Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread gottlieb
On Wed, Jul 31 2013, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: > I apologize for all the questions, but one still remains. > > The wiki says to >emerge --ask --changed-use --deep @world > > One could make small additions/changes, but there is a large one that is > not clear. Should you have --update ? Thank y

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:43:55 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: > The wiki says to >emerge --ask --changed-use --deep @world > > One could make small additions/changes, but there is a large one that is > not clear. Should you have --update ? --changed-use will re-emerge any packages affected by

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > Thank you Canek and Graham. > > I apologize for all the questions, but one still remains. > > The wiki says to >emerge --ask --changed-use --deep @world > > One could make small additions/changes, but there is a large one that is > not clear. Should

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread gottlieb
Thank you Canek and Graham. I apologize for all the questions, but one still remains. The wiki says to emerge --ask --changed-use --deep @world One could make small additions/changes, but there is a large one that is not clear. Should you have --update ? allan

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31 2013, Graham Murray wrote: > >> Canek Peláez Valdés writes: >> >>> The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, >>> which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Perhaps it's >>> CONFIG_PROTECT'd, but any

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Graham Murray wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés writes: > >> The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, >> which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Perhaps it's >> CONFIG_PROTECT'd, but anyway sys-fs/udev and sys-apps/systemd i

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread gottlieb
On Wed, Jul 31 2013, Graham Murray wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés writes: > >> The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, >> which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Perhaps it's >> CONFIG_PROTECT'd, but anyway sys-fs/udev and sys-apps/systemd install >> th

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Graham Murray
Canek Peláez Valdés writes: > The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, > which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Perhaps it's > CONFIG_PROTECT'd, but anyway sys-fs/udev and sys-apps/systemd install > the udev binary in different directories, so the scr

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-30 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM, wrote: > First and foremost, thank you Canek. > > On Tue, Jul 30 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, wrote: >> >>> I am a gnome-3 user, who wants to continue with gnome-3. >>> [ I described my current state--beginning of wiki ]

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-30 Thread gottlieb
First and foremost, thank you Canek. On Tue, Jul 30 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, wrote: > >> I am a gnome-3 user, who wants to continue with gnome-3. >> [ I described my current state--beginning of wiki ] > > Sounds reasonable. > >> [ I asked about /etc/mt

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-29 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, wrote: > I am a gnome-3 user, who wants to continue with gnome-3. I understand > now that to move to 3.8 requires I move from openRC to systemd and am > trying to accomplish that now. I have so far only done the easy first > steps. > > 0. I always back up my us

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-29 Thread gottlieb
On Mon, Jul 29 2013, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: > I am a gnome-3 user, who wants to continue with gnome-3. I understand > now that to move to 3.8 requires I move from openRC to systemd and am > trying to accomplish that now. I have so far only done the easy first > steps. OK. Walt proved this wro

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-29 Thread gottlieb
I am a gnome-3 user, who wants to continue with gnome-3. I understand now that to move to 3.8 requires I move from openRC to systemd and am trying to accomplish that now. I have so far only done the easy first steps. 0. I always back up my user files and /etc daily 1. I confirmed that my syst

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Jul 27, 2013 4:44 PM, "walt" wrote: > > First hint: it's a mess -- don't do it on a critical machine. > (My main machine is ~amd64 and that's why I'm doing it on virtual > ~amd64 machines first.) > > The new gnome-shell demands that systemd be installed, even if you > don't intend to use it. >

[gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-27 Thread walt
First hint: it's a mess -- don't do it on a critical machine. (My main machine is ~amd64 and that's why I'm doing it on virtual ~amd64 machines first.) The new gnome-shell demands that systemd be installed, even if you don't intend to use it. The latest systemd conflicts with udev because the u