[gentoo-user] Oddity in eix database
Hello list, What's gone wrong here? $ eix-test-obsolete No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.keywords. No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords. No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.mask. No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.unmask. No non-matching or empty entries in /etc/portage/package.use. No non-matching or empty entries in /etc/portage/package.env. No non-matching or empty entries in /etc/portage/package.license. No non-matching or empty entries in /etc/portage/package.accept_restrict. No non-matching or empty entries in /etc/portage/package.cflags. The following installed packages are not in the database: virtual/-MERGING-perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML -- [...] I have no YAML installed, virtual or otherwise. Running as root makes no difference. I run eix-update as part of my daily sync. It'd be good to remove the offending entry, even though it seems to be doing no harm. How would I go about that? -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] no-emul profiles
Am Thu, 20 Nov 2014 00:05:30 +0100 schrieb Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de: Anyway, I just switched to default/linux/amd64/13.0/no-emul-linux-x86/desktop as an experiment and am waiting for emerge @world to finish :) . For the record, it completed successfully with one temporary failure due to file collisions when installing json-c. I had to unmerge emul-linux-x86-baselibs before I could finish the emerge @world. I haven't tested things extensively, but I haven't encountered any problems with wine. HTH -- Marc Joliet -- People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] no-emul profiles
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 00:05:30 +0100 Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: Am Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:09:16 +0200 schrieb Gevisz gev...@gmail.com: Looking into profile list, I have found out new, at least for me, no-emul profiles. (As far as I remember, they were not there one and a half years ago, when I installed my first Gentoo system.) I tried to google something about them but have found virtually nothing except for the following wiki page: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Multilib_System_without_emul-linux_Packages It is not about profiles at all but I guess that no-emul profile provides the same result while installing the system. Am I right? In short: yes, I think so. It Looks to me like a new profile that uses proper multilib (something that some Gentoo devs have been working on for several years now, in fact) instead of the pre-compiled 32 bit packages (app-emulation/emul-linux-*), so that now, finally, (some) packages can be compiled for both 32 and 64 bits. Specifically, I think it is explicitly for wine users. Actually, I'm mildly excited that proper multilib (at least for amd64) appears to be nearing completion, or at least a usable state. If so, I have a few more questions: Is it stable? Is it worth to choose it while installing a new Gentoo system? No clue about these two, since I haven't tried it, but I've never heard of experimental profiles, I have seen such a warning when googling about uclibc profile (but it is hard to say when this warning was issued). so I don't expect it to be broken (but see below). Anyway, I just switched to default/linux/amd64/13.0/no-emul-linux-x86/desktop as an experiment and am waiting for emerge @world to finish :) . Thank you for trying it. :) So the no-emul-linux-x86 profiles are fairly simple: they unmask the abi_x86_32 USE flag (at least for enough packages to satisfy wine's dependency tree), mask the emul-linux-* packages, and mask some older versions of packages that don't have the necessary multilib support. I needed to upgrade 5 packages, of which four (gnutls, texinfo, nettle, and libSM) have open stabilisation bugs. Does not this mean that it is a bit experimental? The one without was wine, but I don't mind in its case. After that and adding lots of abi_x86_32 USE flags, portage was able to sort out all blockers by itself and emerge @world started running successfully. There is also a corresponding abi_x86_64 USE flag that remains masked, so you don't get the full granularity yet, but it will get there eventually :) . What is still unclear for me (but it is not the question to you but to the creators of this profile) is the following: In the wiki page I have mentioned above, is written: This document will show how to setup a Gentoo ~amd64 system for this new way of dealing with 32bit libraries. A stable amd64 system may not work this way but if the new feature is completely stable, it will be available to all users eventually. That suggests that with the time all these features will be included into the usual default amd64 profile, and thus amd64 no-emul profile seems to be somewhat experimental (at least as to my logic :). If so, will it be abandoned with time or just converge to the default amd64 profile? Can I expect that in this case I will be able to install and run such applications as, say, wine? I would expect so. The wine ebuilds (at least for version 1.7.x) have supported multilib for a while now (just check the changelog), as an alternative to the emul-linux-* packages. Thank you. HTH Yes, thank you.
Re: [gentoo-user] no-emul profiles
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:05:26 +0100 Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: Am Thu, 20 Nov 2014 00:05:30 +0100 schrieb Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de: Anyway, I just switched to default/linux/amd64/13.0/no-emul-linux-x86/desktop as an experiment and am waiting for emerge @world to finish :) . For the record, it completed successfully with one temporary failure due to file collisions when installing json-c. I had to unmerge emul-linux-x86-baselibs before I could finish the emerge @world. I haven't tested things extensively, but I haven't encountered any problems with wine. HTH Thank you once more for trying this profile and reporting your findings.
Re: [gentoo-user] Iron penguin on usb?
On 11/19/14 19:20, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:15:38 + (UTC), James wrote: Are these the best instructions to follow to createa usb bootable live gentoo image? It has to be able to install new packages and save those to the usb stick. I remember some time back (Neil) mentioned a package I was not aware of (and naturally cannot remmber the name of) that made creating USB bootable, usable, images on a usb stick straightforward? Do you mean isohybrid? That converts an ISO image to make it suitable for copying to a USB drive with dd and booting it as if it were a CD. it's not suitable for your needs as it uses the whole drive as an ISO9660 filesystem, leaving nowhere to save your files. Yep, that's it. Theoretical question: If one build this image, why can't you include a file that is the size of the remaining free space before creating the image? It afterwards use that file space to install additional wares? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Iron penguin on usb?
On 11/19/14 19:30, David Abbott wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 5:15 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hello, Ok the latest release of livedvd is here: https://www.gentoo.org/news/20140826-livedvd.xml So my understanding is you can put this on a usb stick. Run gentoo live, download packages, set flags, install packages and save them to the USB stick? So it's a portable gentoo workstation on a usb stick? Use dd to put it on a usb stick. For persistence I would ask likewhoa; https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-995118.html Regards, David YES. I read that. I think there is something in this article (persistence maybe?) that allows one to emerge and keep the newly installed softwares. I think it's going to have to be some with a deeper understanding of what he is say, to figure out an explicit path forward for me. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Iron penguin on usb?
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:06:12 -0500, wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Do you mean isohybrid? That converts an ISO image to make it suitable for copying to a USB drive with dd and booting it as if it were a CD. it's not suitable for your needs as it uses the whole drive as an ISO9660 filesystem, leaving nowhere to save your files. Yep, that's it. Theoretical question: If one build this image, why can't you include a file that is the size of the remaining free space before creating the image? It afterwards use that file space to install additional wares? Because the process creates a read-only filesystem on the whole drive. What you suggest is surely possible, but far more work than the method the Wiki describes. -- Neil Bothwick Programmer (n): A red-eyed, mumbling mammal capable of conversing with inanimate objects. pgplYZuNiVxVN.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: new thinkpad with Gentoo
In a similar vein, I would suggest https://system76.com/laptops. I found them after I purchased my laptop. Had I known, I likely would have gone with them and purchased their most expensive model. For the most part, what you want is relatively hard to get with a typical consumer computer. They've gone for minimization to the point where they can't offer (or don't want to offer) the options that the majority of people would expect to exist. On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:08 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:45:05 PM Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I consider buying a new laptop in late 2014 ... taxes and stuff ... I run 2 thinkpads here, each with 8 gigs of RAM and SSD inside: L520 and X220 - both still with Intel Core i-(5|7)-2xxx inside. So far OK, but not up2date. Considering a budget of ~1000 EUR maximum (more based on reason) ... do you have any recommendation from practical experience? I once had a Macbook Air (1st generation) with gentoo on it, it was nice because it was slim and lightweight ... a similar device costs 2000 bucks up when I buy it new (Lenovo Thinkpads X... or X1 Carbon). What I want to avoid is spending quite some money and getting basically the same weight/size I already know with minor performance gain (which I get used to within days anyway). opinions appreciated! :-) Stefan Stefan, Instead of going with the big brands, you could also go for one of the lesser known brands. I myself am using a laptop from BTO (www.bto.eu). They actually are based near my home, which saved me the shipping costs. With this company (and similar ones like it), you have a lot of freedom when deciding on what ends up inside it. A lot more then when looking for laptops from the big brands. And, they're also cheaper. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] no-emul profiles
Looking into profile list, I have found out new, at least for me, no-emul profiles. (As far as I remember, they were not there one and a half years ago, when I installed my first Gentoo system.) I asked the experts; these are mainly for us devs for testing during a temporary period. At some point they will disappear, when the changes are integrated into the main profiles. I.e., they are experimental, of course you can try them out, but they will go away sometime soon again (hopefully) when the emul-* packages are removed. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer kde, council
[gentoo-user] Re: Oddity in eix database
Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: The following installed packages are not in the database: virtual/-MERGING-perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML portage generates such a directory or file in /var/db/pkg when it is merging the package. When portage exits (even uncleanly), this entry should be removed. If it still exists, it means that portage died in a bad way (strange error, power failure or kill -9 signal). It is safe to remove this file/dir from /var/db/pkg, but I would recommend to re-emerge the corresponding package (perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML in your case): It might be that portage has partially merged some files of the package but not yet all of them, or something similar. You might get collision messages when you try to re-emerge.
Re: [gentoo-user] no-emul profiles
Am Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:53:41 +0100 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org: Looking into profile list, I have found out new, at least for me, no-emul profiles. (As far as I remember, they were not there one and a half years ago, when I installed my first Gentoo system.) I asked the experts; these are mainly for us devs for testing during a temporary period. At some point they will disappear, when the changes are integrated into the main profiles. I.e., they are experimental, of course you can try them out, but they will go away sometime soon again (hopefully) when the emul-* packages are removed. Good to know! I'm glad I tried it out, nonetheless. -- Marc Joliet -- People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: new thinkpad with Gentoo
Am 20.11.2014 um 15:37 schrieb Sid S: In a similar vein, I would suggest https://system76.com/laptops. I found them after I purchased my laptop. Had I known, I likely would have gone with them and purchased their most expensive model. For the most part, what you want is relatively hard to get with a typical consumer computer. They've gone for minimization to the point where they can't offer (or don't want to offer) the options that the majority of people would expect to exist. Interesting. I ask for thinkpads and get two answers pointing to other brands ;-) I will have a look, thanks. But I like that trackpoint
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: new thinkpad with Gentoo
On 20 November 2014 19:19:34 CET, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 20.11.2014 um 15:37 schrieb Sid S: In a similar vein, I would suggest https://system76.com/laptops. I found them after I purchased my laptop. Had I known, I likely would have gone with them and purchased their most expensive model. For the most part, what you want is relatively hard to get with a typical consumer computer. They've gone for minimization to the point where they can't offer (or don't want to offer) the options that the majority of people would expect to exist. Interesting. I ask for thinkpads and get two answers pointing to other brands ;-) I will have a look, thanks. But I like that trackpoint That's because we've given up hoping for a decent price-quality-spec combination from the big brands. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: new thinkpad with Gentoo
On 20/11/14 18:19, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: But I like that trackpoint yeah at first it's odd, but then when you start getting used to navigating without removing hands from keyboard it does become almost a prerequisite. does anyone know if you can get usb keyboards that have the trackpoint style mini-joystick in the middle of them ? the other big thing with the thinkpads used to be the keyboards. the x201 had a great almost totally full size keyboard, but they are increasingly becoming a thing of a bygone era with apple style calculator buttons that have nothing like the tactile response they used to have. as lenovo are moving away from these big-key style keyboards, does anyone have any recommendations of a laptop supplier that is starting to use them ?
Re: [gentoo-user] Iron penguin on usb?
On 19/11/14 22:15, James wrote: Hello, Ok the latest release of livedvd is here: https://www.gentoo.org/news/20140826-livedvd.xml from the forum link from the news article http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-995118.html One of the great things about this new livedvd besides that it contains over 1200 packages is that it now supports full / persistency meaning that you can boot this livedvd, make tweaks as you like and reboot while retaining those changes. It's more like a Gentoo to Go if you ask me. and Another great feature which will be ported to all minimal install cds is support for UEFI. This image even boots on MAC OSX hardware! Yes you heard it right! nice pie, well done to the gentoo devs So my understanding is you can put this on a usb stick. Run gentoo live, download packages, set flags, install packages and save them to the USB stick? So it's a portable gentoo workstation on a usb stick? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LiveUSB/HOWTO Are these the best instructions to follow to createa usb bootable live gentoo image? It has to be able to install new packages and save those to the usb stick. I remember some time back (Neil) mentioned a package I was not aware of (and naturally cannot remmber the name of) that made creating USB bootable, usable, images on a usb stick straightforward? It even handled grub2, uefi and such? suggestions? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Iron penguin on usb?
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 2:21 PM, thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: On 19/11/14 22:15, James wrote: Hello, Ok the latest release of livedvd is here: https://www.gentoo.org/news/20140826-livedvd.xml from the forum link from the news article http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-995118.html One of the great things about this new livedvd besides that it contains over 1200 packages is that it now supports full / persistency meaning that you can boot this livedvd, make tweaks as you like and reboot while retaining those changes. It's more like a Gentoo to Go if you ask me. and Another great feature which will be ported to all minimal install cds is support for UEFI. This image even boots on MAC OSX hardware! Yes you heard it right! nice pie, well done to the gentoo devs So my understanding is you can put this on a usb stick. Run gentoo live, download packages, set flags, install packages and save them to the USB stick? So it's a portable gentoo workstation on a usb stick? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LiveUSB/HOWTO Are these the best instructions to follow to createa usb bootable live gentoo image? It has to be able to install new packages and save those to the usb stick. Likewhoa just put this together for the LiveDVD media, he is the one who builds them; https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LiveDVD-Persistence-Mode -- David Abbott (dabbott)
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: new thinkpad with Gentoo
On 11/20/2014 11:16 AM, thegeezer wrote: yeah at first it's odd, but then when you start getting used to navigating without removing hands from keyboard it does become almost a prerequisite. does anyone know if you can get usb keyboards that have the trackpoint style mini-joystick in the middle of them ? Yep: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/itemdetails/0B47190/460/60AC6A0372B14F5BA7B12F1FF88E33C7 I almost bought this one but I wanted a usb port on my keyboard itself for my mouse, IIRC this one didn't have that. I have used a lenovo keyboard with it, I liked it, just wish it had a USB port for the mouse. the other big thing with the thinkpads used to be the keyboards. the x201 had a great almost totally full size keyboard, but they are increasingly becoming a thing of a bygone era with apple style calculator buttons that have nothing like the tactile response they used to have. as lenovo are moving away from these big-key style keyboards, does anyone have any recommendations of a laptop supplier that is starting to use them ? I've been looking around too and it seems like everyone's doing the chicklet keyboards. I haven't looked that hard, but almost every laptop I've found seems to have the goofy keyboards. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] no-emul profiles
2014-11-20 16:53 GMT+02:00 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org: Looking into profile list, I have found out new, at least for me, no-emul profiles. (As far as I remember, they were not there one and a half years ago, when I installed my first Gentoo system.) I asked the experts; these are mainly for us devs for testing during a temporary period. At some point they will disappear, when the changes are integrated into the main profiles. I.e., they are experimental, of course you can try them out, but they will go away sometime soon again (hopefully) when the emul-* packages are removed. Ok. Thank you for information. And your job as a Gentoo developper. :)
[gentoo-user]ask for installation help!
Hello, I am a Debian user and now want to try gentoo. Firstly, I install gentoo in Virtual box for practice. I follow the quick install guide on http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml. Unluckily, this guide cannot help me install gentoo successfully. The problem is Grub2 cannot boot correct. The following picture show all items in /boot directory. When the system starts, it enters the grub2 console. I tried to boot manually, but failed. Please help me! - posted by *Giant Y*
[gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now
I just read an article that says systemd is taking over linux and linux is not linux anymore: http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/11/20/systemd-redux/ I kinda have to agree which is partially why I'm not using it. Will Gentoo have any plans of forcing its users to move to systemd or will I always (such as its always roughly been) have the option of using init and openrc as it is now? I personally have no reasons currently to switch from one to the other. It seems like it might be a great thing if you have linux containers.
Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Paige Thompson erra...@yourstruly.sx wrote: I just read an article that says systemd is taking over linux and linux is not linux anymore: http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/11/20/systemd-redux/ I highly recommend the article John Corbet wrote for LWN a week ago: http://lwn.net/Articles/619992/ TL;DR, the sky is not falling, let's see how systemd evolves and succeds, fails, or it's replaced. I kinda have to agree which is partially why I'm not using it. Will Gentoo have any plans of forcing its users to move to systemd or will I always (such as its always roughly been) have the option of using init and openrc as it is now? As long as there are developers willing and able to support OpenRC in Gentoo (and it looks like there are), that will be the case. To make sure that this remains to be true, help them. I personally have no reasons currently to switch from one to the other. It seems like it might be a great thing if you have linux containers. It's actually a great thing for a lot of use cases. But it doesn't seem that Gentoo will change defaults soon, although systemd works great with it. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now
Am 21.11.2014 um 08:17 schrieb Paige Thompson: I just read an article that says systemd is taking over linux and linux is not linux anymore: http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/11/20/systemd-redux/ I kinda have to agree which is partially why I'm not using it. Will Gentoo have any plans of forcing its users to move to systemd or will I always (such as its always roughly been) have the option of using init and openrc as it is now? I personally have no reasons currently to You've been on this list for surely long enough to know, that systemd will always be optional for Gentoo users with Openrc not going away too soon as the default.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Oddity in eix database
On Thursday 20 November 2014 16:26:40 Martin Vaeth wrote: Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: The following installed packages are not in the database: virtual/-MERGING-perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML portage generates such a directory or file in /var/db/pkg when it is merging the package. When portage exits (even uncleanly), this entry should be removed. If it still exists, it means that portage died in a bad way (strange error, power failure or kill -9 signal). It is safe to remove this file/dir from /var/db/pkg, but I would recommend to re-emerge the corresponding package (perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML in your case): It might be that portage has partially merged some files of the package but not yet all of them, or something similar. You might get collision messages when you try to re-emerge. Ah, I see. So I have now removed the offending directory. I didn't have that package installed (so I don't know why it left that directory, dated 6 Nov), but I emerged it single-shot, then ran emerge --depclean, which removed it again. Everything tidied up neatly - thanks Martin. -- Rgds Peter.
