Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-08-03 Thread Grant
Anyway, the point of all this is to prevent an HD failure from stopping the system.  An SSD is much safer, right? SSDs are still relatively new technology, so predicting failure rates is less reliable. What's wrong with using RAID-1? It's proven technology and totally resistant to a single

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-31 Thread Grant
I read on this list that the kernel needs *some* swap, even just a tiny amount, to function properly.  Is that true?  If so, do you think it would be OK to put this tiny amount of swap on a cheap SSD? I have no swap and things work just fine. (8 gigs of RAM) Obviously, running without swap

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-31 Thread Grant
Anyway, the point of all this is to prevent an HD failure from stopping the system.  An SSD is much safer, right? SSDs are still relatively new technology, so predicting failure rates is less reliable. What's wrong with using RAID-1? It's proven technology and totally resistant to a single

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Stroller
On 29 Jul 2009, at 19:15, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:20:53 -0700, Grant wrote: Anyway, the point of all this is to prevent an HD failure from stopping the system. An SSD is much safer, right? SSDs are still relatively new technology, so predicting failure rates is less

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Stroller
On 29 Jul 2009, at 16:20, Grant wrote: ... Anyway, the point of all this is to prevent an HD failure from stopping the system. An SSD is much safer, right? As I told you before, I used RAID-1 of two conventional olde spinning- platter hard-drives, using a hardware-RAID SATA controller. An

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Grant
Is cost-savings the advantage of using CF instead of SSD?  It sounds like it might be wiser to spend a little more (low capacity SSD drives are pretty cheap now) and have a real storage device that doesn't need an adapter and is much faster, can swap, etc. I assumed that you're looking at

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:17:26 -0700, Grant wrote: OK, that's right. How can I find out if 4GB RAM (the current amount) is enough? From what I understand of how Linux handles memory, it will fill it up as quickly as possible, and then free it as necessary. This makes it difficult to

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Grant
Anyway, the point of all this is to prevent an HD failure from stopping the system.  An SSD is much safer, right? SSDs are still relatively new technology, so predicting failure rates is less reliable. What's wrong with using RAID-1? It's proven technology and totally resistant to a single

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Grant
OK, that's right.  How can I find out if 4GB RAM (the current amount) is enough?  From what I understand of how Linux handles memory, it will fill it up as quickly as possible, and then free it as necessary.  This makes it difficult to determine how much RAM is necessary from watching top.

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 30 July 2009 14:17:26 Grant wrote: OK, that's right. How can I find out if 4GB RAM (the current amount) is enough? From what I understand of how Linux handles memory, it will fill it up as quickly as possible, and then free it as necessary. This makes it difficult to determine

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Alex Schuster
Grant writes: From what I understand of how Linux handles memory, it will fill it up as quickly as possible, and then free it as necessary. This makes it difficult to determine how much RAM is necessary from watching top. I read on this list that the kernel needs *some* swap, even just a

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Grant
OK, that's right.  How can I find out if 4GB RAM (the current amount) is enough?  From what I understand of how Linux handles memory, it will fill it up as quickly as possible, and then free it as necessary.  This makes it difficult to determine how much RAM is necessary from watching top.

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Alex Schuster
Grant writes: Sounds good. Will commenting the swap line out of /etc/fstab and rebooting disable swap? Yes. Or, temporarily, the 'swapoff' command. In order to resize the root partition to include the swap paritition, I'll have to boot to LiveCD right? I think it might work without. If

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Grantemailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I read on this list that the kernel needs *some* swap, even just a tiny amount, to function properly. Is that true? If so, do you think it would be OK to put this tiny amount of swap on a cheap SSD? I have no swap and things

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 30 July 2009 15:47:18 Grant wrote: Not true. I have machines with zero swap and they work just fine. I am utterly unconcerned with out of memory conditions as whether you have swap or not, when virtual memory runs out, either way you have a horrible cockup that is hard to fix.

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 30 July 2009 14:47:18 Grant wrote: Sounds good. Will commenting the swap line out of /etc/fstab and rebooting disable swap? I'd also recompile the kernel with CONFIG_SWAP=n. -- Rgds Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Grant
Sounds good.  Will commenting the swap line out of /etc/fstab and rebooting disable swap? Yes. Or, temporarily,  the 'swapoff' command. In order to resize the root partition to include the swap paritition, I'll have to boot to LiveCD right? I think it might work without. If you have

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:57:52 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If your partition table is laid out with the swap partition directly after the root partition, you can delete both, recreate the root partition the same size as both together. The new root partition must start where the old one did.

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 30 July 2009 17:45:30 Grant wrote: Sounds good. Will commenting the swap line out of /etc/fstab and rebooting disable swap? Yes. Or, temporarily, the 'swapoff' command. In order to resize the root partition to include the swap paritition, I'll have to boot to LiveCD

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Grant
I read on this list that the kernel needs *some* swap, even just a tiny amount, to function properly.  Is that true?  If so, do you think it would be OK to put this tiny amount of swap on a cheap SSD? I have no swap and things work just fine. (8 gigs of RAM) Obviously, running without swap

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Grantemailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I read on this list that the kernel needs *some* swap, even just a tiny amount, to function properly. Is that true? If so, do you think it would be OK to put this tiny amount of swap on a cheap SSD? I have no swap and things

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-30 Thread Grant
I read on this list that the kernel needs *some* swap, even just a tiny amount, to function properly.  Is that true?  If so, do you think it would be OK to put this tiny amount of swap on a cheap SSD? I have no swap and things work just fine. (8 gigs of RAM) Obviously, running without swap

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-29 Thread Nevynxxx
Grant schrieb: Aren't CF cards much slower than SSD drives and HD drives? How about using SD cards, like Dell/HP do in VMWare ESXi servers? I'm just in th middle of speccig a server that will have zero local storage, except the SD card that holds ESXi, all storage needs are handled by

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-29 Thread Grant
Is cost-savings the advantage of using CF instead of SSD?  It sounds like it might be wiser to spend a little more (low capacity SSD drives are pretty cheap now) and have a real storage device that doesn't need an adapter and is much faster, can swap, etc. I assumed that you're looking at

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-29 Thread Florian Philipp
Grant schrieb: Is cost-savings the advantage of using CF instead of SSD? It sounds like it might be wiser to spend a little more (low capacity SSD drives are pretty cheap now) and have a real storage device that doesn't need an adapter and is much faster, can swap, etc. I assumed that you're

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:20:53 -0700, Grant wrote: Anyway, the point of all this is to prevent an HD failure from stopping the system. An SSD is much safer, right? SSDs are still relatively new technology, so predicting failure rates is less reliable. What's wrong with using RAID-1? It's proven

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-28 Thread Grant
... What if I bought a low-price/low-capacity SSD drive for each of these systems, installed the system essentials on them, and used my existing high-capacity HD drives for data storage?  Would each system keep running if the HDs died?  If so, I think that would offer as good or better system

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Jul 2009, at 18:52, Grant wrote: ... Is cost-savings the advantage of using CF instead of SSD? It sounds like it might be wiser to spend a little more (low capacity SSD drives are pretty cheap now) and have a real storage device that doesn't need an adapter and is much faster, can swap,

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-27 Thread Stroller
On 26 Jul 2009, at 11:46, Grant wrote: ... What if I bought a low-price/low-capacity SSD drive for each of these systems, installed the system essentials on them, and used my existing high-capacity HD drives for data storage? Would each system keep running if the HDs died? If so, I think that

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-27 Thread Grant
... What if I bought a low-price/low-capacity SSD drive for each of these systems, installed the system essentials on them, and used my existing high-capacity HD drives for data storage?  Would each system keep running if the HDs died?  If so, I think that would offer as good or better system

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-27 Thread Florian Philipp
Grant schrieb: ... What if I bought a low-price/low-capacity SSD drive for each of these systems, installed the system essentials on them, and used my existing high-capacity HD drives for data storage? Would each system keep running if the HDs died? If so, I think that would offer as good

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-27 Thread Florian Philipp
Florian Philipp schrieb: Where I work, we have a System-on-a-Chip (SoC) NAS. Albeit being the second most powerful machine we have in our server room (quad core CPU, lots of RAM, three redundant power supplies and a good dozen HDDs), the OSS itself resides on a removable card not bigger than

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-27 Thread James Ausmus
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Grant schrieb: snip You don't need to buy SSD drives - instead you could use CF cards and a cheap adaptor. These are commensurate in capacity cost with USB flash drives (4gig, maybe 16gig?), but CF

[gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?

2009-07-26 Thread Grant
I have two local systems that need to be reliable and also have a large storage capacity. The thing is, the data storage doesn't need to be reliable, I just need the systems to keep running. The data on the systems is backed up and losing it wouldn't be the end of the world because of the