Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-11 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Dienstag, 7. April 2020, 01:38:01 CEST schrieb Michael: > On Monday, 6 April 2020 22:15:20 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 22:02:04 +0100, antlists wrote: > > > > This isn't strictly true, the ESP must be vfat, but you can still > > > > have an ext? /boot. > > > > > > This isn't

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-07 Thread William Kenworthy
On 7/4/20 5:15 am, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 22:02:04 +0100, antlists wrote: This isn't strictly true, the ESP must be vfat, but you can still have an ext? /boot. This isn't true at all - you've got the cart before the horse. The original (U)EFI spec comes from Sun, I believe,

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-07 Thread antlists
On 07/04/2020 00:38, Michael wrote: Perhaps older UEFI specifications allowed Mac-baked filesystems, or perhaps Apple were/are doing their own thing. The current UEFI specification *requires* a FAT 12/16/32 filesystem type on an ESP partition to boot an OS image/bootloader from - see section '1

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-06 Thread Michael
On Monday, 6 April 2020 22:15:20 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 22:02:04 +0100, antlists wrote: > > > This isn't strictly true, the ESP must be vfat, but you can still > > > have an ext? /boot. > > > > This isn't true at all - you've got the cart before the horse. The > > original (

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 22:02:04 +0100, antlists wrote: > > This isn't strictly true, the ESP must be vfat, but you can still > > have an ext? /boot. > > This isn't true at all - you've got the cart before the horse. The > original (U)EFI spec comes from Sun, I believe, with no vfat in sight. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-06 Thread antlists
On 05/04/2020 13:52, Neil Bothwick wrote: This isn't strictly true, the ESP must be vfat, but you can still have an ext? /boot. This isn't true at all - you've got the cart before the horse. The original (U)EFI spec comes from Sun, I believe, with no vfat in sight. A standards-compliant fact

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-06 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 5 April 2020 20:39:47 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 05 Apr 2020 19:08:24 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > I wonder, would there ever be any valid reason to have the E.S.P.\ > > > and /boot as different partitions ? > > > > I found I had to do so. I couldn't get Neil's prererred l

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 05 Apr 2020 19:08:24 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I wonder, would there ever be any valid reason to have the E.S.P.\ > > and /boot as different partitions ? > > I found I had to do so. I couldn't get Neil's prererred layout to work. > I forget the details now, but I only managed to

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 5 April 2020 13:56:55 BST Ashley Dixon wrote: > I wonder, would there ever be any valid reason to have the E.S.P.\ and /boot > as different partitions ? I found I had to do so. I couldn't get Neil's prererred layout to work. I forget the details now, but I only managed to build a usab

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 13:56:55 +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote: > > This isn't strictly true, the ESP must be vfat, but you can still > > have an ext? /boot. However, it generally makes sense to have the ESP > > and /boot as the same partition, that's how I generally do it. either > > way, the handbook app

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Michael
On Sunday, 5 April 2020 13:56:55 BST Ashley Dixon wrote: > On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 01:52:52PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > This isn't strictly true, the ESP must be vfat, but you can still have an > > ext? /boot. However, it generally makes sense to have the ESP and /boot > > as the same partiti

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 01:52:52PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > This isn't strictly true, the ESP must be vfat, but you can still have an > ext? /boot. However, it generally makes sense to have the ESP and /boot > as the same partition, that's how I generally do it. either way, the > handbook appe

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 10:28:50 +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote: > > Here /boot changes from fat32 to ext2. > > Since this is my first U/EFI system I am a little confused. > > Good morning Meino, > > For U.E.F.I., the boot partition (/dev/sda2) must be FAT32. In your > fstab file, this is written as (t

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread tuxic
On 04/05 10:46, Michael wrote: > Hi Meino, > > On Sunday, 5 April 2020 09:17:41 BST tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > a new morning... :) > > > > Being on the way to install/setup the base system (mostly getting > > stage3 uptodate) I came accross kinda inconsistency -- or at least > > i

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Michael
Hi Meino, On Sunday, 5 April 2020 09:17:41 BST tu...@posteo.de wrote: > Hi, > > a new morning... :) > > Being on the way to install/setup the base system (mostly getting > stage3 uptodate) I came accross kinda inconsistency -- or at least > it looks like for me. > > The system uses a 3T harddi

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 5 April 2020 10:21:32 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Saturday, 4 April 2020 20:59:56 BST tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > I have some problems to understand, whether I understood... > > > > In the german language the "'s are often used to express the > > > > opposite of what is written in wo

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 10:17:41AM +0200, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > Here /boot changes from fat32 to ext2. > Since this is my first U/EFI system I am a little confused. Good morning Meino, For U.E.F.I., the boot partition (/dev/sda2) must be FAT32. In your fstab file, this is written as (the last

[OT] Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday, 4 April 2020 20:59:56 BST tu...@posteo.de wrote: > I have some problems to understand, whether I understood... > > In the german language the "'s are often used to express the > opposite of what is written in words. For example: > > What a "nice" weather it is...! > > will say:

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-05 Thread tuxic
On 04/04 03:56, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 4/4/20 11:34 AM, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi, > > > I am currently preparing a new harddisc as home for my new Gentoo > > system. > > > > Is it possible to recreate exactlu the same pool of > > applications/programs/libraries etc..., which my cu

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread Dale
John Covici wrote: > On Sat, 04 Apr 2020 14:33:21 -0400, > Dale wrote: >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> Your world file should do that for the Gentoo stuff, with limitations. >>> It assumes you have nothing on the system that was created outside of >>> normal portage/emerge. It would probably duplicate th

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/4/20 11:34 AM, tu...@posteo.de wrote: Hi, Hi, I am currently preparing a new harddisc as home for my new Gentoo system. Is it possible to recreate exactlu the same pool of applications/programs/libraries etc..., which my current system have - in one go? Baring cosmic influences, I

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread John Covici
On Sat, 04 Apr 2020 14:33:21 -0400, Dale wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > Your world file should do that for the Gentoo stuff, with limitations. > > It assumes you have nothing on the system that was created outside of > > normal portage/emerge. It would probably duplicate the latest kernel > >

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread tuxic
On 04/04 12:30, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:05 PM wrote: > > > > On 04/04 07:25, Ashley Dixon wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 07:34:59PM +0200, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am currently preparing a new harddisc as home for my new Gentoo > > > > syste

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:05 PM wrote: > > On 04/04 07:25, Ashley Dixon wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 07:34:59PM +0200, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am currently preparing a new harddisc as home for my new Gentoo > > > system. > > > > > > Is it possible to recreate exactlu t

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 09:05:09PM +0200, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > This gives me the chance to use a new set of cpuflags given by > cpuid2cpuflags, too. > (by the way: This command show far less flags than diplayed via the > command 'lscpu'is cpuid2cpuflags uptodate?) I assume it's up-to-date

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread tuxic
On 04/04 07:25, Ashley Dixon wrote: > On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 07:34:59PM +0200, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am currently preparing a new harddisc as home for my new Gentoo > > system. > > > > Is it possible to recreate exactlu the same pool of > > applications/programs/libraries etc.

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread Mark Knecht
Meino, I think as your question was posed, yes, copying the world file is enough to get the applications into the chroot built and working. Your command looks reasonable but I'll let someone who runs Gentoo these days make suggestions for improvement on that. (I no longer run Gentoo much. Just i

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > Your world file should do that for the Gentoo stuff, with limitations. > It assumes you have nothing on the system that was created outside of > normal portage/emerge. It would probably duplicate the latest kernel > tree but wouldn't build it, and wouldn't copy old kernels that

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 07:34:59PM +0200, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > Hi, > > I am currently preparing a new harddisc as home for my new Gentoo > system. > > Is it possible to recreate exactlu the same pool of > applications/programs/libraries etc..., which my current > system have - in one go? > >

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread tuxic
Hi Mark, thank you for answering my question! :) (only to check whether I have understood correctlu) Stuff I build outside of emerge/portage should not be in the world-file...correct? I will transfer the kernel related stuff from my current system to the new root (currenly chrooted). Ah! By the

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread Mark Knecht
Your world file should do that for the Gentoo stuff, with limitations. It assumes you have nothing on the system that was created outside of normal portage/emerge. It would probably duplicate the latest kernel tree but wouldn't build it, and wouldn't copy old kernels that aren't in portage if you s