuration > files at all, which doesn't seem to be an option for users of LILO. I always had a lot of problems getting grub-mkconfig to work. The documentation about various options

[gentoo-user] Re: sda=stroke boot parameter

2020-10-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-09, Neil Bothwick wrote: > I'd say you're better off using a UEFI boot manager. If you use systemd, > add the boot USE flag to get its boot manager, formerly gummiboot. If you > don't use systemd you can install the boot manager on its own as > systemd-boot. Or try rEFInd. All are in p

[gentoo-user] Re: new USB question

2020-10-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-05, Grant Edwards wrote: [on a B450 tomahawk] > It appears that I have a total of 6 USB hubs on the motherboard: > > $ lsusb > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub > Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub > Bus 006 D

[gentoo-user] Re: new USB question

2020-10-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-05, Jack wrote: > Still not Gentoo specific, but I'm still trying to figure out if my > motherboard (MSI B350 Tomahawk) is doing something funny with the > USB connections. In theory, there should be USB3 connections both > on the back IO panel and on the front case ports. I don't k

[gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-02, Dale wrote: > I dunno. I tested the installer thing when it was first announced > years ago. It failed to install. It kept getting hung somewhere but > with no output that I could find, I didn't know what was wrong or > what to fix. Isn't that how automated installers are supposed

[gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-02, Dale wrote: > I was talking about the Gentoo installer. Huh. Didn't know there was one. Is this it? https://blogs.gentoo.org/chrisadr/2018/05/02/installer-a-basic-gentoo-system-anyone-can-install/

[gentoo-user] Re: installation problems

2020-10-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-10-02, Rich Freeman wrote: > As far as the minimal CD goes, you an just create mountpoints, but > really I'm not sure why anybody uses it in the first place. I usually use it. When I've tried to use systemrescuecd, I usually ran into issues: you couldn't follow the handbook step-by-step

[gentoo-user] Re: Is there any Gentoo User webinar? or something like that?

2020-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-09-30, Dale wrote: > I've found that syncing and updating once a week is generally good > enough. Generally, a "eix-sync && emerge -uaDN world" does the job. What Dale wrote above is important. Gentoo works much better with frequent updates. I update several times a week (though I agre

[gentoo-user] Re: ftdi_sio disconnecting immediately

2020-09-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-09-29, Grant Edwards wrote: > I'm having a peculiar problem with ftdi_sio. With one particular > device, on one particular computer, the ftdi_sio driver always > disconnects immedately (5-10ms) after connecting: Never mind... The Digilent application (waveforms) instal

[gentoo-user] Re: ftdi_sio disconnecting immediately

2020-09-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-09-29, Grant Edwards wrote: > Other FTDI devices work fine on this machine. The Digilent device > above works fine on other Gentoo machines with the same kernel > version. Booting the "problem" machine from systemrescuecd and plugging in the Digilent device also works

[gentoo-user] ftdi_sio disconnecting immediately

2020-09-29 Thread Grant Edwards
I'm having a peculiar problem with ftdi_sio. With one particular device, on one particular computer, the ftdi_sio driver always disconnects immedately (5-10ms) after connecting: [ 368.917946] usb 1-7: new high-speed USB device number 8 using xhci_hcd [ 369.070822] usb 1-7: New USB device found

[gentoo-user] Re: pdftk stopped working

2020-09-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-09-14, Ashley Dixon wrote: > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 01:00:53AM -0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> $ pdftk >> Done. Input errors, so no output created. > > Have you tried running with increased verbosity? Perhaps these "input errors" > will be

[gentoo-user] pdftk stopped working

2020-09-13 Thread Grant Edwards
Some time in the past month or two, pdftk has completely stopped working. No matter what file I point it to or what commands I try, I always get the message $ pdftk Done. Input errors, so no output created. If the file doesn't actually exist, I do get the expected error: $ pdftk asdfasf

[gentoo-user] Re: How to switch from rust to rust-bin?

2020-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-09-08, Neil Bothwick wrote: > Hmm, I hadn't realised there were so many virtuals, I just looked and > saw 186 of them. Yea, I think they've been proliferating the past few years. I've recently noticed quite a few times when "emerge -auvND world" does nothing other than install a virtual

[gentoo-user] Re: How to switch from rust to rust-bin?

2020-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-09-08, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:12:38 -0500, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: > >> > It seems odd that when there's multiple ways to satisfy a >> > virtual there's now way to "configure" which one you want for when >> > that virtual get's pulled in. Maybe I just haven't ru

[gentoo-user] Re: How to switch from rust to rust-bin?

2020-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-09-08, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: > On Tue, 2020-09-08 at 19:56 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> Ah, so I should have installed rust-bin _without_ adding it to the >> world file so that when the last package requiring rust gets removed, >> rust will get removed by

[gentoo-user] Re: How to switch from rust to rust-bin?

2020-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-09-08, Neil Bothwick wrote: > There is a way, uninstall rust. virtual/rust requires only one of rust > and rust-bin, if both are installed it will take rust meaning rust-bin > gets depcleaned. If only one is installed, the virtual will take that. If > neither is install, the virtual will

[gentoo-user] Re: How to switch from rust to rust-bin?

2020-09-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-09-07, Andreas K Hüttel wrote: > That works, but pretty please try something else first! > > # make sure source-based rust is not in the world file > emerge --deselect dev-lang/rust > > emerge -1 dev-lang/rust-bin > > It should be as easy as that. *If* all dependencies are fulfilled by >

[gentoo-user] Re: OT - looking for someone to fix PHP code - paid job

2020-08-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-29, Skippy wrote: > At least I'm 99% sure that's what is going on. Since I don't know PHP I > can hardly be certain about it. The beauty of PHP is that even if you _do_ know PHP you can hardly be certain about it. After decades of people trying (and failing) to invent languages tha

[gentoo-user] Re: Determine cause of xorg-server downgrade?

2020-08-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-27, Grant Edwards wrote: > How do you determine the cause of a downgrade? > > Today I did "emerge --sync" and "emerge -auvNDt world" with (I think) > no configuration changes since the last update a couple days ago, and > now emerge wants to downgrad

[gentoo-user] Determine cause of xorg-server downgrade?

2020-08-27 Thread Grant Edwards
How do you determine the cause of a downgrade? Today I did "emerge --sync" and "emerge -auvNDt world" with (I think) no configuration changes since the last update a couple days ago, and now emerge wants to downgrade xorg-server from 1.20.9 to 1.20.8-r1: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebu

[gentoo-user] Re: Configure sshd to listen on specific interfaces?

2020-08-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-27, Victor Ivanov wrote: >> I want it to listen on 127.0.0.1 and on whatever IP addresses are >> assigned to two specified interfaces. > As far as I'm aware, I don't think OpenSSH allows for listening on a > specific interface. I'm pretty sure that's the case. > You can, however, wo

[gentoo-user] Configure sshd to listen on specific interfaces?

2020-08-27 Thread Grant Edwards
I'm trying to figure out how to conifgure openssh sshd to listen on specific interface(s). I know how to configure it to listen on a specific IP address, but what do you do when using DHCP and don't know what IP address is going to be assigned. I do _not_ want it to listen on 0.0.0.0. I want it

[gentoo-user] Re: meson build woes

2020-08-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-24, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> >> - Unmerge all python and python-setuptools versions > >> > No, don't do that!!! >> > Unmerging all python version will leave you with a non-working portage. > >> Indeed -- I've done that. It's not fun. You certainly won't do it a >> second time.

[gentoo-user] Re: meson build woes

2020-08-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-24, Franz Fellner wrote: > On Mo 24 Aug 2020 11:21:10 +0200, Hogren wrote: >> Maybe try to : >> >> - Unmerge all python and python-setuptools versions > > No, don't do that!!! > Unmerging all python version will leave you with a non-working portage. Indeed -- I've done that. It's no

[gentoo-user] Time to switch back to AMD?

2020-08-18 Thread Grant Edwards
For several decades, I was a loyal AMD customer. But the last time I upgraded my home desktop (2013), AMD just didn't seem to have anything that could complete with the Core-i3/5 CPUs with integrated graphics. The Intel HD-2500 GPU was plenty fast enough for everything I did back then, so I went w

[gentoo-user] Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-17, Wols Lists wrote: > Can't you tell your server to forward all outgoing mail to your ISP's > SMTP server? That way, you don't have to worry about all the spam > issues, and it *should* just pass through. With many ISPs that will only work if you want the e-mail to come from your IS

[gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application

2020-08-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-15, Sid Spry wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> [...] >> >> > iptables -A OUTPUT -o -m owner --uid-owner plex -j DROP >> >> I can confirm, that did indeed work as desired. >> >> Even with the kernel

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables wiki page questions

2020-08-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-14, tastytea wrote: > rc-service runs the same service scripts that are in /etc/init.d/, so > it's the same. However the manpage of rc-service(8) mentions that > “Service scripts could be in different places on different systems”, so > the most compatible way would be to use rc-service

[gentoo-user] iptables wiki page questions

2020-08-14 Thread Grant Edwards
I read through the iptables wiki page this afternoon to refresh my memory on how you save rules so they get load on startup. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Iptables There are some inconsitencies which I'm curious about. ### "rc-service iptables" vs. "/etc/init.d/iptables" Most of the page's exa

[gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application

2020-08-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-14, Grant Edwards wrote: > I think this should work, but I need to rebuild my kernel with the > iptables "owner" extension enabled: > > iptables -A OUTPUT -o -m owner --uid-owner plex -j DROP I can confirm, that did indeed work as desired. Even with the ker

[gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application

2020-08-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-14, Alexey Mishustin wrote: > Isn't this classic option suitable? > > groupadd noinet > usermod -a -G noinet > iptables -A OUTPUT -i -m owner --gid-owner noinet -j DROP >and calling not > Plex >but > sg noinet Plex >(or whatever name the binary has) Thanks for the sugges

[gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application

2020-08-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-13, Sid Spry wrote: > Sorry, I meant go out of your way to select more than one > interface. I'm genuinely confused anyone would ever do that let > alone Plex. I assume they're using some sort of SSDP library that by default spews on all available interfaces. > Yes, you're right (as

[gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application

2020-08-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-13, Sid Spry wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> How does one hide a network interface from a badly-written application? >> >> I'm using Plex Media Server as a DVR, it it seems to have been written >> by Windows programme

[gentoo-user] How to hide a network interface from an application

2020-08-13 Thread Grant Edwards
How does one hide a network interface from a badly-written application? I'm using Plex Media Server as a DVR, it it seems to have been written by Windows programmers who assume that your computer exists for no purpose other than running their program and their program alone. It spews multicast an

[gentoo-user] Re: More emerge auto-bloat

2020-08-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-10, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2020-08-10, Grant Edwards wrote: > >>> Much of it appears to be texlive, which is now apparently required >>> by the 'atril' pdf viewer. [...] >> >> That's the result of a questionable decision by A

[gentoo-user] Re: More emerge auto-bloat

2020-08-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-10, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> Much of it appears to be texlive, which is now apparently required by >> the 'atril' pdf viewer. [...] > > That's the result of a questionable decision by Atril maintainers. > It's since been fixed, and the &#x

[gentoo-user] Re: More emerge auto-bloat

2020-08-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-10, Grant Edwards wrote: > [ usual whining ] > Forty-nine new packages?! > > Much of it appears to be texlive, which is now apparently required by > the 'atril' pdf viewer. Why does it suddenly require texlive? > There's a 'dvi' use flag w

[gentoo-user] Re: More emerge auto-bloat

2020-08-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-10, Grant Edwards wrote: > Much of it appears to be texlive, which is now apparently required by > the 'atril' pdf viewer. Why does it suddenly require texlive? > There's a 'dvi' use flag which understandably would require tex stuff, > but that f

[gentoo-user] More emerge auto-bloat

2020-08-10 Thread Grant Edwards
I tried doing my usual emerge -auvND world this morning (I update once or twice a week). This morning emerge says it needs to install 49 new packages. Forty-nine new packages?! Much of it appears to be texlive, which is now apparently required by the 'atril' pdf viewer. Why does it suddenly req

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-01, Grant Taylor wrote: > Static IP address has some very specific meaning when it comes to > configuring TCP/IP stacks. Specifically that you enter the address to > be used, and it doesn't change until someone changes it in the > configuration. Right. That's what I was talking a

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-31, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 7/29/20 9:41 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> Aren't all IPv6 addresses static? > > No. > > SLAAC and DHCPv6 are as dynamic as can be. Nit: DHCPv6 can be (and usually is) dynamic, but it doesn't have to be. It's entirely possible to have a static IP address tha

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-31, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 7/30/20 5:38 PM, Ralph Seichter wrote: >> I'd be interested to hear from users who still need to pay extra >> for IPv6. > > I'd be willing, if not happy, to pay a reasonable monthly fee to be able > to get native IPv6 from my ISP. > > But it's 2020 and my

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-31, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 7/29/20 5:23 PM, james wrote: >> Free static IPs? > > Sure. > > Sign up with Hurricane Electric for an IPv6 in IPv4 tunnel and request > that they route a /56 to you. It's free. #hazFun If I had a week with nothing to do, I'd love to try to get something

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-29, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday, 29 July 2020 13:59:11 BST Grant Edwards wrote: > >> Pricing isn't based on cost. Pricing is based on what people are >> willing to pay. People are willing to pay extra for a static IPv6 >> address, therefore sta

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-29, Wols Lists wrote: > ? I can understand a fee for a static IP4 - they've run out, > after all, and people are fighting over them ... > > Don't ISPs get a 2^64 allocation of IP6 *network* addresses? They > should just allocate one to your router and that's that! Still, I > wouldn

[gentoo-user] Re: dns/bind-tools 9.14 -> 9.16 pulling in 17 new dependencies?!

2020-07-22 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-22, Walter Dnes wrote: >> >> Users who do not wish to use logind interface or have rare hardware >> >> that does not use KMS and because of that, require root privileges >> >> to operate, can manually re-enable 'suid' and disable 'elogind' USE >> >> flags in order to preserve the previ

[gentoo-user] Re: dns/bind-tools 9.14 -> 9.16 pulling in 17 new dependencies?!

2020-07-22 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-22, Ashley Dixon wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 02:29:48AM -0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> Yes, that's what I did months ago, and everything worked fine with >> Xorg using the "suid" flag and without consolekit or elogind -- until >> this morning,

[gentoo-user] Re: dns/bind-tools 9.14 -> 9.16 pulling in 17 new dependencies?!

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-22, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 04:00:21PM -0000, Grant Edwards wrote >> >> Before I can try that, I apparently have to enable the elogind USE >> flag because of somthing else that changed since I sync'ed yesterday. >> >> Tha

[gentoo-user] Re: dns/bind-tools 9.14 -> 9.16 pulling in 17 new dependencies?!

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-21, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2020-07-21, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 15:47:25 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >>> Sync, re-emerge bind-tools and try again. The man pages are now >>> downloaded as a separate tarball, so Sphinx a

[gentoo-user] Re: dns/bind-tools 9.14 -> 9.16 pulling in 17 new dependencies?!

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-21, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 15:47:25 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> Sync, re-emerge bind-tools and try again. The man pages are now >> downloaded as a separate tarball, so Sphinx and deps are not longer >> needed. > > And lo! 17 packages were removed by depclean!

[gentoo-user] Re: dns/bind-tools 9.14 -> 9.16 pulling in 17 new dependencies?!

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-21, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:08:16 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> > These are build-only dependencies so "emerge --depclean" can remove >> > them after you install bind-tools. >> >> Except it doesn't.

[gentoo-user] Re: dns/bind-tools 9.14 -> 9.16 pulling in 17 new dependencies?!

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-20, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > These are build-only dependencies so "emerge --depclean" can remove them > after you install bind-tools. Except it doesn't. I did an "emerge --depclean" after updating bind-tools, and sphinx et al were not removed. -- Grant

[gentoo-user] dns/bind-tools 9.14 -> 9.16 pulling in 17 new dependencies?!

2020-07-20 Thread Grant Edwards
During my regular update, I see that net-dns/bind-tools is upgrading from 9.14 to 9.16, and that's triggering the installation of _17_ new packages (all apparently related to sphinx and Babel). Is this sort of dependency bloat really necessary? The "doc" flag for bind-tools is not set, so why doe

[gentoo-user] Re: Hard drive screws

2020-07-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-18, Dale wrote: > Thing is, the first bag of screws I ordered didn't have any size > info only that they should fit a hard drive, SDD and possibly a > laptop, if there is any difference between a hard drive/SDD going in > a laptop as opposed to a desktop. "Laptop" drives are tradition

[gentoo-user] Re: SSH xterm not working properly during install

2020-07-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-08, Walter Dnes wrote: > Today I decided to ssh into the install, and cut + paste stuff into > an ssh xterm into the install. This went flying along really fast > until I went to emerge after having updated make.conf. I got a slew > of weird errors. I've been installing Gentoo that

[gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-06-23, Sid Spry wrote: > Thanks for these. I do have a general question: has SMART actually shown > anyone predictive capability? Sort of. It noticed the initial failures and e-mailed me a warning long before I would have otherwised noticed. I lost a couple files, but without SMART I p

[gentoo-user] Re: Memory cards and deleting files.

2020-06-22 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-06-22, Neil Bothwick wrote: > I'd run sync as well, just to be sure, although umount shouldn't return > until everything is flushed to the card. I suppose it's possible that the data _had_ been flushed to the card, but was still the card's write buffers and had not been committed to flas

[gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-15 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-06-15, Grant Edwards wrote: > backblocks was designed to do what you want. ... > babblocks would be a good start. Geez, I can't even mistype "badblocks" consistently... -- Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-15 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-06-15, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I finally bought a 8TB drive.  It is used but they claim only a > short duration.  Still, I want to test it to be sure it is in grade > A shape before putting a lot of data on it and depending on it.  I > am familiar with some tools already.  I know about SM

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