Re: [gentoo-user] youtube-dl has been very slow
I've been short on time, but just wanted to jump in and say that it still seems to be working fine. If anything blows up I'll post on this thread. Thanks again to everyone for the assistance.
Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland assorted problems
On 2021.11.14 17:51, Wol wrote: I'm still trying to get Wayland to work reliably. At the moment I log in at a TTY, then fire it up with "startplasma-wayland" ... except it doesn't start properly! Seems to work fine for me (with minimal testing.) I'm GUESSING part of the problem is my video card isn't set up properly. But I thought I'd followed the gentoo guide, and compiled the Radeon and R600 drivers into my kernel. I prefer to compile stuff in the kernel and not as modules, and I told it to load the drivers into the kernel, but am worried I might have missed something. I've changed it for the next kernel so it'll be a module loading what it wants from the firmware directory, so hopefully that'll be better but I'm not sure. I did an lspci -k and got this for the video card ... 09:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710 [Radeon HD 4350/4550] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. RV710 [Radeon HD 4350/4550] Kernel driver in use: radeon Kernel modules: radeon 1c:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde XT [Radeon HD 7770/8760 / R7 250X] Subsystem: XFX Pine Group Inc. Cape Verde XT [Radeon HD 7770/8760 / R7 250X] Kernel driver in use: radeon Kernel modules: radeon, amdgpu I notice it says "VGA compatible", and not what the wiki page leads me to expect - something like "Video driver" - which makes me think the card isn't set up properly. The symptoms basically are that wayland always hangs the first attempt to start it. Once killed from another tty it MAY (or may not) start successfully. I mentioned Thunderbird - that keeps on losing contact with the compositor or something which is why it keeps crashing ... No crash, although I didn't run it very long. And I run a multi-user system. I tried to fire up wayland as a second user, and got the error kwin_xwl: /tmp/.X11-unix is not owned by root or us Of course it isn't - it's not a user specific link so of course it's going to clash with another user! When you run multiple copies of xorg, each one runs in a different console. I wouldn't be surprised if wayland simply isn't set up to do that. I attach the wayland log I got in case it gives anybody any other clues as to what's going on. The attached log includes the above kwin error. Can you post one where there isn't another wayland session running? I'd also confirm that directory does go away when no X or wayland is running. You might need to manually delete it. Jack
Re: [gentoo-user] Why has genkernel initramfs changed behaviour!?
On 18/11/21 7:24 am, Jack wrote: > On 2021.11.17 18:15, Wol wrote: >> Just filed bug 824282. >> >> In the past, I've always done "make kernel, make kernel_modules, make >> install, make modules_install, genkernel initramfs ...". >> >> This worked fine, and I then ran grub-mkconfig, sorted out grub.cfg, >> and all was well. >> >> My new setup, I have a /boot WHICH I WANT TO SORT OUT MYSELF! I got >> thoroughly confused because genkernel was finding /boot in fstab, >> mounting it by default, and sticking the initramfs there. So of >> course, grub-mkconfig screwed up because the kernel was in the /boot >> directory, but the initramfs was in the /boot partition! >> >> So I told genkernel not to mount the boot partition ... >> >> WAH WAH WAH FATAL ERROR YOU WON'T LET ME MOUNT BOOT SULK SULK SULK. >> >> If I tell it not to mount boot then that's my lookout, not for >> genconfig to nanny me and sulk! >> >> >> And it gets worse. I've always done "make modules_install, genkernel >> initramfs". Which now seems to be an unsupported option. genkernel is >> now looking in /var/tmp/genkernel/... for the modules - no surprise >> the modules aren't there! The error says "did you forget to compile >> the kernel" - no I didn't - it is compiled, the modules are >> installed, I just didn't use genkernel to do it. >> >> Why oh why does everything change ... for the worse ... now let's see >> if allowing it to mount the boot partition makes it work properly ... >> >> and allowing it to mount boot made everything work perfectly afaict >> ... what a mess ... >> >> Cheers, >> Wol > I have no problem telling genkernel not to mount ./boot, but then I > always have /boot mounted, so I suppose it might not complain only > because it's set up the way it wants it anyway. > > I also use genkernel to compile the kernel and modules, but I do "make > xconfig" to set my own choice of options, and tell genkernel to skip > any of that configuring. I've had no problems with doing it that > way. if you want, I can send you a copy of my genkernel.conf. I > launch it with "genkernel --no-gpg --lvm --firmware --microcode > --kernel-append-localversion=$1 all | tee genkern.log 2>&1" so I can > have multiple versions of the same kernel version (usually because I > want to test some different setting, but don't want the original to be > overwritten in case the new version doesn't work or just doesn't do > what I want. > > Jack > I agree something is amiss in the current genkernel. I have a raspberry pi with a number of OS variants in separate partitions that I maintain via chroot's ... genkernel somehow mounted /boot into the chroot properly clobbering things there by putting a 32bit kernel in /boot for the 64bit OS ... BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] Why has genkernel initramfs changed behaviour!?
On 2021.11.17 18:15, Wol wrote: Just filed bug 824282. In the past, I've always done "make kernel, make kernel_modules, make install, make modules_install, genkernel initramfs ...". This worked fine, and I then ran grub-mkconfig, sorted out grub.cfg, and all was well. My new setup, I have a /boot WHICH I WANT TO SORT OUT MYSELF! I got thoroughly confused because genkernel was finding /boot in fstab, mounting it by default, and sticking the initramfs there. So of course, grub-mkconfig screwed up because the kernel was in the /boot directory, but the initramfs was in the /boot partition! So I told genkernel not to mount the boot partition ... WAH WAH WAH FATAL ERROR YOU WON'T LET ME MOUNT BOOT SULK SULK SULK. If I tell it not to mount boot then that's my lookout, not for genconfig to nanny me and sulk! And it gets worse. I've always done "make modules_install, genkernel initramfs". Which now seems to be an unsupported option. genkernel is now looking in /var/tmp/genkernel/... for the modules - no surprise the modules aren't there! The error says "did you forget to compile the kernel" - no I didn't - it is compiled, the modules are installed, I just didn't use genkernel to do it. Why oh why does everything change ... for the worse ... now let's see if allowing it to mount the boot partition makes it work properly ... and allowing it to mount boot made everything work perfectly afaict ... what a mess ... Cheers, Wol I have no problem telling genkernel not to mount ./boot, but then I always have /boot mounted, so I suppose it might not complain only because it's set up the way it wants it anyway. I also use genkernel to compile the kernel and modules, but I do "make xconfig" to set my own choice of options, and tell genkernel to skip any of that configuring. I've had no problems with doing it that way. if you want, I can send you a copy of my genkernel.conf. I launch it with "genkernel --no-gpg --lvm --firmware --microcode --kernel-append-localversion=$1 all | tee genkern.log 2>&1" so I can have multiple versions of the same kernel version (usually because I want to test some different setting, but don't want the original to be overwritten in case the new version doesn't work or just doesn't do what I want. Jack
[gentoo-user] Why has genkernel initramfs changed behaviour!?
Just filed bug 824282. In the past, I've always done "make kernel, make kernel_modules, make install, make modules_install, genkernel initramfs ...". This worked fine, and I then ran grub-mkconfig, sorted out grub.cfg, and all was well. My new setup, I have a /boot WHICH I WANT TO SORT OUT MYSELF! I got thoroughly confused because genkernel was finding /boot in fstab, mounting it by default, and sticking the initramfs there. So of course, grub-mkconfig screwed up because the kernel was in the /boot directory, but the initramfs was in the /boot partition! So I told genkernel not to mount the boot partition ... WAH WAH WAH FATAL ERROR YOU WON'T LET ME MOUNT BOOT SULK SULK SULK. If I tell it not to mount boot then that's my lookout, not for genconfig to nanny me and sulk! And it gets worse. I've always done "make modules_install, genkernel initramfs". Which now seems to be an unsupported option. genkernel is now looking in /var/tmp/genkernel/... for the modules - no surprise the modules aren't there! The error says "did you forget to compile the kernel" - no I didn't - it is compiled, the modules are installed, I just didn't use genkernel to do it. Why oh why does everything change ... for the worse ... now let's see if allowing it to mount the boot partition makes it work properly ... and allowing it to mount boot made everything work perfectly afaict ... what a mess ... Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland assorted problems
On 17/11/2021 20:59, Wol wrote: On 17/11/2021 19:13, Marco Rebhan wrote: On Sunday, 14 November 2021 23:51:37 CET Wol wrote: I'm still trying to get Wayland to work reliably. At the moment I log in at a TTY, then fire it up with "startplasma-wayland" ... except it doesn't start properly! Have you tried starting it with "dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland"? IIRC that's needed and it won't start correctly without, at least I start it that way on my system. I'll try that (again) but I know first time round I was trying all sorts of ways, and it probably included that, and didn't seem to have any effect. Well, just tried starting wayland again (my system locked up so I had to reboot), and wayland won't start. With or without dbus-run-session. Weirdly, I've noticed it seems to start working after a kernel upgrade, and then won't start again after a reboot or two ... WHY!?!? Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland assorted problems
On 17/11/2021 19:13, Marco Rebhan wrote: On Sunday, 14 November 2021 23:51:37 CET Wol wrote: I'm still trying to get Wayland to work reliably. At the moment I log in at a TTY, then fire it up with "startplasma-wayland" ... except it doesn't start properly! Have you tried starting it with "dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland"? IIRC that's needed and it won't start correctly without, at least I start it that way on my system. I'll try that (again) but I know first time round I was trying all sorts of ways, and it probably included that, and didn't seem to have any effect. Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland assorted problems
On 2021.11.14 17:51, Wol wrote: I'm still trying to get Wayland to work reliably. At the moment I log in at a TTY, then fire it up with "startplasma-wayland" ... except it doesn't start properly! I'm GUESSING part of the problem is my video card isn't set up properly. But I thought I'd followed the gentoo guide, and compiled the Radeon and R600 drivers into my kernel. I prefer to compile stuff in the kernel and not as modules, and I told it to load the drivers into the kernel, but am worried I might have missed something. I've changed it for the next kernel so it'll be a module loading what it wants from the firmware directory, so hopefully that'll be better but I'm not sure. I did an lspci -k and got this for the video card ... 09:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710 [Radeon HD 4350/4550] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. RV710 [Radeon HD 4350/4550] Kernel driver in use: radeon Kernel modules: radeon I notice it says "VGA compatible", and not what the wiki page leads me to expect - something like "Video driver" - which makes me think the card isn't set up properly. I haven't tried Wayland in quite a while, but this motivates me to try again soon. However, my equivalent line is: 1c:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde XT [Radeon HD 7770/8760 / R7 250X] and Wayland did run for me when I last tried it. What wiki page are you looking at, since I don't see any reference to "video driver." The symptoms basically are that wayland always hangs the first attempt to start it. Once killed from another tty it MAY (or may not) start successfully. I mentioned Thunderbird - that keeps on losing contact with the compositor or something which is why it keeps crashing ... And I run a multi-user system. I tried to fire up wayland as a second user, and got the error kwin_xwl: /tmp/.X11-unix is not owned by root or us Of course it isn't - it's not a user specific link so of course it's going to clash with another user! I attach the wayland log I got in case it gives anybody any other clues as to what's going on. Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] Any decent alternative to Thunderbird?
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 17:57:30 +, Wols Lists wrote: > > +1 for Claws Mail; and it does run on Windows. > > > I'll have to try Claws - my make.conf includes -gtk -gnome, so > Evolution isn't a very good fit ... Claws uses gtk, but it is a hard dependency so not affected by your USE flags. I've used it for years, on KDE, and am happy with it. -- Neil Bothwick I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died. pgp2ZmmF3KJ6q.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Any decent alternative to Thunderbird?
On 17/11/2021 11:55, Róbert Čerňanský wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:39:14 -0800 Jigme Datse wrote: I'm using Claws Mail though I'm not sure if it is a valid answer, I do know that it's the answer I have decided on. Yes, Thunderbird is still installed, but I don't have a clue when I last used it. The last time, was when I wanted to see if things in Thunderbird were working better (for a specific message) than in Claws Mail. And no, not really. Though it may have been useful for that specific message. +1 for Claws Mail; and it does run on Windows. I'll have to try Claws - my make.conf includes -gtk -gnome, so Evolution isn't a very good fit ... Cheers, Wol
[gentoo-user] Re: Any decent alternative to Thunderbird?
On 2021-11-17, Róbert Čerňanský wrote: > +1 for Claws Mail; and it does run on Windows. I don't suppose Claws will talk to MS Exchange unless IMAP/SMTP are enabled? I'm currently using Hiri, but getting fed up with the bugs and lack of features. It looks like Thunderbird with the OWL plugin is the only other option that understands the OWA protocol. I'm a bit confused regarding Evolution, apparently it used to support OWA, but all the recent documentation I can find only mentions EWS, and AFAICT that's a different protocol. I'd install it and try, but it requires something like 30 other packages as dependencies. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Any decent alternative to Thunderbird?
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:39:14 -0800 Jigme Datse wrote: > I'm using Claws Mail though I'm not sure if it is a valid answer, I do > know that it's the answer I have decided on. Yes, Thunderbird is > still installed, but I don't have a clue when I last used it. The > last time, was when I wanted to see if things in Thunderbird were > working better (for a specific message) than in Claws Mail. And no, > not really. Though it may have been useful for that specific message. +1 for Claws Mail; and it does run on Windows. Robert -- Róbert Čerňanský E-mail: ope...@tightmail.com Jabber: h...@jabber.sk
