Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Trouble on the horizon!
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:34 PM Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 24/09/2018 13:11, R0b0t1 wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Nikos Chantziaras > > wrote: > >> > >> To me it looks like youtubers and some sites trying to make money through > >> clickbait? > >> > > > > If you had not heard of it elsewhere the Linux code of conduct was > > amended. It makes the CoC similar to those of other projects where > > there are a number of (usually nontechnical) contributors who identify > > as a champion of social justice. > > [...] > Well, if kernel developers are fine with that, then I don't see how > that's relevant to anyone who isn't a kernel dev. If they want to adopt > social justice politics, that's really their prerogative. > Actually, social justice politics didn't seem to have anything to do with the CoC adoption. It was more of Linus taking a backseat (due to how he self-assessed his vacation behavior) and pretty soon after, they adopted CoC, most likely as some kind of "standardization" Barely a week has passed since the CoC though, and already there are political manuevers to oust high-profile kernel devs to the point that some contributors have started talks on exercising their copyright privileges and withholding their code. Which they have a right to do, by the way, if they feel the foundation has betrayed them. So as esr has put it: > First, let me confirm that this threat has teeth. I researched the relevant > law > when I was founding the Open Source Initiative. In the U.S. there is case law > confirming that reputational losses relating to conversion of the rights of a > contributor to a GPLed project are judicable in law. I do not know the case > law > outside the U.S., but in countries observing the Berne Convention without the > U.S.’s opt-out of the “moral rights” clause, that clause probably gives the > objectors an even stronger case. (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8139) This is not a little online trollfest that only affects kernel devs. This can affect literally everything. Biblical proportions, dogs and cats living together, etc. -- This email is:[ ] actionable [x] fyi[x] social Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [x] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate[ ] soon [x] none
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld : > On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: > > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) > > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring 2017, > > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. > > Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig, it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :)
Re: [gentoo-user] march cflag for Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2160 SLA8Z Malay processor
Thanks to all who has replied to this thread so far.
Re: [gentoo-user] march cflag for Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2160 SLA8Z Malay processor
вс, 23 сент. 2018 г. в 10:10, Walter Dnes : > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:00:39AM +0300, gevisz wrote > > , 19 . 2018 ??. ?? 11:38, Walter Dnes : > > > > According to > > > http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SLA8Z.html it has... > > > > > > MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 > > > > Do you mean that it would be enough to set > > CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe mmx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3" > > without setting the march cflag at all? > > Yes, that would work. Remember also to include in make.conf > > CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx mmxext sse sse2 sse3 ssse3" The target processor does not support mmxext. > In your jpeg image, I see that the flags include mmx, sse, sse2, pni, > and ssse3. "pni" == "Prescott New Instructions" == "SSE3". Looking at > https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-7.3.0/gcc/x86-Options.html#x86-Options > I suggest "-march=core2" with CPU_FLAGS_X86 same as above. The "core2" > option uses MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3 and SSSE3 instructions, all of which > show up in the listing on your jpeg. Thank you. Looking into https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Safe_CFLAGS#Intel I also concluded that for the target processor I should set "-march=core2" but I did not know that core2 option is exactly equivalent to setting mmx, sse, sse2, sse3 and ssse3 instructions. So, I decided to spend a day to get my hands on the target computer and compile everything on it with "-march=native" no matter how much time it takes. To conclude this thread, I will post the output of the commands suggested in this thread later, after the system install will be finished, just in case somebody will need them in the future.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:59:17PM +0100, Mick wrote > This is worse than I expected. OK, therefore never signing into Google's > systems with Chromium is the only way to stop this invasion of privacy. > Thankfully, we still have Firefox. ;-) Ahemm... https://dustri.org/b/mozilla-is-still-screwing-around-with-privacy-in-firefox.html -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in
On 25/09/2018 00:09, Andrew Udvare wrote: On Sep 24, 2018, at 10:20, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: There is an option for this, actually. Go to: chrome://flags/#account-consistency and set it to "Disabled." Flags come and go and they are not intended for use by regular users. Based on the fact that the flag can be enabled automatically via random field testing, I assume the flag will disappear soon in the future, and the feature will be on. This is the price of using Chrome unfortunately. It's not like there's a shortage of browsers. For now, the flags works perfectly. If it stops working, well, let's just say I'm not married to Google.
[gentoo-user] Re : kernel delay
180924 J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: >> I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) >> that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring 2017, >> which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. > Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. > Which are you referring to? I wrote above 'had', not 'has' : look at the list archive for details. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in
> On Sep 24, 2018, at 10:20, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > There is an option for this, actually. Go to: > > chrome://flags/#account-consistency > > and set it to "Disabled." > Flags come and go and they are not intended for use by regular users. Based on the fact that the flag can be enabled automatically via random field testing, I assume the flag will disappear soon in the future, and the feature will be on. This is the price of using Chrome unfortunately. Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:59:02 PM CEST Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:42 AM Philip Webb wrote: > > He's 48 yo & beginning to age a bit & it's no threat to anyone > > if he's decided to take a break for a few kernel cycles. > > ++ Nobody owns Linus. Except maybe his wife ;) > By now the kernel should be at a point where > others can manage the workflow if he isn't around. I would assume so.
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: > 180924 Alan Grimes wrote: > > Whatever SJWs touch, DIES. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA > > https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ > > https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/ > > I read the texts via LWN. Linus has been the sergeant-major > who has to yell at the troops sometimes, when they get sloppy. > He's a brilliant software engineer & generally knows how to herd cats. > > The problem seems to have arisen when he arranged a family holiday > which clashed with an important Linux conference > & irritated a lot of important people in the corporate Linux world. > He's 48 yo & beginning to age a bit & it's no threat to anyone > if he's decided to take a break for a few kernel cycles. > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring 2017, > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. Which are you referring to? -- Joost
[gentoo-user] ganeti upgrade question
Hi, I have an hypervisor running gentoo. The ganeti version currently installed is 2.15.2-r5. Emerge asks me to unmask 2.15.2-r7 in order to install ghc-8 and upgrade dev-haskell/snap-core and dev-haskell/snap-server. However app-emulation/ganeti-2.15.2-r7 is marked as ~arch and pulls sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.181, which is also ~arch. Is it safe to run those versions in production? Thanks, -- Alarig
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On 2018.09.24 08:59, Rich Freeman wrote: ++ Nobody owns Linus. Ain't that the truth, even if it is a typo. Jack
Re: [gentoo-user] march cflag for Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2160 SLA8Z Malay processor
On 9/23/18 3:09 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:00:39AM +0300, gevisz wrote >> , 19 . 2018 ??. ?? 11:38, Walter Dnes : > >>> According to >>> http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SLA8Z.html it has... >>> >>> MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 >> >> Do you mean that it would be enough to set >> CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe mmx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3" >> without setting the march cflag at all? > > Yes, that would work. Remember also to include in make.conf > > CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx mmxext sse sse2 sse3 ssse3" > > In your jpeg image, I see that the flags include mmx, sse, sse2, pni, > and ssse3. "pni" == "Prescott New Instructions" == "SSE3". Looking at > https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-7.3.0/gcc/x86-Options.html#x86-Options > I suggest "-march=core2" with CPU_FLAGS_X86 same as above. The "core2" > option uses MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3 and SSSE3 instructions, all of which > show up in the listing on your jpeg. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE3 >> SSE3, Streaming SIMD Extensions 3, also known by its Intel code name >> Prescott New Instructions (PNI), is the third iteration of the SSE >> instruction set for the IA-32 (x86) architecture. > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/CPU_FLAGS_X86 and similar wiki pages are good links to reference. MG (M. Gorny) has blogged on this subject too:: https://nlug.ml1.co.uk/2016/09/gentoo-portage-cpu_flags_x86-introduction-2015-01-28/5332 I'd be interested in blogs, irc, docs, etc, where distcc is being used as part of a (gentoo-centric) CI/CD and/or cross-compiling for smaller/older target systems, of any architecture (arm or mips or x86 or ?). James
Re: [gentoo-user] march cflag for Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2160 SLA8Z Malay processor
On 9/23/18 3:20 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:00:39AM +0300, gevisz wrote >> , 19 . 2018 ??. ?? 11:38, Walter Dnes : > >>> According to >>> http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SLA8Z.html it has... >>> >>> MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 >> >> Do you mean that it would be enough to set >> CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe mmx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3" >> without setting the march cflag at all? > > Yes, that would work. Remember also to include in make.conf > > CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx mmxext sse sse2 sse3 ssse3" > > In your jpeg image, I see that the flags include mmx, sse, sse2, pni, > and ssse3. "pni" == "Prescott New Instructions" == "SSE3". Looking at > https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-7.3.0/gcc/x86-Options.html#x86-Options > I suggest "-march=core2" with CPU_FLAGS_X86 same as above. The "core2" > option uses MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3 and SSSE3 instructions, all of which > show up in the listing on your jpeg. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE3 >> SSE3, Streaming SIMD Extensions 3, also known by its Intel code name >> Prescott New Instructions (PNI), is the third iteration of the SSE >> instruction set for the IA-32 (x86) architecture. > Here is some short docs (by MG) on the subject, that are good to save for future reference:: https://nlug.ml1.co.uk/2016/09/gentoo-portage-cpu_flags_x86-introduction-2015-01-28/5332 or in the gentoo wiki:: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/CPU_FLAGS_X86 Note, some years ago, distcc was excellent as I used it daily. Like most codes it changes/stresses over the years. So follow distcc details closely if you intend for it's dependable results. Perhaps someone (gentoo) is using it in a CI/CD configuration, which would be of keen interest to many. hth, James
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in
On 24/09/2018 10:09, Andrew Udvare wrote: I can understand not wanting this feature but unfortunately Google does not believe in options when it comes to Chrome. They are always removing or obscuring them. They seem to have a feeling that if there are options (more than one good default setting), something is wrong. There is an option for this, actually. Go to: chrome://flags/#account-consistency and set it to "Disabled."
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in
On Monday, 24 September 2018 13:47:05 BST Andrew Udvare wrote: > > On 2018-09-24, at 06:29, Mick wrote: > > > > > > Unless I understood this wrong, 'Google Chrome' will not be able to > > perform > > this (dis)service, unless you have enabled the "Offer to save passwords" > > feature AND|OR you use Chrome to sign in to an Alphabet related website. > > This is not necessarily true because AFAIK it works by taking the session > generated from within Google's main sign on page and applying that session > to the browser. > > Is Chromium also affected by this? > > Yes. :-( This is worse than I expected. OK, therefore never signing into Google's systems with Chromium is the only way to stop this invasion of privacy. Thankfully, we still have Firefox. ;-) I assume closing the browser terminates the session and login, both in the browser and in the Google websites. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:42 AM Philip Webb wrote: > > The problem seems to have arisen when he arranged a family holiday > which clashed with an important Linux conference > & irritated a lot of important people in the corporate Linux world. I can't imagine that it helped when they moved the conference to where he was going to be. If somebody had booked flights months ago to get lower rates, had hotels reserved, and so on, then that is a lot of rebooking, change fees, and so on, and chances are the accommodations aren't the same as what you'd have gotten with planning ahead. > He's 48 yo & beginning to age a bit & it's no threat to anyone > if he's decided to take a break for a few kernel cycles. ++ Nobody owns Linus. By now the kernel should be at a point where others can manage the workflow if he isn't around. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in
> On 2018-09-24, at 06:29, Mick wrote: > > > Unless I understood this wrong, 'Google Chrome' will not be able to perform > this (dis)service, unless you have enabled the "Offer to save passwords" > feature AND|OR you use Chrome to sign in to an Alphabet related website. This is not necessarily true because AFAIK it works by taking the session generated from within Google's main sign on page and applying that session to the browser. > > Is Chromium also affected by this? Yes. -- Andrew Udvare
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
180924 Alan Grimes wrote: > Whatever SJWs touch, DIES. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA > https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ > https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/ I read the texts via LWN. Linus has been the sergeant-major who has to yell at the troops sometimes, when they get sloppy. He's a brilliant software engineer & generally knows how to herd cats. The problem seems to have arisen when he arranged a family holiday which clashed with an important Linux conference & irritated a lot of important people in the corporate Linux world. He's 48 yo & beginning to age a bit & it's no threat to anyone if he's decided to take a break for a few kernel cycles. I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring 2017, which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. As for New Yorker + their drama queen Ms Theythem, they're simply trying to cash in on the incident to promote themselves. The rest of us should concentrate on the real world + its many problems. My CAD 0,02 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Trouble on the horizon!
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 24/09/2018 13:11, R0b0t1 wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Nikos Chantziaras >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> To me it looks like youtubers and some sites trying to make money through >>> clickbait? >>> >> >> If you had not heard of it elsewhere the Linux code of conduct was >> amended. It makes the CoC similar to those of other projects where >> there are a number of (usually nontechnical) contributors who identify >> as a champion of social justice. >> [...] > > Well, if kernel developers are fine with that, then I don't see how that's > relevant to anyone who isn't a kernel dev. If they want to adopt social > justice politics, that's really their prerogative. > > I suspect why he posted it is at least a few developers do not want this to happen. Other large projects have had similar turmoil, but there is usually no remedy if you disagree. E.g. Django(?) had a large patch committed that changed the names of master/slave to something else as the terms were considered abusive by what looks to be a minority.
[gentoo-user] Re: Trouble on the horizon!
On 24/09/2018 13:11, R0b0t1 wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: To me it looks like youtubers and some sites trying to make money through clickbait? If you had not heard of it elsewhere the Linux code of conduct was amended. It makes the CoC similar to those of other projects where there are a number of (usually nontechnical) contributors who identify as a champion of social justice. [...] Well, if kernel developers are fine with that, then I don't see how that's relevant to anyone who isn't a kernel dev. If they want to adopt social justice politics, that's really their prerogative.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in
On Monday, 24 September 2018 08:09:30 BST Andrew Udvare wrote: > > On 2018-09-24, at 02:47, Adam Carter wrote: > > > > From: > > https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2018/09/23/why-im-leaving-chrome > > / > > > > "A few weeks ago Google shipped an update to Chrome that fundamentally > > changes the sign-in experience. From now on, every time you log into a > > Google property (for example, Gmail), Chrome will automatically sign the > > browser into your Google account for you. It’ll do this without asking, > > or even explicitly notifying you. (However, and this is important: Google > > developers claim this will not actually start synchronizing your data to > > Google — yet. See further below.)" > I use the Google features, with many Google accounts including ones I have > no control of like work accounts. I have many Chrome profiles to avoid the > confusion that Google is trying to solve with this feature. I wish they > would solve it in a better way like allowing multiple user accounts open in > one session complete with multi-account Gmail and others. I can understand > that other users may not ever figure out to create separate profiles. > > I can understand not wanting this feature but unfortunately Google does not > believe in options when it comes to Chrome. They are always removing or > obscuring them. They seem to have a feeling that if there are options (more > than one good default setting), something is wrong. Unless I understood this wrong, 'Google Chrome' will not be able to perform this (dis)service, unless you have enabled the "Offer to save passwords" feature AND|OR you use Chrome to sign in to an Alphabet related website. If you value your privacy you can leave the "Offer to save passwords" setting disabled, or can use a profile where this is not enabled and can also avoid ever using Chrome to sign in to any of Alphabet's creations. Is Chromium also affected by this? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Trouble on the horizon!
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > To me it looks like youtubers and some sites trying to make money through > clickbait? > If you had not heard of it elsewhere the Linux code of conduct was amended. It makes the CoC similar to those of other projects where there are a number of (usually nontechnical) contributors who identify as a champion of social justice. The second link is not horrible, but I think is badly formatted. Here is a picture for you: https://4bds6hergc-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/croraline-meritocracy.jpg. The last link is actually very informative. I would recommend reading it. Some contributors have apparently threatened to revoke the license to their code which is now in Linux. My personal opinion is that generally these CoC documents do not do what they set out to do. Even without a contributor agreement people can be and are ejected from projects for any reason. However, the particular entourage that follows these CoCs can be harmful for a community due to the regularity they find offense with other people. You find under the "SJW" label people who think a man accused of rape has no legal rights, etc... So CoC violations tend to devolve into witchhunts. My personal experience was that I was not really able to go to school because of my gender. I am male. I had female classmates with worse grades than I did that had school completely paid for due to scholarships. If I tried to say this to some people they would blow up in my face because of my race and gender, but would claim they are not racist or sexist. It is fine to say not everyone is like that, but trying to divorce a movement from its most vocal subgroups is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman. Cheers, R0b0t1
[gentoo-user] Re: Trouble on the horizon!
On 24/09/2018 10:02, Alan Grimes wrote: Whatever SJWs touch, DIES. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/ To me it looks like youtubers and some sites trying to make money through clickbait?
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
> Whatever SJWs touch, DIES. What do you think will be the outcome in this case? What will die and what be the indicator of death? > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA > > https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ > > https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/ > > > > -- > Please report bounces from this address to a...@numentics.com > > Powers are not rights. > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in
> On 2018-09-24, at 02:47, Adam Carter wrote: > > From: > https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2018/09/23/why-im-leaving-chrome/ > > "A few weeks ago Google shipped an update to Chrome that fundamentally > changes the sign-in experience. From now on, every time you log into a Google > property (for example, Gmail), Chrome will automatically sign the browser > into your Google account for you. It’ll do this without asking, or even > explicitly notifying you. (However, and this is important: Google developers > claim this will not actually start synchronizing your data to Google — yet. > See further below.)" I use the Google features, with many Google accounts including ones I have no control of like work accounts. I have many Chrome profiles to avoid the confusion that Google is trying to solve with this feature. I wish they would solve it in a better way like allowing multiple user accounts open in one session complete with multi-account Gmail and others. I can understand that other users may not ever figure out to create separate profiles. I can understand not wanting this feature but unfortunately Google does not believe in options when it comes to Chrome. They are always removing or obscuring them. They seem to have a feeling that if there are options (more than one good default setting), something is wrong. -- Andrew Udvare
[gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
Whatever SJWs touch, DIES. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/ -- Please report bounces from this address to a...@numentics.com Powers are not rights.
[gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in
From: https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2018/09/23/why-im-leaving-chrome/ "A few weeks ago Google shipped an update to Chrome that fundamentally changes the sign-in experience. From now on, every time you log into a Google property (for example, Gmail), Chrome will automatically *sign the browser into your Google account* for you. It’ll do this without asking, or even explicitly notifying you. (However, and this is important: Google developers claim this will not actually start synchronizing your data to Google — yet. See further below.)"
