On 04/08/2015 20:30, Felix Miata wrote:
Grant Edwards composed on 2015-08-04 17:20 (UTC):
Felix Miata wrote:
That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an
old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot
on one HD with 12
On 05/08/2015 05:28, Felix Miata wrote:
If we (gentoo) had a simple installation semantic, this sort of problem
would most likely disappear; so the wider community could delve into other
technical support issues.. YMMV.
I get the feeling Gentoo isn't a right choice for people who need a
Am Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:13:20 -0400
schrieb Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-04 21:36 (UTC+0100):
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:32:51 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
I've yet to figure out how to get a list of
all installed packages akin to 'rpm -qa | sort', so I
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 05/08/2015 05:28, Felix Miata wrote:
If we (gentoo) had a simple installation semantic, this sort of problem
would most likely disappear; so the wider community could delve into other
technical support issues.. YMMV.
I get the feeling Gentoo isn't a right choice
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 6:18:07 AM Franz Fellner wrote:
walt wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 08:19:37 +0200
Franz Fellner alpine.art...@gmail.com wrote:
Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Monday, August 03, 2015 6:41:22 PM walt wrote:
That line declares *hostname as a constant and
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 08:33:00 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
And then you will repeat the whole thing to deal with udev and friends.
And then for OpenRC.
And then the whole split /usr thing
Bash will cause much pain. Oh, I almost forgot, there was that bash
completion mess too.
For an idea of
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the
people it's designed for, if only they aren't trying to do as currently
I, avoid systemd.
Eh? The Handbook is for an OpenRC install, it's the systemd users that
have
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 00:39:56 + (UTC), James wrote:
Um, we can think out of the box for a new and cool installation
semantic. Just look at blueness's posting (Gentoo Reference System) on
www.gentoo.org as a new, and useful approach to installs for
established gentoo admins.
That's
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 08:48:21 Alan McKinnon wrote:
It should be more obvious now why simple installation semantic is a
total oxymoron in a Gentoo setting.
I don't even understand what it means. What is a semantic? As far as I know,
semantic is an adjective, relating to meaning,
2015-08-04 21:28 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
I really should have followed up on my installation 50 months ago at *least*
3 years ago. I have no recollection what stopped me, unless it was a naive
choice to put it on one of my oldest slowest machines with nv11 instead of
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:05:48 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
[OT]
Much confusion is caused by people continually inventing new ways of
using words with insufficient thought to how they would fit into the
existing structure. Like momentarily for example, which in the
current American usage is
On 05/08/2015 09:00, Marc Joliet wrote:
Am Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:13:20 -0400
schrieb Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-04 21:36 (UTC+0100):
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:32:51 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
I've yet to figure out how to get a list of
all installed
On 05/08/2015 10:18, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
You can look at it like that, but more technically it's because C doesn't
support out arguments, or reference arguments, or objects. All arguments are
passed by value. You can return multiple values in a struct but it's not very
convenient both
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:37:30 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
-bash: qlist: command not found
emerge qlist fails (with unable to parse profile...unsupported EAPI
'5')
It is part of app-portage/portage-utils.
Which he will have to install first :-)
If the distfile is still available
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes:
Um, we can think out of the box for a new and cool installation
semantic. Just look at blueness's posting (Gentoo Reference System) on
www.gentoo.org as a new, and useful approach to installs for
established gentoo admins.
That's interesting,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:57 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Rich0 said he'd modify the handbook into an experimental prose that
leads to a raid-1 btrfs baseline system, if enough folks liked the ideas.
Just to clarify - I intend to do it, full stop. I don't want to
generate some
Meino.Cramer at gmx.de writes:
I dont like the idea of patching the kernel in order to get some minor
user land tools to run...
ipset has been integrated into the kernel::
'equery belongs ipset'
so you are just 'enabling' it to work.
Are there any other ways to achieve the same ?
Yes,
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes:
Rich0 said he'd modify the handbook into an experimental prose that
leads to a raid-1 btrfs baseline system, if enough folks liked the ideas.
Just to clarify - I intend to do it, full stop. I don't want to
generate some kind of please do it
On 2015-08-05, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the
people it's designed for, if only they aren't trying to do as currently
I, avoid systemd.
Eh? The Handbook
On 2015-08-05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/08/2015 20:30, Felix Miata wrote:
Seriously, more than a day?
Bwahahahaha! You are too funny!
THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I
have done it, and so have many others here. It was fun the
On 05/08/2015 16:27, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2015-08-05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/08/2015 20:30, Felix Miata wrote:
Seriously, more than a day?
Bwahahahaha! You are too funny!
THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I
have done it, and so
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2015-08-05, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the
people it's designed for, if
On Sunday 02 August 2015 09:11:18 Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Friday 31 July 2015 13:53:42 Dale wrote:
This may not be related but thought I would mention. For some reason,
my system will not boot a kernel newer than 3.18.7. I use
gentoo-sources and generally use make oldconfig. I have also
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 10:43:28 Rich Freeman wrote:
Just to humor you I'll include an OpenRC version of my raid1 btrfs
install walkthrough. :) It has been a while since I've done one of
those...
Me too please, Rich. I still haven't got this six-year-old MBR box to boot
raid1 btrfs.
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub
partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system?
If you use GPT on a motherboard with BIOS, you need that partition.
It's on UEFI systems that you don't
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:27:08 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I
have done it, and so have many others here. It was fun the first
time, now it is just a major PITA
Mostly it just provides an opportunity to prove you're too
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do
something useful. I'm reminded of an old saw about PHP:
The nice thing about php is it let's
I did not want to tread on another thread so::
I have bindist set in make.conf. I'm not sure why, as it has most likely
been there a while. I have plent of compiler power...
# equery hasuse bindist
* Searching for USE flag bindist ...
[IP-] [ ] dev-libs/openssl-0.9.8z_p7:0.9.8
[IP-] [ ]
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 1:24 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
I have bindist set in make.conf. I'm not sure why, as it has most likely
been there a while. I have plent of compiler power...
It is part of the stage3 default make.conf, so it isn't surprising
that you have it. Most
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 10:43:28 Rich Freeman wrote:
Just to humor you I'll include an OpenRC version of my raid1 btrfs
install walkthrough. :) It has been a while since I've done one of
those...
Me too
On 05/08/2015 19:20, Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do
something useful. I'm reminded of an old saw about PHP:
The
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:47:58 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 05/08/2015 10:18, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
In this context does 'hostname' mean a-pointer-to-a-pointer-to-the-
charstring we actually need?
Doesn't this code seem needlessly complicated?
okay, screed
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do
something useful. I'm reminded of an
On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 23:00:36 +0200
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
the following page should be required
study for everyone starting with programming. (It's for PHP, but
should work for ALL languages):
http://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/why-youre-a-bad-php-programmer--net-18384
Heiko Baums composed on 2015-08-06 07:19 (UTC+0200):
...
It's actually pretty easy.
I'm sure plenty have found that to be the case. My problem is inability to
connect the dots between the 12.1 column on
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo and the instructions.
Goal #1 is to get
Felix Miata composed on 2015-08-05 22:23 (UTC-0400):
After reading
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Media#Minimal_installation_CD
which does not link to it until after its first mention I spent considerable
time on http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/gentoo/ trying to find one.
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 5:34:43 PM Bryan Gardiner wrote:
Hello list,
On my most recent update, I had some build failures that led me to
find that some files on my root partition have been corrupted. This
is a new Asus N550JK laptop, a mostly-stable amd64 install with
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
I booted x86_64 openSUSE 13.1 HD installation to try to begin Gentoo
installation, beginning from Unpacking the stage tarball on
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Stage :
# tar xvjpf
After reading
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Media#Minimal_installation_CD
which does not link to it until after its first mention I spent considerable
time on http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/gentoo/ trying to find one. The only iso
files I managed to find are DVD size. When I
James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com [15-08-05 17:32]:
Meino.Cramer at gmx.de writes:
I dont like the idea of patching the kernel in order to get some minor
user land tools to run...
ipset has been integrated into the kernel::
'equery belongs ipset'
so you are just 'enabling' it to
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 9:45:43 PM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
I booted x86_64 openSUSE 13.1 HD installation to try to begin Gentoo
installation, beginning from Unpacking the stage tarball on
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 10:23:03 PM Felix Miata wrote:
After reading
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Media#Minimal_installation_CD
which does not link to it until after its first mention I spent considerable
time on http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/gentoo/ trying to
2015-08-05 23:33 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
Are you sure you read what I wrote and not what you think I wrote? Pages like
LMGTFY *leads to*, not LMGTFY. I was where that *leads to* yesterday and the
day before while progressing generally through wiki.gentoo.org and
OK so yes I know overlays in the wild can be disastrous.
Reading the devmanual while parsing through various ebuilds
both portage and in the wild, does make for some interesting
reading:: ymmv.
I'm not sure my overlay (kung_fu) is complete.
'layman -L' lists reasonably qualified overlay sites;
Bryan Gardiner bog at khumba.net writes:
On my most recent update, I had some build failures that led me to
find that some files on my root partition have been corrupted.
Pretty open ended statement, so here's a few ideas.
'eix -cC app-forensics' will give a brief description of tools
in
Fernando Rodriguez composed on 2015-08-05 23:46 (UTC-0400):
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 10:23:03 PM Felix Miata wrote:
...
all seemed to be arch-agnostic, so this is the one I tried (newest
pre-Grub2):
...
What makes you think it's arch agnostic when it says sh4-unknown-linux-gnu?
2015-08-05 22:40 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
Fernando Rodriguez composed on 2015-08-05 23:46 (UTC-0400):
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=download+gentoo
Pages like that leads to are like Windows and Sourceforge software hosts
where after muddling past licenses and assumption what one's
Am 06.08.2015 um 04:23 schrieb Felix Miata:
After reading
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Media#Minimal_installation_CD
which does not link to it until after its first mention I spent considerable
time on http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/gentoo/ trying to find one. The only
Jc García composed on 2015-08-05 23:02 (UTC-0600):
2015-08-05 22:40 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata ocmposed:
Fernando Rodriguez composed on 2015-08-05 23:46 (UTC-0400):
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=download+gentoo
Pages like that leads to are like Windows and Sourceforge software hosts
where after
I booted x86_64 openSUSE 13.1 HD installation to try to begin Gentoo
installation, beginning from Unpacking the stage tarball on
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Stage :
# tar xvjpf /pub/stage3-sh4-20120307.tar.bz2 --xattrs
Tar (GNU tar) v1.26 reported
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
On 06/08/15 10:34, Bryan Gardiner wrote:
After I make a fresh backup of my files, how would you recommend
troubleshooting this? Run memtest or a hard drive tester? Since
the files seemingly corrupted themselves after install without
being
On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 01:00 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Tuesday, August 04, 2015 8:18:43 PM Cor Legemaat wrote:
On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 19:56 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:12:07 PM Mick wrote:
On Sunday 02 Aug 2015 22:04:41 Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes:
So, set it per your preference. Since the stage3 was built with
USE=bindist it sets it by default, and that is the safer preference in
any case. License-purists might prefer to leave it this way and that
gives you an experience similar to debian
Hello list,
On my most recent update, I had some build failures that led me to
find that some files on my root partition have been corrupted. This
is a new Asus N550JK laptop, a mostly-stable amd64 install with
gentoo-sources-4.0.5 and ext4-root-in-LVM-in-LUKS-on-HDD, and Debian
lives in there
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:47:58 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do
something useful. I'm reminded of an old saw about PHP:
It may be that in recent years
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