Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Saturday 16 August 2014 16:34:23 Poison BL. wrote: > I have friends that vary between liking and tolerating Gnome 3, KDE, > etc. and I can honestly say the only meaningful factor in deciding > what they run has always boiled down to taste. Sit down with each for > a week or three (as your main system, you won't get a real feel for > them if you're not trying to get real work done through them), get > them working as close to your preferences as you can, then judge which > a) took the least work to get there and b) most closely match what you > actually want from them. As an added bonus, poke around for a third > thing to score based on... which gives you the best set of features > you *weren't* looking for but *will* use. Sound advice. Personally I won't touch any of the gnome variants because of the way they hide everything they can from the user. Reminds me of Windows with its we- know-better-than-you attitude. And the last time I looked they wouldn't let me have a clear desktop, insisting on littering it with icons I never use. As Joshua says, though, it's all a matter of taste. -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
在 2014年8月16日 星期六 21:52:04，Сергей 写道： > I use KDE, because it has biggest amount of functions KDE Connect, > KRunner and Amarok have no match in GTK-world. If they had, I would > use Xfce. Yeah, KRunner is what makes me even unable to use Windows. Also, kdevelop is the best IDE ever created, even Visual Studio has no match if you don't Visual AssistX installed. If you really adopted to KDE, no other DE will ever be in you sight.
RE: [gentoo-user] Intermittent USB device failures
From: Volker Armin Hemmann [mailto:volkerar...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 7:53 PM > Am 14.08.2014 um 03:52 schrieb Mike Edenfield: > > I've recently taken an old Windows XP system and rebuilt it to run Gentoo. Since > > then, I've been having issues using any type of USB input device (which is > > particularly bad, since it has no PS/2 input ports). > > > > After some indeterminate period of time, the input device simply stops responding. > > Typically, I can use the console for a few days at a time before the keyboard dies, > > but if I load up a GUI and start using the mouse it takes less than a few hours. > > I'm fairly sure this problem is USB-related, since I believe I've eliminated > > everything downstream of that: I've tried using both evdev and legacy mouse and > > keyboard drivers in both the kernel and X and all of them work the same way. evtest > > shows no activity from the device once it breaks, nor do the legacy /dev driver files. > > > > Most notably, removing and re-plugging the device doesn't register as a device > > attachment. If, for example, I take a working USB mouse and swap USB ports, I get this: > > > > [ 1219.418050] usb 2-8: USB disconnect, device number 3 > > [ 1225.258011] usb 2-7: new low-speed USB device number 4 using ohci-> pci > > [ 1225.449627] usb 2-7: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c044 > > [ 1225.449946] usb 2-7: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > > [ 1225.450240] usb 2-7: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse > > [ 1225.450740] usb 2-7: Manufacturer: Logitech > > [ 1225.464165] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as > > /devices/pci:00/:00:0b.0/usb2/2-7/2-7:1.0/input/input6 > > [ 1225.464666] hid-generic 0003:046D:C044.0003: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 > > Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-:00:0b.0-7/input0 > > > > If I do the same thing after the device has stopped functioning, I get the > > disconnect message but that's it: > > > > [199729.451060] i2c i2c-3: sendbytes: NAK bailout. > > [199733.215303] usb 2-7: USB disconnect, device number 4 > > [199814.495204] type=1006 audit(1394381639.494:3): pid=5861 uid=0 old > > auid=4294967295 new auid=1000 old ses=4294967295 new ses=2 res=1 > > you can use the power button + acpid to reload the usb modules (I hope > you have usb support as modules and not built into the kernel) and see > what happens next time usb acts up. Thanks for the suggestion! Fortunately network access to the machine works fine even with the USB down, so I was able to log in and unload/reload the USB modules remotely. When I `modprobe -r ochi_pci` while the system is operating normally, I see all four modules (ohci-pci, ohci-hcd, ehci-pci, and ehci-hcd) unloading properly: [25603.37] ohci-pci :00:0b.0: remove, state 1 [25603.370395] usb usb2: USB disconnect, device number 1 [25603.370414] usb 2-6: USB disconnect, device number 2 [25603.383451] usb 2-7: USB disconnect, device number 3 [25603.384217] ohci-pci :00:0b.0: USB bus 2 deregistered [25603.384597] ehci-pci :00:0b.1: remove, state 1 [25603.384611] usb usb1: USB disconnect, device number 1 [25603.386306] ehci-pci :00:0b.1: USB bus 1 deregistered If I try to do the same thing after the mouse has locked up, modprobe stalls trying to unload the first module: wombat kutulu # modprobe -r -v ohci_pci rmmod ohci_pci wombat kutulu # dmesg [38091.627389] ohci-pci :00:0b.0: remove, state 1 [38091.627400] usb usb2: USB disconnect, device number 1 Any ideas what's going wrong here? Any chance I can salvage this hardware? --Mike
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel 3.14.14 build failure at DEPMOD stage
On 08/16/2014 11:56 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > * unmerge modutils > > * emerge kmod, with the "tools" USE flag. > > Before I screw anything up, does this sound reasonable? Yes, that's what I did and all's well. But *don't* do it until you return from your trip, lest the spirit of desktop environments put a curse on your applications.
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote: > Hi. I have been using the gnome for some time(in other distro's) and I > had no complaint. However after switching to gentoo I installed i3 and > it is very great. > I really love it, but I was considering to install a DE too. > Before jumping to gnome I wanted to evaluate my options. > I have heard that " It is a matter of taste" but think it is not all > of the story. > I have heard that the gentoo community is more inclined toward KDE > too. So KDE must have some advantage that makes people like it's > taste! > So can you please tell me why you have chosen a specific DE and not > the other options ? > thanks. I've bounced between quite a few, both straight WMs and full featured DEs over the years. I liked Gnome pre-3, mostly due to the fact that it typically 'just worked' and the bulkiest programs I ran being primarily GTK based. While I liked Gnome Shell when it was in early development, there were quite a few decisions made (*notably the distinct aversion to allowing meaningful customization) on that end on the way to Gnome 3 that I don't find it very appealing as it stands. I ran and enjoyed KDE about a decade ago, but hadn't really touched it since until recently, and it's just too heavy to suit my needs (most of my systems are lightweight laptops/netbooks anymore). In the end, once I ran across Blackbox, then Fluxbox, my interest in 'full featured' DEs was pretty much killed. My favorite WM when I'm running a truly stripped down system is actually ratpoison, while I tend to run LXDE (and toying with LXQT now) on most of my systems for the sake of giving a more 'normal' usage paradigm (primarily if I need other people to be able to use the system). LXDE gives just enough trinkets for things like battery status, multiple desktop management, coherent configuration interfaces for themes and such, and a proper menu while otherwise staying out of the way. I've never really used xfce or e17 much, but both seem to be pretty well loved by their users. I still bounce between LXDE, Ratpoison, and Fluxbox fairly often (and as proof of how much I liked Blackbox and Fluxbox, I run an offshoot of those on Windows as a shell replacement). I have friends that vary between liking and tolerating Gnome 3, KDE, etc. and I can honestly say the only meaningful factor in deciding what they run has always boiled down to taste. Sit down with each for a week or three (as your main system, you won't get a real feel for them if you're not trying to get real work done through them), get them working as close to your preferences as you can, then judge which a) took the least work to get there and b) most closely match what you actually want from them. As an added bonus, poke around for a third thing to score based on... which gives you the best set of features you *weren't* looking for but *will* use. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 02:31:10PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > I do use Evince as a quick alternative to Okular for PDFs . Have you ever tried mupdf? or xpdf? why install a GNOME app when you don't use it? -- Henrique Lengler https://gitorious.org/~henriqueleng
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel 3.14.14 build failure at DEPMOD stage
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 02:33:56PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:59:21 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > I still get... > > > > [thimk][root][/usr/src/linux] (grep -q 'CONFIG_MODULES is not set' > > .config || make modules_install) > > INSTALL drivers/char/kcopy/kcopy.ko > > INSTALL drivers/thermal/x86_pkg_temp_thermal.ko > > DEPMOD 3.14.14-gentoo > > /usr/src/linux-3.14.14-gentoo/scripts/depmod.sh: line 57: 2426 > > Segmentation fault "$DEPMOD" "$@" "$KERNELRELEASE" $SYMBOL_PREFIX > > make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 139 > > So you do have modules in use? [thimk][root][~] lsmod Module Size Used byNot tainted lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented I think I may have found the solution. First of all, the system is running mdev from busybox, instead of udev. Secondly, I found https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-955120-start-0.html which suggests * unmerge modutils * emerge kmod, with the "tools" USE flag. Before I screw anything up, does this sound reasonable? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
Am 16.08.2014 um 18:13 schrieb behrouz khosravi: > Hi. I have been using the gnome for some time(in other distro's) and I > had no complaint. However after switching to gentoo I installed i3 and > it is very great. > I really love it, but I was considering to install a DE too. > Before jumping to gnome I wanted to evaluate my options. > I have heard that " It is a matter of taste" but think it is not all > of the story. > I have heard that the gentoo community is more inclined toward KDE > too. So KDE must have some advantage that makes people like it's > taste! > So can you please tell me why you have chosen a specific DE and not > the other options ? > thanks. > > well, back in the KDE 1.1, 2.1,2.2 and Gnome up to 1.4.2 days both were nice and I used both. Switching betwen the two. Then came Gnome 2.0 And I never went back to Gnome. Seriously, Gnome 1.4.2 was the best gnome ever.
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
140816 behrouz khosravi wrote: > So can you please tell me why you have chosen a specific DE > and not the other options ? I've used Fluxbox for a long time & am completely satisfied ; it's very customisable, fast & reliable ; I start it with 'startx' ; the only problem is that it's not good at automatically starting apps, but I've defined Alt-F keys to start the regulars & that's very quick. I use Apwal -- not nearly well enough known -- via R-click to call up an array of quick-start icons on an empty desktop ; I create + update the regular menu with Vim & open it via Alt-Space, which allows me to use it even on a full desktop ; I have long organised my activities via 10 desktops. I like KDE apps & have a dozen installed ; updating is fairly quick & I don't do it for every release, most of which don't affect me. I used Xfce for a short time, but dropped it when 4.2 was slow to appear ; Fluxbox proved to be a better alternative. I never liked Gnome, its apps, its interface or its multitude of deps ; I've never installed or used it, but I've seen it from the outside ; I do use Evince as a quick alternative to Okular for PDFs . The great attraction of Gentoo is that you get to build your own system & can mix + match as much as you please. HTH. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
I never liked any DE. And i hate the KDE things like konsole, konqueror, ktorrent principally when you try to install these in a non KDE system. -- Henrique Lengler https://gitorious.org/~henriqueleng
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Сергей wrote: > I use KDE, because it has biggest amount of functions KDE Connect, > KRunner and Amarok have no match in GTK-world. If they had, I would > use Xfce. > well it seems that Xfce is now really a big player. I guess that it's number of users is quite comparable to gnome and KDE.
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
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Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
> xfce4 here, very light weight, customizable, boots up instantly for me. > I use nfsv3 and netboot many box's with it as a shared read only root Is it as customizable as KDE ? I have installed KDE on a Debian machine and I like it's configurability.
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Saturday 16 Aug 2014 17:13:29 behrouz khosravi wrote: > Hi. I have been using the gnome for some time(in other distro's) and I > had no complaint. However after switching to gentoo I installed i3 and > it is very great. > I really love it, but I was considering to install a DE too. > Before jumping to gnome I wanted to evaluate my options. > I have heard that " It is a matter of taste" but think it is not all > of the story. > I have heard that the gentoo community is more inclined toward KDE > too. So KDE must have some advantage that makes people like it's > taste! > So can you please tell me why you have chosen a specific DE and not > the other options ? > thanks. I use Enlightenment (e17) almost exclusively these days, having spent many years running a heavily modified Fluxbox. I prefer e17 because it probably is even more light footed than fluxbox, but more modern in look and feel, without the need to manually configure everything. A few gadgets on the desktop, favourite apps launched by right click menu and my personal choice of wallpapers and shelf configuration, is all I needed to change from the default set up. On a couple of PCs mostly used by other users, I have installed KDE, because it is better suited to their needs. They want/like/use a lot of plasmoids and don't mind waiting longer for the desktop to launch. They are also keen on the many KDE applications. I preferred KDE3 to the current KDE4 with its semantic desktop and KDEPIM slow-speed-train-crash, but clearly I don't have an audience with current KDE devs to expect them to listen to my desires. :p I have used briefly Gnome and the Cinnamon desktop on Linux Mint and Ubuntu's Unity, but I didn't appreciate any of them. Probably a matter of personal taste I guess, Gnome and derivatives never sat comfortably with me. Somehow I found that their settings were a bit obscure or removed from the end user. XFCE, LXDE and openbox were lightweight and fast, but for the little I tried them out I found them somewhat depleted of features and functionality. Perhaps if I persevered I would have grown to like them more. So, it's e17 for me, but YMMV. :-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
RE: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
xfce4 here, very light weight, customizable, boots up instantly for me.I use nfsv3 and netboot many box's with it as a shared read only root > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:43:29 +0430 > Subject: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !) > From: bz.khosr...@gmail.com > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > > Hi. I have been using the gnome for some time(in other distro's) and I > had no complaint. However after switching to gentoo I installed i3 and > it is very great. > I really love it, but I was considering to install a DE too. > Before jumping to gnome I wanted to evaluate my options. > I have heard that " It is a matter of taste" but think it is not all > of the story. > I have heard that the gentoo community is more inclined toward KDE > too. So KDE must have some advantage that makes people like it's > taste! > So can you please tell me why you have chosen a specific DE and not > the other options ? > thanks. >
[gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
Hi. I have been using the gnome for some time(in other distro's) and I had no complaint. However after switching to gentoo I installed i3 and it is very great. I really love it, but I was considering to install a DE too. Before jumping to gnome I wanted to evaluate my options. I have heard that " It is a matter of taste" but think it is not all of the story. I have heard that the gentoo community is more inclined toward KDE too. So KDE must have some advantage that makes people like it's taste! So can you please tell me why you have chosen a specific DE and not the other options ? thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel 3.14.14 build failure at DEPMOD stage
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:59:21 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > I still get... > > [thimk][root][/usr/src/linux] (grep -q 'CONFIG_MODULES is not set' > .config || make modules_install) > INSTALL drivers/char/kcopy/kcopy.ko > INSTALL drivers/thermal/x86_pkg_temp_thermal.ko > DEPMOD 3.14.14-gentoo > /usr/src/linux-3.14.14-gentoo/scripts/depmod.sh: line 57: 2426 > Segmentation fault "$DEPMOD" "$@" "$KERNELRELEASE" $SYMBOL_PREFIX > make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 139 So you do have modules in use? > Out of sheer curiosity, will there be a kernel 3.14.15.29 ? There was talk about it but it turned out to be pi in the sky ;-) -- Neil Bothwick This is the day for firm decisions! Or is it? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] apachetop compilation failed; something missing?
On 16-Aug-14 14:07, Stroller wrote: … I just tried to install app-admin/apachetop-0.12.6-r1 (USE="pcre -adns -fam") but compilation failed with these messages: __ Makefile:342: .deps/apachetop.Po: No such file or directory Makefile:343: .deps/display.Po: No such file or directory Makefile:344: .deps/filters.Po: No such file or directory Makefile:345: .deps/hits_circle.Po: No such file or directory Are these files / directory present? They were apparently missing but... Today apachetop compiled without any problem. I did not change anything in between, just synced portage-tree again and problem dissapeared... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] apachetop compilation failed; something missing?
On Fri, 15 August 2014, at 3:55 pm, Jarry wrote: > … I just tried to install app-admin/apachetop-0.12.6-r1 > (USE="pcre -adns -fam") but compilation failed with > these messages: > __ > > Makefile:342: .deps/apachetop.Po: No such file or directory > Makefile:343: .deps/display.Po: No such file or directory > Makefile:344: .deps/filters.Po: No such file or directory > Makefile:345: .deps/hits_circle.Po: No such file or directory Are these files / directory present? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel 3.14.14 build failure at DEPMOD stage
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 09:43:27AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 00:00:52 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > AFAICT the only time depmod runs is during the "modules_install" > > > phase. Do you do "make modules_install" when building a kernel? > > > > I'm lazy. I have 2 scripts sitting in /usr/src which I run from > > /usr/src/linux. After running "make menuconfig" or "make oldconfig" I > > run ../makeover which goes like so... > > > > #!/bin/bash > > make && \ > > make modules_install && \ > > So it's self-inflicted :) > > Try replacing that last line with something like > > (grep -q 'CONFIG_MODULES is not set' .config || make modules_install) Ouch. I just reakized that the "&&" means that the cp commands are not executed. So I did the following from the commandline from directory /usr/src/linux cp arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-test cp System.map /boot/System.map-test cp .config /boot/config-test Then I... * added a "Test" entry to lilo.conf * ran "lilo -R test" * rebooted I am indeed running kernel 3.14.14 this time... [thimk][root][/usr/src/linux] uname -a Linux thimk 3.14.14-gentoo #1 SMP Wed Aug 13 18:13:23 EDT 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU M 620 @ 2.67GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux I still get... [thimk][root][/usr/src/linux] (grep -q 'CONFIG_MODULES is not set' .config || make modules_install) INSTALL drivers/char/kcopy/kcopy.ko INSTALL drivers/thermal/x86_pkg_temp_thermal.ko DEPMOD 3.14.14-gentoo /usr/src/linux-3.14.14-gentoo/scripts/depmod.sh: line 57: 2426 Segmentation fault "$DEPMOD" "$@" "$KERNELRELEASE" $SYMBOL_PREFIX make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 139 I did a short test run. X seems to run OK. I'll try to put it through a more thorough test later. I'll be out of town, and mostly disconnected from the net Tuesday through Friday, so things will have to wait. Out of sheer curiosity, will there be a kernel 3.14.15.29 ? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel 3.14.14 build failure at DEPMOD stage
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 00:00:52 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > AFAICT the only time depmod runs is during the "modules_install" > > phase. Do you do "make modules_install" when building a kernel? > > I'm lazy. I have 2 scripts sitting in /usr/src which I run from > /usr/src/linux. After running "make menuconfig" or "make oldconfig" I > run ../makeover which goes like so... > > #!/bin/bash > make && \ > make modules_install && \ So it's self-inflicted :) Try replacing that last line with something like (grep -q 'CONFIG_MODULES is not set' .config || make modules_install) -- Neil Bothwick This man is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot signature.asc Description: PGP signature
