[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-22 Thread Harry Putnam
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: On Tuesday 20 April 2010 15:53:01 Harry Putnam wrote: I think you all are missing something... sendmail is better documented than any of the other pretenders. One has to understand what the various MTAs out there were built to do, and what

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-22 Thread Harry Putnam
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: Internet mail is quite complex, yes. This statement is the source of the confusion surrounding sendmail. Internet mail is not complex, it is stunningly simple: mail comes in, look up where it should go, send it there [...] Egad, I had no

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 20 April 2010 15:53:01 Harry Putnam wrote: I think you all are missing something... sendmail is better documented than any of the other pretenders. One has to understand what the various MTAs out there were built to do, and what their feature list is: sendmail comes from ancient

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 20 April 2010 17:51:12 Harry Putnam wrote: Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com writes: On 2010-04-20, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: About all the snipes concerning hacking sendmail.cf... I'm sure you are all aware that any hacking needs to happen in sendmail.mc...

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-04-21, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 20 April 2010 15:53:01 Harry Putnam wrote: I think you all are missing something... sendmail is better documented than any of the other pretenders. One has to understand what the various MTAs out there were built to do,

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-20 Thread Harry Putnam
I think you all are missing something... sendmail is better documented than any of the other pretenders. Now understand, that I am easily the dullest knife in the drawer on this list even though by unix/linux standards I'm fairly long in the tooth having started my computing skills in 1996 and

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-20 Thread Harry Putnam
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com writes: On 2010-04-20, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: About all the snipes concerning hacking sendmail.cf... I'm sure you are all aware that any hacking needs to happen in sendmail.mc... then let m4 sort out sendmail.cf. IOW, sendmail has a

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-20 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-04-20, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com writes: On 2010-04-20, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: About all the snipes concerning hacking sendmail.cf... I'm sure you are all aware that any hacking needs to happen in sendmail.mc...

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-20 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-04-20, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: About all the snipes concerning hacking sendmail.cf... I'm sure you are all aware that any hacking needs to happen in sendmail.mc... then let m4 sort out sendmail.cf. IOW, sendmail has a configuration file so incomprehensible that the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-20 Thread Stroller
On 20 Apr 2010, at 14:53, Harry Putnam wrote: I think you all are missing something... sendmail is better documented than any of the other pretenders. ... Unless, I'm terribly misinformed, sendmail is still the most commonly used mta in the unix world of servers. I would be surprised if it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-20 Thread Stroller
On 19 Apr 2010, at 22:50, Mick wrote: ... The problem is that you'll spend an hour or two setting it all up, it'll work, you'll never touch it again. Then, two years later something will require you to reconfigure it and there will be no way on this earth that you will remember what you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-19 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-18 6:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick wrote: I was reminded that I do not understand sendmail enough for my liking. Does anybody? flame-protect That's why Wietse invented postfix. /flame-protect -- Charles

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-19 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-04-19, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-18 6:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick wrote: I was reminded that I do not understand sendmail enough for my liking. Does anybody? flame-protect That's why Wietse invented postfix.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-19 Thread Mick
On Monday 19 April 2010 15:49:34 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-04-19, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-18 6:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick wrote: I was reminded that I do not understand sendmail enough for my liking. Does anybody?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 19 April 2010 16:49:34 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-04-19, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-18 6:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick wrote: I was reminded that I do not understand sendmail enough for my liking. Does anybody?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 19 April 2010 21:07:47 Mick wrote: On Monday 19 April 2010 15:49:34 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-04-19, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-18 6:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick wrote: I was reminded that I do not understand

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-19 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-04-19, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 19 April 2010 15:49:34 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-04-19, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-18 6:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick wrote: I was reminded that I do not

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-19 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-04-19, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 19 April 2010 16:49:34 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-04-19, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-18 6:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick wrote: I was reminded that I do not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-19 Thread Mick
On Monday 19 April 2010 20:19:16 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 19 April 2010 16:49:34 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-04-19, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-18 6:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick wrote: I was reminded that I do not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-19 Thread Mick
On Monday 19 April 2010 20:20:27 you wrote: On Monday 19 April 2010 21:07:47 Mick wrote: On Monday 19 April 2010 15:49:34 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-04-19, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-18 6:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-18 Thread Harry Putnam
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com writes: For the purpose of posterity: The way to set up a fall back host is to use confFALLBACK_SMARTHOST to define a fall back smtp server. Thanks Mick... Instead of asking for help, you ended up giving help. Did someone answer your question privately?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-18 Thread Mick
On Sunday 18 April 2010 16:14:50 Harry Putnam wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com writes: For the purpose of posterity: The way to set up a fall back host is to use confFALLBACK_SMARTHOST to define a fall back smtp server. Thanks Mick... Instead of asking for help, you ended up

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-18 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:06:44 Mick wrote: I was reminded that I do not understand sendmail enough for my liking. Does anybody? -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 April 2010 00:51:39 Harry Putnam wrote: comp.mail.sendmail Thank you Harry, I will. Just thought that there may be a Gentoo user who's already tried this - plus this is my favorite list alright. ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 April 2010 00:51:39 Harry Putnam wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com writes: Hi All, Is there a (native) way to configure sendmail to send messages via a secondary smtp account, if dor some reason the primary ISP smtp is down, without some bespoke DIY script? Not

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-16 Thread Harry Putnam
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com writes: Hi All, Is there a (native) way to configure sendmail to send messages via a secondary smtp account, if dor some reason the primary ISP smtp is down, without some bespoke DIY script? Not give you the runaround, and there may well be some sendmail