Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] emerge kde

2006-05-02 Thread Lars Weiler
* Mark M. Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06/05/01 15:44 -0700]:
 About how many days does it take to emerge kde on a beige G3 233mhz desktop?
 It’s been going 3 days, and it’s still on package 44 of 80 …

…long…

It even takes about 2 to 3 days on a G4 1GHz.  Why don't you
use the pre-compiled G3-packages on the packages-CD?

Regards, Lars

PS: More RAM will speed up the process.

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RE: [gentoo-ppc-user] emerge kde

2006-05-02 Thread Mark M. Hart

I've never downloaded the packages cd.  I guess I should do that!

Thanks!

Mark M. Hart
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To: gentoo-ppc-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] emerge kde

* Mark M. Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06/05/01 15:44 -0700]:
 About how many days does it take to emerge kde on a beige G3 233mhz
desktop?
 It’s been going 3 days, and it’s still on package 44 of 80 …

…long…

It even takes about 2 to 3 days on a G4 1GHz.  Why don't you
use the pre-compiled G3-packages on the packages-CD?

Regards, Lars

PS: More RAM will speed up the process.

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[gentoo-ppc-user] OF device trees needed for work on Windfarm thermal drivers

2006-05-02 Thread Robin H. Johnson
Apologies for the cross posting, but I wanted to reach both audiences of PPC.

I'm working on the windfarm thermal drivers, trying to support:
- absolutely all of the sensors available
- write windfarm modules for as-yet unported or unwritten machines
  (Current list is PowerMac3,6 PowerMac7,2, PowerMac12,1).

I only have a PowerMac11,2 myself, but I'm making reasonable progress so
far. I do however need the device trees from the machines to get stuff
cleaned up and do my own reasonable validation that it will work before
actually testing it on the hardware.

I'm looking for the /proc/device-tree/ data for the following machines:
PowerMac3,6
PowerMac8,1
PowerMac8,2
PowerMac9,1
RackMac3,1
(check in /proc/cpuinfo if you need to know what your machine is).

I already have the trees for:
PowerBook4,3
PowerMac11,2
PowerMac12,1
PowerMac7,2
PowerMac7,3

If your machine is in neither of the two above lists, but is still G4 or
newer (iBook/PowerBook/PowerMac/iMac), I'd appreciate your device tree
as well, to see if windfarm is perhaps usable on your hardware.

There is a potential question of legality of having this data in some
parts of the world, so I'd like the tarballs to me mailed to me
directly, and not posted to the lists.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Skwar

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sunday 30 April 2006 08:47 am, Alexander Skwar wrote:

wu chuanwen wrote:
 2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when
 you run

 emerge -vpt mozilla-firefox


 I get this:
 [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2 [1.5.0.1-r4]
 USE=gnome ipv6 -debug -java -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 37 kB

Do you really need ipv6? I doubt that this has anything to
do with the problem at hand, but if you don't need it, you
should remove it. If you don't know anything about ipv6,
it's very probable that you don't need it.


IPV6 is a protocol


Yep.


that is (AFAIK) just a layer below TCP/IP.


Wrong. Besides: just a layer below TCP/IP makes no sense.
TCP/IP is a protocol family. Two of those members are IPv4
and IPv6. Now, what's just a layer below TCP/IP supposed
to mean?

I wouldn't 
remove it if I were you.


Why not? Why leave in things, which are not needed and which
are known to possibly cause problems?


Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager.


I don't see how that would help anything.


It would help, if the problem is on his side, caused by bad
settings in his profile. If everything's faster with a blank
profile, he knows for sure, that the problems were caused
by his old profile.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Skwar

Graham Murray wrote:

Nich Steicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


No, this is simply wrong - IPV6 is the next generation protocol we are
currently using IPV4 - why IPV6 is a default build flag i would have
no idea, as from what i can see, it will be a good while before IPV6
actually becomes implemented.


IPv6 is already implemented. 


Certainly. But this still doesn't answer, why it is a default build
flag? As it is right now, only a minority of users is able to use
IPv6. Why aren't other minority USE Flags enabled?

It makes no sense to have IPv6 enabled for everyone.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Skwar

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sunday 30 April 2006 05:59 am, Alexander Skwar wrote:

wu chuanwen wrote:



Not really.


You most likely either have a faster machine


Celeron M Notebook with 1.5 GHz. Not what I'd call fast :) And
768M ram.


or have already tweaked yours.


No.


Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager.


This is something like the third time you've suggested this.


You counted? :)

 Please explain 
how this will help.  I'm serious: I don't see how this could help.


My assumption: Problem is caused by bad settings, which includes
extensions or themes. If problem goes away with a new/blank profile,
we know where the problem is.

Further, it's a way of working/debugging - you reset everything
to a known working set of things, which is the blank profile.
After that, you re-add things, until it breaks again. As soon
as it breaks, you've got your culprit.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Skwar

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sunday 30 April 2006 01:11 pm, Jeff Rollin wrote:

I didn't say DG_DISABLE_DEBUG was a USE flag, I said it was a CFLAG. And it
improves the speed of KDE applications too


So, can you please tell me how to do this?


Please read the manual. It explains how to set something like this.
make.conf is the appropriate file.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Skwar

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 01 May 2006 07:55 am, Justin Patrin wrote:

On 4/30/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kesara Rathnayake wrote:
 PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML
 even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time.

It may default to HTML now, as do Yahoo and Hotmail, but it's an
easy thing to turn off. I'm still using gmail in text-only mode.


It doesn't default to HTML.


Yes, it does. Why do you think, that close to all the gmail users
are sending out HTML mails?


 It defaults to RTF,


No, it doesn't. It doesn't even send out RTF. It's either
HTML or plain text, what you can compose on gmail.

and even then you can 
change that.


Sure, no doubt about that. I fail to understand though, why
GMail sends out HTML, if there's no formatting in the mail,
which would require HTML. IMO, it should behave like Mozilla:
If you compose a mail in the HTML coposer and the mail has
no HTML elements, a text/plain will be created. THAT is the
proper way to go.


(I hate HTML mailand I hate Outlook even more.)


Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the universe.  


They are not. Lotus Notes beats them to that.


They're too slow


Not really.

and bloated to do anything, and they don't accept ANYTHING 
other than MS Exchange server


Wrt. Outlook Express, that's plain wrong. And wrt. Outlook: It's
wrong as well. Outlook CAN interface IMAP servers. But you'll
lose all the benefits of Outlook in this case.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Skwar

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:21 am, Alexander Skwar wrote:

Kesara Rathnayake wrote:
 I guess Firefox is slow now because of whole lot of Extentions that we
 used today.

To find out, I asked OP to create a blank profile. I also assume
a local problem at his side. OP should simply create a new profile
and report back.

Alexander Skwar

PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML
even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time.


I used the GMail web interface for a long time and it defaulted to plain text 
for me.


This might be correct. However on new accounts, HTML is used.
If you don't believe me, simply create a new account, and you'll
see.


 If I changed to rich-text the next time it'd default to RTF.


No, it most certainly did not. Who accepts RTF?

 I 
changed it to plain-text and then it defaulted the next time to (you guessed 
it) plain text.


Yep. This means, it accepts your user settings, but it doesn't say
anything about the defaults.


 I don't know what you're complaining about.


I complain about HTML mails and about the fact, that Gmail defaults
to HTML mails, despite what you're writing.

 Perhaps you 
tried it at a time when they hadn't yet corrected that bug?


What bug? The bug, that the default is, that HTML mails
are composed?

Actually, I don't think it is a bug - I rather think, it's
a business decision.

 It's still in 
the beta stage, you know.


As if anything on Google is NOT in beta...


Another thing that sucks, is that HTML mails are permitted on this
list. Why not just dump the HTML part (and every other attachment)?


Why not,


Makes mails larger, without adding anything useful (normally).
Further, it makes mails a bit harder to read and harder to
quote.

eg. the mail which I quoted: In HTML, it's about 1179 bytes. In
text/plain, it is 729 bytes. And actually, the HTML caused
overhead is even more, as the 2nd MIME part (the HTML part)
caused additional headers to be added. Those are an additional
378 bytes.

So, in this case, we've got a mail of (at least) 2286 bytes,
where 729 bytes would have been sufficient.

if it irks you so much, make a script that will change RTF/HTML to 
Plaintext?


That's not a useful advice. I'd have to accept the (normally)
uselessly bloated mail first and then strip it. Makes no sense.


 It wouldn't be terribly difficult...


Depends.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Farhan Ahmed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (snip)
 
 So I went through all those different USE flags, and added ones I knew I 
 could 
 add without anything blowing up.  This is what I get:
 
 # These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically 
 built this stage
 # Please consult /etc/make.conf.example for a more detailed example
 #CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe
 CFLAGS=-march=i686 -O2 -pipe

I'd suggest CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer

 CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
 CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}

CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden

 MAKEOPTS=

MAKEOPTS=-j2

 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=

If you wish to have latest packages, change ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86, it
might make your system a bit unstable but going through my experience it
has not broken a thing in my system.

Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf

LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common

 USE= X a52 aac alsa apache2 acpi arts audiofile avi berkdb bitmap-fonts 
 bzip2 
 cdr cli crypt ctype cups dba eds directfb doc dri dvd dvdread elibc_glibc 
 emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat fam fastbuild foomaticdb 
 force-cgi-redirect fortran ftp gd gcj gdbm gif glut gmp gnome gpm gstreamer 
 gtk gtk2 gtkhtml guile hal hardened idn imlib ipv6 jpeg java javascript kde 
 kdexdeltas kernel_linux lcms libg++ libwww mad memlimit mikmod mhash mng 
 motif mozilla mime mmx mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl ogg opengl oss pam pcre 
 pdflib perl png posix python qt quicktime readline samba sdl session 
 simplexml slang soap sockets spell spl ssl sse sse2 svg tcltk tcpd tiff 
 tokenizer truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb udev userland_GNU vorbis 
 x86 xml xml2 xmms xsl xv zlib

Do you really need all these USE flags and features? I think not.. Add
USE flags that really are useful not add them just because they might
become useful sometime.. The more features you have in your packages,
the slower and more memory hungry they are.. Take a look at my USE
flags..

USE=-X -arts -apache2 -berkdb -cups -dri -eds -esd -gdbm -gnome
-gstreamer -gtk -gpm -xmms 3dnow acl bash-completion bzip2 fbcon hal lzo
mbox mmx nsplugin nvidia offensive sse svga tiff urandom

-X because I don't every application to be built with X support, -arts
because of the same reason.. The applications that i think will need X
support I add a line like this to /etc/portage/package.use

media-libs/imlib2 X

Also if i need to remove some support from packages, i add line like
this to /etc/portage/package.use

www-client/links -jpeg -png -sdl -svga -tiff

I also don't suggest hardened USE flag.. You most certainly don't need
them.. Trust me..

Add these lines to /etc/make.conf to further fine tune tour system..

VIDEO_CARDS=your video card #like nvidia, ati
INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse #add anything extra you've

Remember, always add the minimum USE flags you need to /etc/make.conf,
you should always tune your system to specific packages by adding USE
flags to be used for the specific package to /etc/portage/package.use

 (snip)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Sound problems with skype

2006-05-02 Thread Farhan Ahmed
Jer?nimo Backes wrote:
 (snip)
 
 Any other suggestions?
 

I'm using skype with KDE and kernel-2.6.16-x.. I don't have arts support
in any kde application and still skype runs fine.. Anyway i suggest you
try WengoPhone.. It's open source and is based upon open standards.. I'm
using it, the sound quality is better than Skype.. Check out their
website http://openwengo.org.. Gentoo even has a ebuild for it in
portage (net-im/wengophone)..

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:


   CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden


no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If you 
want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.


  MAKEOPTS=

   MAKEOPTS=-j2

-j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling is 
running in the background. 


  ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=


 Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf

   LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common

are you totally sure, that this do not break something? do this flags bring 
anything, that can not be archived with prelink?

Again, you might want to use them, but you should not tell somebody else to 
use them.-


  USE= X a52 aac alsa apache2 acpi arts audiofile avi berkdb bitmap-fonts
  bzip2 cdr cli crypt ctype cups dba eds directfb doc dri dvd dvdread
  elibc_glibc emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat fam fastbuild
  foomaticdb
  force-cgi-redirect fortran ftp gd gcj gdbm gif glut gmp gnome gpm
  gstreamer gtk gtk2 gtkhtml guile hal hardened idn imlib ipv6 jpeg java
  javascript kde kdexdeltas kernel_linux lcms libg++ libwww mad memlimit
  mikmod mhash mng motif mozilla mime mmx mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl ogg
  opengl oss pam pcre pdflib perl png posix python qt quicktime readline
  samba sdl session simplexml slang soap sockets spell spl ssl sse sse2 svg
  tcltk tcpd tiff tokenizer truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb udev
  userland_GNU vorbis x86 xml xml2 xmms xsl xv zlib

 Do you really need all these USE flags and features? I think not.. Add
 USE flags that really are useful not add them just because they might
 become useful sometime.. The more features you have in your packages,
 the slower and more memory hungry they are.. Take a look at my USE
 flags..

you think - but you don't know what he wants and needs.

btw, I would emerge ufed and work down the list


 USE=-X -arts -apache2 -berkdb -cups -dri -eds -esd -gdbm -gnome
 -gstreamer -gtk -gpm -xmms 3dnow acl bash-completion bzip2 fbcon hal lzo
 mbox mmx nsplugin nvidia offensive sse svga tiff urandom

 -X because I don't every application to be built with X support, -arts
 because of the same reason.. The applications that i think will need X
 support I add a line like this to /etc/portage/package.use

so you want to break douzends of packages for him? Why? -dri? Maybe he needs 
it? fbcon? Why? who needs it? You are telling him to deactivate usefull stuff 
and activate useless? Great!


   VIDEO_CARDS=your video card #like nvidia, ati
that is not needed anymore. Look into the use descriptions. Or even better, 
get familiar with ufed.


 Remember, always add the minimum USE flags you need to /etc/make.conf,
 you should always tune your system to specific packages by adding USE
 flags to be used for the specific package to /etc/portage/package.use

oh, yeah, increase the work and risk subtle breakage here and there 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Sound problems with skype

2006-05-02 Thread Jerônimo Backes



Anyway i suggest you
try WengoPhone.. It's open source and is based upon open standards.. I'm
using it, the sound quality is better than Skype.. Check out their
website http://openwengo.org.. Gentoo even has a ebuild for it in
portage (net-im/wengophone)..

Farhan Ahmed
  


Thanks a lot for your suggestion. But unfortunately, that package is 
masked. The ebuild says *missing keyword* for my AMD64. Well, I think 
I'll give a try to something else for now. What other alternatives (with 
voip support, of course) can I try?



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Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-kernel vs. gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread S. Schwartz
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 is there any reason not to try drver version 8756?
 6629 is very old. very, very old. Even older. It is old.
As I said, all other available versions in portage didn't compile or
load afterwards. Only one version (other than 6629, one of the 1.0.7...)
did both successfully but crashed when starting X.

 If the problem is still there, I would try vanilla kernel.
I'm not going to, since I believe I would be missing a lot of these
gentoo-patches. Anyway to me it seems that the nvidia-kernel ebuild
needs improvement (patching the stuff about remap_page_range and
pci_find_class).

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[gentoo-user] I can't get my wengophone account

2006-05-02 Thread Ptitjack
Hi all,

I just emerged Wengophone.
When I run Wengophone as user, I have to get my first Wengo account.
A new window is opening with : You don't have a Wengo account ? Click here.
Problem, the link does not work ! When I click on it, nothing happens !
What can I do ??
Thanks for your help,

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Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-kernel vs. gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Kirillov

is there any reason not to try drver version 8756?
6629 is very old. very, very old. Even older. It is old.


As I said, all other available versions in portage didn't compile or
load afterwards. Only one version (other than 6629, one of the 1.0.7...)
did both successfully but crashed when starting X.


I ran into the same problem after upgrading the kernel to 
gentoo-sources-2.6.16-r3.

And don't have any problems with most recent nvidia drivers:
media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8756
media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756
media-video/nvidia-settings-1.0.20051122-r3
Did you rebuild nvidia-glx and all the dependencies?
HTH,
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't get my wengophone account

2006-05-02 Thread David Morgan
On 12:24 Tue 02 May , Ptitjack wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I just emerged Wengophone.
 When I run Wengophone as user, I have to get my first Wengo account.
 A new window is opening with : You don't have a Wengo account ? Click here.
 Problem, the link does not work ! When I click on it, nothing happens !
 What can I do ??
 Thanks for your help,
 
 

What browswer do you have specified in preferred applications?
(gnome-control-center) - that could be the problem.


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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't get my wengophone account

2006-05-02 Thread Jacques Montier
David Morgan a gentiment tapote:
 On 12:24 Tue 02 May , Ptitjack wrote:
   
 Hi all,

 I just emerged Wengophone.
 When I run Wengophone as user, I have to get my first Wengo account.
 A new window is opening with : You don't have a Wengo account ? Click here.
 Problem, the link does not work ! When I click on it, nothing happens !
 What can I do ??
 Thanks for your help,


 

 What browswer do you have specified in preferred applications?
 (gnome-control-center) - that could be the problem.


   
I use Firefox-1.5, but i don't use gnome (XFCE4).

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-kernel vs. gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Kirillov

is there any reason not to try drver version 8756?
6629 is very old. very, very old. Even older. It is old.


As I said, all other available versions in portage didn't compile or
load afterwards. Only one version (other than 6629, one of the 1.0.7...)
did both successfully but crashed when starting X.


I ran into the same problem after upgrading the kernel to 
gentoo-sources-2.6.16-r3.

And don't have any problems with most recent nvidia drivers:
media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8756
media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756
media-video/nvidia-settings-1.0.20051122-r3
Did you rebuild nvidia-glx and all the dependencies?


Also you have to explicitly add the Modes you need
to Display SubSection in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
if you didn't already. As X doesn't build
a pool of available modes with this newer driver
and gets stuck in nvidia-auto-select mode:
/usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756/README.gz

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[gentoo-user] [OT] kill a child and suicide

2006-05-02 Thread Jorge Almeida

parent.sh
#!/bin/bash
do something
/path/to/child.sh
do something else

When parent.sh receives a TERM signal, I would like child.sh to receive
TERM also, and then parent.sh receive TERM.
The do something else part is why I can't use exec /path/to/child.sh. 
Is there some way to achieve this?


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Re: [gentoo-user] soundcards inconsistent

2006-05-02 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi,

Am Samstag, 29. April 2006 16:44 schrieb wu chuanwen:
 Hi!
 I don't konw why you need two soundcard! I just think that maybe one is
 enough.Once before I had two sound cards too,and at that time my gentoo can
 not have any sound(maybe not because  i had two soundcards but the init
 script).Anyway, I just reset my bios,and mask my first  soundcard which is
 in my board,and then the problem gone!Now everything is good!
 Maybe you can have a try if you don't need two soundcards!

as I wrote, one of them is connected to 5.1-System, the other is connected to 
my big stereo-amp. I need them both, cause this are two totally independent 
setups in one machine :)

Thanks anyways,
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Re: [gentoo-user] soundcards inconsistent

2006-05-02 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Mark,

Am Samstag, 29. April 2006 18:26 schrieb Mark Knecht:
  2006/4/19, Michael Schreckenbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 SNIP
 Add the following two lines. Set the order which ever way you want. 0
 will be your default card:
 options snd-ens1371 index=0
 options snd-ice1712 index=1
   options snd cards_limit=2

seems this solved my issues. No wrong sound-setup since I added this. I'll 
come back when the behaviour changes again :)

 Cheers,
 Mark

thanks a lot,
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Tero Grundström

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, wu chuanwen wrote:


Hi! Everybody!
I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?In my
machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and
even can not scroll up and down.Many peple have the same situation.Do you
think so? And how can you solve this problem?


Well, I recently switched to the binary version and to my surprise I 
found that it is much faster than the self compiled version. Especially 
the interface is much more responsive in the binary version. I don't know 
how it could be. Makes me really wonder where else I'm loosing speed on 
Gentoo...


My USE flags for the compiled version were minimal and cflags should be 
optimal.


I'd love to know how the binary version is built and if there are others 
who are experiencing the same phenomena.



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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] kill a child and suicide

2006-05-02 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 14:40, Jorge Almeida wrote:

 parent.sh
   #!/bin/bash
   do something
   /path/to/child.sh
   do something else

 When parent.sh receives a TERM signal, I would like child.sh to
 receive TERM also, and then parent.sh receive TERM.
 The do something else part is why I can't use exec
 /path/to/child.sh. Is there some way to achieve this?

I think (untested) you can do something like

trap 'kill pid of child' TERM

at then beginning of parent.sh. This way, when the parent recives TERM it 
in turn sends a TERM to the child. If you want the parent to terminate, 
add the exit command as well:

trap 'kill pid of child; exit 1' TERM

(don't know how the parent can wait for termination of child, but it 
should be possible I think)

man trap gives you the details.
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[gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Ronald V. Vazquez
Hello all:

I wanted to get some ideas from the list on how to clone a Gentoo box. 
Perhaps others on the list are interested as well.

Thanks,
RV


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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Teresa and Dale
Ronald V. Vazquez wrote:

Hello all:

I wanted to get some ideas from the list on how to clone a Gentoo box. 
Perhaps others on the list are interested as well.

Thanks,
RV


  


Do you mean to make one install then copy everything over to a new system? 

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread John Jolet
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Ronald V. Vazquez wrote:
 Hello all:

 I wanted to get some ideas from the list on how to clone a Gentoo box.
 Perhaps others on the list are interested as well.

 Thanks,
 RV
we've used 3 different ways: a program called systemimager (works great, but 
is made for redhat and getting it to work on gentoo was fairly non-trivial)
what i call a stage 4, install the system, then make a tarball of the whole 
thing (requires a storage medium that can store huge files)
partimage (stores each partition as a file) also requires a storage system 
that can take  2gb files

of those, the systemimager is the only one you can really do a pxeboot and 
install from.  but as I said, it requires some work and an infrastructure 
(including an image server and dhchp server you control)
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] kill a child and suicide

2006-05-02 Thread Jorge Almeida

On Tue, 2 May 2006, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:



I think (untested) you can do something like

trap 'kill pid of child' TERM

at then beginning of parent.sh. This way, when the parent recives TERM it
in turn sends a TERM to the child. If you want the parent to terminate,
add the exit command as well:

trap 'kill pid of child; exit 1' TERM


But how to find out the PID of child? What would be convenient is a way
to send signals recursively to a process and its children.
Maybe I'm trying to solve a problem with wrong tools...
Thanks,

Jorge Almeida
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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread jan werner




Ronald Vincent Vazquez schrieb:

  Ronald V. Vazquez wrote:

  
  
Hello all:

I wanted to get some ideas from the list on how to clone a Gentoo box.
Perhaps others on the list are interested as well.

Thanks,
RV





  
  
Do you mean to make one install then copy everything over to a new system?

Dale
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Dale:

Yes, let say that I install a machine with all my basic software and want
to set up a second machine without having to reinstall.  What technique
would you use?

RV

  

after building my "final" system with bootloader and so on
i start with a linux boot cd, mounting all my partitions for and
exampel:

/dev/hda1 - /mnt/gentoo/boot
/dev/hda2 - /mnt/gentoo

and so on

mounting my usb-hdd to transfer the system to the second machine

switch to the /mnt/gentoo directory

tar -cvjf /mnt/my-usb-hdd/backup.bz2 *

starting to drink some tee

after this on the new computer making my partitions 

extracting all to the new hdd (tar -xvjf /mnt/my-usb-hdd/backup.bz2 -C
/mnt/gentoo)

and adjusting the fstab and installing the boot loader

that should work if the system is nearly the same like amd64 -
amd64 or something like that




Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 02 May 2006 14:18, Ronald V. Vazquez wrote:
 Hello all:

 I wanted to get some ideas from the list on how to clone a Gentoo box.
 Perhaps others on the list are interested as well.

I simply tar up the whole box (except what I do not want like log files and 
such). After booting the other box from a liveCD, I mount the harddrive and 
untar everything to it.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] Sound problems with skype

2006-05-02 Thread Ted Ozolins
Jerônimo Backes wrote:


 Anyway i suggest you
 try WengoPhone.. It's open source and is based upon open standards.. I'm
 using it, the sound quality is better than Skype.. Check out their
 website http://openwengo.org.. Gentoo even has a ebuild for it in
 portage (net-im/wengophone)..

 Farhan Ahmed
   


 Thanks a lot for your suggestion. But unfortunately, that package is
 masked. The ebuild says *missing keyword* for my AMD64. Well, I think
 I'll give a try to something else for now. What other alternatives
 (with voip support, of course) can I try?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov

What about quickpkg'ing all the installed packages and emerging them
as binaries on the new system? I think if you copy your /etc to the
new box first it should work just fine. I wonder if anyone has tried
this.

Anyways, this really depends on how much you want to clone the system,
and how similar the hardware is on the systems. Do you want user files
to be cloned, or just want to have the same packages installed without
having to re-compile?

On 5/2/06, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 02 May 2006 14:18, Ronald V. Vazquez wrote:
 Hello all:

 I wanted to get some ideas from the list on how to clone a Gentoo box.
 Perhaps others on the list are interested as well.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Skwar
John Jolet wrote:

 partimage (stores each partition as a file) also requires a storage system 
 that can take  2gb files

I might be wrong, but I think you can make partimage split the files,
can't you?

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[gentoo-user] [OT] (Linux) surveillance system?

2006-05-02 Thread Jeff
Hello all.

In the pursuit of a light physical security solution, I was wondering -
does anyone recommend a small-time nanny-cam or web cam monitoring
system that can run atop Linux and accessed using a web browser? We're
looking to beef up physical security to our server room, but we don't
have tons to spend. We'd like the design discreet and simple for the
time being, until we can afford something huge.

Just wondering.

:-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Teresa and Dale
Ronald Vincent Vazquez wrote:

Do you mean to make one install then copy everything over to a new system?

Dale
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Dale:

Yes, let say that I install a machine with all my basic software and want
to set up a second machine without having to reinstall.  What technique
would you use?

RV

  



I usually put the drive in and mount them both, say /mnt/old/ and
/mnt/new then do a cp -av /mnt/old/* /mnt/new/ then watch all the files
scroll by.  It has worked for me several times.

This assumes that the two systems are pretty much identical though.  You
may have to make a new kernel if the mobos or something is really
different.  You know, one has one chipset and the other has some other
chipset or one has a AMD and the other has a Intel.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov

For plain device cloning you can read:
http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ddcommand.htm
and
http://www.rajeevnet.com/hacks_hints/os_clone/os_cloning.html
Using gzip definately saves a lot of space if your partitions aren't
completely full.

On 5/2/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

John Jolet wrote:

 partimage (stores each partition as a file) also requires a storage system
 that can take  2gb files

I might be wrong, but I think you can make partimage split the files,
can't you?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread John Jolet
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:30, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 John Jolet wrote:
  partimage (stores each partition as a file) also requires a storage
  system that can take  2gb files

 I might be wrong, but I think you can make partimage split the files,
 can't you?

 Alexander Skwar
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Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-kernel vs. gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread S. Schwartz
Alexander Kirillov wrote:
 I ran into the same problem after upgrading the kernel to
 gentoo-sources-2.6.16-r3.
 And don't have any problems with most recent nvidia drivers:
 media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8756
 media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756
 media-video/nvidia-settings-1.0.20051122-r3
 Did you rebuild nvidia-glx and all the dependencies?
The only dependency with nvidia-kernel seems to be virtual/modutils,
which kind of pointed to sys-apps/module-init-tools. I reemerged that
and tried the newest nvidia-kernel version. It builds, but the module
fails to load. dmesg sais (and this is, where it get really great):

NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro GPU installed in this system is
NVRM:  supported through the NVIDIA Legacy drivers. Please
NVRM:  visit http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html for more
NVRM:  information.  The 1.0-8756 NVIDIA driver will ignore
NVRM:  this GPU.  Continuing probe...
NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found!

To me this means that I need the old module with the correct patches.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Jeff
In case anyone's wondering:

http://blinkeye.ch/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page

There, look at the link for the GNU/Linux backup script. That's what I
use here at work, and I'm able to clone a p4 machine with full KDE in
about 1 hour.

Pay *very* close attention to the '--excludes' in the script, as you may
want to change it to your liking.

Works great for me anyway, YMMV!

-Jeff

Rumen Yotov wrote:
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 John Jolet wrote:
 
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Ronald V. Vazquez wrote:

Hello all:

I wanted to get some ideas from the list on how to clone a Gentoo box.
Perhaps others on the list are interested as well.

Thanks,
RV

we've used 3 different ways: a program called systemimager (works great, but 
is made for redhat and getting it to work on gentoo was fairly non-trivial)
what i call a stage 4, install the system, then make a tarball of the whole 
thing (requires a storage medium that can store huge files)
partimage (stores each partition as a file) also requires a storage system 
that can take  2gb files

of those, the systemimager is the only one you can really do a pxeboot and 
install from.  but as I said, it requires some work and an infrastructure 
(including an image server and dhchp server you control)
 
 Hi,
 Nothing new (from above), just to add my experience.
 Using stage4 tarball as backup of my Router (DNS,Apache,qmail,ftpd ...
 There's a bash-script (IIRC gentoo-wiki.com) which quite fully automates
 the task, excludes /dev,/proc,/tmp,distfiles,packages etc.
 Optionally adds/excludes $HOME, /home/ftp and compresses all this with
 gzip or bzip2 (all chosen from a menu - bash).
 The resulting size is ~ 300 MB. Install may be done in half on hour (an
 hour at most),keeping all services  configs (minus IPs,DNS,routes etc).
 HTH.Rumen
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] kill a child and suicide

2006-05-02 Thread Vladimir G. Ivanovic
pkill has a -g option to send a signal to a process group.

--- Vladimir

On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 14:48 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote:
 On Tue, 2 May 2006, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
 
 
  I think (untested) you can do something like
 
  trap 'kill pid of child' TERM
 
  at then beginning of parent.sh. This way, when the parent recives TERM it
  in turn sends a TERM to the child. If you want the parent to terminate,
  add the exit command as well:
 
  trap 'kill pid of child; exit 1' TERM
 
 But how to find out the PID of child? What would be convenient is a way
 to send signals recursively to a process and its children.
 Maybe I'm trying to solve a problem with wrong tools...
 Thanks,
 
 Jorge Almeida

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and OpenOffice keyboard problems

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Jones
Jerônimo Backes wrote on 05/01/06 23:14:

I'm running a compiled from source Open Office 2.01-r1 and am having
problems getting OOo to accept input of accented, single and double
quote characters under KDE 3.4.3.

 KDE overrides Xorg configs.
 Just open the KDE's Control Center, select Regional  Accessibility,
 then Keyboard Layout and then, select your keyboard and its variant.
 That should do the trick.

  Mine is US English, with intl variant.

Thanks for your help Jerônimo.

I tried your tip, using all sorts of keyboard layouts (Generic 101 / 104
/ 105 key, Logitech Cordless + Cordless Pro), US English, with or
without international variant/dead characters, but no joy so far.

The quote and double quote keys still work only with the AltGr key pressed.

With some of the above combinations the AltGr key completely stopped
working.  I couldn't even get an € sign with AltGr-5, let alone quotes
or accented characters!

What seems odd is that OpenOffice is the only application affected,
while all other applications work correctly under KDE.

So I'm still stuck with this irritating problem...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Redirect inbox to other mail (Sendmail)

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Jones
Delca wrote on 05/02/06 17:52:
 The problem is that i don't know how to send all mails that arrived to
 /var/spool/mail/username to other mail..

 i.e.: i want to send all mails at /var/spool/mail/john to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The alias only sends the new incoming mails. Not the ones already on the
 file.

 Someone knows how to solve this?

cd /var/spool/mail
mv oldname newname
chown newname newname

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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone use this HDD enclosure?

2006-05-02 Thread K Barter
On 5/1/06, Ian Kabeary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The subject says it all. Its a Vantec Netstar 3 eSATA  USB 2.0 Aluminum 3.5 Enclosure.I dont anticipate any issues as its plug  play, but I want to make sure before I spend $59.95 CAD on it.
Thanks!
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I am using the equivalent model with ATA, and have been really happy with it. Easy to use, cool, quiet (has no fan).


Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] kill a child and suicide

2006-05-02 Thread Zac Slade
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:48, Jorge Almeida wrote:
 On Tue, 2 May 2006, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
  I think (untested) you can do something like
 
  trap 'kill pid of child' TERM
 
  at then beginning of parent.sh. This way, when the parent recives TERM it
  in turn sends a TERM to the child. If you want the parent to terminate,
  add the exit command as well:
 
  trap 'kill pid of child; exit 1' TERM

 But how to find out the PID of child? What would be convenient is a way
 to send signals recursively to a process and its children.
 Maybe I'm trying to solve a problem with wrong tools...
 Thanks,
You can find the PID of the last backgrouned process using the bash variable 
$!

So something like:
subprocess 
$pid=$!

Using trap along with maybe setting alarms should get you what you want.
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/1/06, Farhan Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you wish to have latest packages, change ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86, it
might make your system a bit unstable but going through my experience it
has not broken a thing in my system.


And I recommend that you do *not* set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 unless you
are prepared for the consequences.

It is very much a testing environment, where either the ebuild or the
package itself might not be completely stable, or worse, incompatible
with previous configuration files or other packages on your system. 
Baselayout and udev have been particularly 'dangerous' on ~x86

recently.

Additionally, ~x86 updates more frequently than x86, so you will have
much more downloading and compiling to do at each update.

Yes ~x86 does work most of the time, and the Gentoo devs are extremely
good at fixing problems quickly.  But it can be expected to break
occasionally, and you need to know what do when it does.

If you want ~x86 for specific packages, use /etc/portage/package.keywords.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-02 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/1/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 30 April 2006 01:11 pm, Jeff Rollin wrote:
 I didn't say DG_DISABLE_DEBUG was a USE flag, I said it was a CFLAG. And it
 improves the speed of KDE applications too

 So, can you please tell me how to do this?

Please read the manual. It explains how to set something like this.
make.conf is the appropriate file.


But don't bother, 'cause it doesn't do anything anyway.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] kill a child and suicide

2006-05-02 Thread Jorge Almeida

On Tue, 2 May 2006, Zac Slade wrote:


You can find the PID of the last backgrouned process using the bash variable
$!


The child is not backgrounded!

So something like:
subprocess 
$pid=$!

Using trap along with maybe setting alarms should get you what you want.


Based on the suggestions of Uwe and Vladimir, I tried
trap 'pkill -TERM -P $$; kill -s TERM $$' TERM
do something
. /path/to/child.sh
do something else
Doesn't work, yet. Note that child.sh is a shell script that may execute
some other command (like rsync), so the . by itself may not be enough.

Thanks everyone.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Redirect inbox to other mail (Sendmail)

2006-05-02 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 18:16, Dave Jones wrote:

  Someone knows how to solve this?

 cd /var/spool/mail
 mv oldname newname
 chown newname newname

What if the second account is not local?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Redirect inbox to other mail (Sendmail)

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Jones
Etaoin Shrdlu wrote on 05/02/06 19:27:
 On Tuesday 02 May 2006 18:16, Dave Jones wrote:

Someone knows how to solve this?

cd /var/spool/mail
mv oldname newname
chown newname newname

 What if the second account is not local?

Copying the mail spool file into /var/spool/mail to the machine you want
to receive the mail on and then issuing the commands above should work.

OK, this is a very 'quick and dirty' fix, but offhand I don't know of
any other way to do it.

Sorry, but I don't know how to persuade Sendmail to handle mail packages
it's already processed and delivered to /var/spool/mail.

HTH.

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[gentoo-user] Mouse Question (Not working Wheel)

2006-05-02 Thread Christopher E

Hello all,

I am wondering what I need to do to get my wheel (scroll) to work
inside of gnome?

In my xorg I have auto as the protocal, and for the location to
/dev/input/mice what else do I nned for geting my mouse wheel to work
inside of Gnome?

Thanks for your help ahead of time!

Sincerely,
Christopher

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[gentoo-user] Re: ip6tables, state matching

2006-05-02 Thread Edwin Kapauni
Graham Murray wrote:
[...]
 ip6tables can do that, but I think it needs version 1.3.5 which is in
 ~arch and kernel = 2.6.16 (with CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV6=y/m)

Thanks for the hint. I actually found it in the unstable branches
iptables-1.3.5

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Re: [gentoo-user] Redirect inbox to other mail (Sendmail)

2006-05-02 Thread Jarry

Delca wrote:

The problem is that i don't know how to send all mails that arrived to
/var/spool/mail/username to other mail..

i.e.: i want to send all mails at /var/spool/mail/john to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



cat /var/spool/mail/${USER} | formail +1 -ds sendmail -oem ${USER}

I don't know if it is working, it is not my idea. But you must have
alias defined before, otherwise it would be delivered probably to
the same mailbox (maybe infinite loop?)...

Jarry
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse Question (Not working Wheel)

2006-05-02 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Christopher,

Am Dienstag, 2. Mai 2006 19:50 schrieb Christopher E:
 Hello all,
 I am wondering what I need to do to get my wheel (scroll) to work
 inside of gnome?
 In my xorg I have auto as the protocal, and for the location to
 /dev/input/mice what else do I nned for geting my mouse wheel to work
 inside of Gnome?

basically you need to add:
Option ZAxisMapping 4 5
Option Buttons  5
to the Section InputDevice of your mouse in your xorg.conf
You can find more info about this (including special configurations for some 
mice) at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Scrollwheel

 Thanks for your help ahead of time!
 Sincerely,
 Christopher

Hth,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse Question (Not working Wheel)

2006-05-02 Thread François Steinmetz
See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml#doc_chap4_sect3 ;-)
This is xorg configuration, it has nothing to do with gnome.On 5/2/06, Christopher E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:Hello all,I am wondering what I need to do to get my wheel (scroll) to work
inside of gnome?In my xorg I have auto as the protocal, and for the location to/dev/input/mice what else do I nned for geting my mouse wheel to workinside of Gnome?Thanks for your help ahead of time!
Sincerely,Christopher--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list


Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse Question (Not working Wheel)

2006-05-02 Thread Jeff
Hey Chris. This one often stumps even seasoned X dorks like myself.

In your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, look for the 'Section InputDevice' stanza
which describes your mouse, and add the following:

Option  ZAxisMApping 4 5

This will get your mouse wheel up and running, but you'll need to
restart X by logging out of Gnome, and at gdm (or greeter of choice), do
CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE and long back in.

Should work for you!

Slainte.

:-)

-Jeff

Christopher E wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I am wondering what I need to do to get my wheel (scroll) to work
 inside of gnome?
 
 In my xorg I have auto as the protocal, and for the location to
 /dev/input/mice what else do I nned for geting my mouse wheel to work
 inside of Gnome?
 
 Thanks for your help ahead of time!
 
 Sincerely,
 Christopher
 

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Princess Leia:
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Han Solo:
That's a good story. I think you just can't bear to
let a gorgeous guy like me out of your sight.
Princess Leia:
I don't know where you get you delusions, laser brain!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse Question (Not working Wheel)

2006-05-02 Thread Christopher E

Thank you Michael!

So that would apply to a mouse with two buttons and the wheel that is
button also?

Sincerely,
Christopher

On 5/2/06, Michael Schreckenbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Christopher,

Am Dienstag, 2. Mai 2006 19:50 schrieb Christopher E:
 Hello all,
 I am wondering what I need to do to get my wheel (scroll) to work
 inside of gnome?
 In my xorg I have auto as the protocal, and for the location to
 /dev/input/mice what else do I nned for geting my mouse wheel to work
 inside of Gnome?

basically you need to add:
Option ZAxisMapping 4 5
Option Buttons  5
to the Section InputDevice of your mouse in your xorg.conf
You can find more info about this (including special configurations for some
mice) at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Scrollwheel

 Thanks for your help ahead of time!
 Sincerely,
 Christopher

Hth,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse Question (Not working Wheel)

2006-05-02 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Dienstag, 2. Mai 2006 20:13 schrieb Christopher E:
 Thank you Michael!
 So that would apply to a mouse with two buttons and the wheel that is
 button also?

yes :) The wheel are buttons 4 and 5 in that case.

 Sincerely,
 Christopher

Hand,
Michael

 On 5/2/06, Michael Schreckenbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Christopher,
 
  Am Dienstag, 2. Mai 2006 19:50 schrieb Christopher E:
   Hello all,
   I am wondering what I need to do to get my wheel (scroll) to work
   inside of gnome?
   In my xorg I have auto as the protocal, and for the location to
   /dev/input/mice what else do I nned for geting my mouse wheel to work
   inside of Gnome?
 
  basically you need to add:
  Option ZAxisMapping 4 5
  Option Buttons  5
  to the Section InputDevice of your mouse in your xorg.conf
  You can find more info about this (including special configurations for
  some mice) at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Scrollwheel
 
   Thanks for your help ahead of time!
   Sincerely,
   Christopher
 
  Hth,
  Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse Question (Not working Wheel)

2006-05-02 Thread Christopher E

Hello and thank you all for your respone my mouse is not working to my
best of knowing :-)

Sincerely,
Christopher

On 5/2/06, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey Chris. This one often stumps even seasoned X dorks like myself.

In your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, look for the 'Section InputDevice' stanza
which describes your mouse, and add the following:

Option  ZAxisMApping 4 5

This will get your mouse wheel up and running, but you'll need to
restart X by logging out of Gnome, and at gdm (or greeter of choice), do
CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE and long back in.

Should work for you!

Slainte.

:-)

-Jeff

Christopher E wrote:
 Hello all,

 I am wondering what I need to do to get my wheel (scroll) to work
 inside of gnome?

 In my xorg I have auto as the protocal, and for the location to
 /dev/input/mice what else do I nned for geting my mouse wheel to work
 inside of Gnome?

 Thanks for your help ahead of time!

 Sincerely,
 Christopher


--
Han Solo:
Well Princess, it looks like you managed to keep me
here a while longer.
Princess Leia:
I had nothing to do with it. General Rieekan thinks
it's dangerous for anyone to leave the system until
they've activated the energy shield.
Han Solo:
That's a good story. I think you just can't bear to
let a gorgeous guy like me out of your sight.
Princess Leia:
I don't know where you get you delusions, laser brain!
Chewbacca laughs
Han Solo:
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Re: [gentoo-user] Two things, AC97 sound and Gnome issues!

2006-05-02 Thread Christopher E

Hello there,

my sound seems to work, but not that concesit.  like I have skype ring
some times and other times it does not, then with my mic it plays
through the speakers

Any ideas to why and who to get it stable?

when I do a lspci I get this for my sound card:
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.
VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)

Sincerely,
Christopher

On 4/30/06, wu chuanwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



2006/4/27, Christopher E [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hello all,

 if there is any one that can help me with the following two issue I
 would be greatful.

 1.  I am have a error message when booting about snd_via82xx not
 found.  FATAL: Module snd_via82xx not found.  is the exact message.


Are you  sure your sound module is snd_via82xx?I have a AC97 sound
card,and the modules is not this one.

 I have the driver as part of the kernel, when I don't ALSA then gives
 a message like this:
 ALSA device list:
   Sound Card not found

 I have emerged hal, dbus, alsa-utils and have added all of them to
 rc-update level boot.  I have run the alsaconf.


 2.  Now with gnome, when I type startx at the prompte I get the logo
 and then it stops, I then have to move the mouse and click on the logo
 and it goes away and then its just a blank screen.  I have to do
 ctrl+alt+backspace to get out and get to a prompte again.


See the message after you do  ctrl+alt+bachspace!


If you have any other questions that I have not answered here please
ask so this may get fixed.

If any one knows how I could fix these issue I would be greatful and
thankful to you.

Sincerely,
Christopher

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[gentoo-user] How to get rid of gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Leopold Gouverneur
How can I prevent emerge from merging gentoo-sources (I now use sources
from ftp.kernel.org).I tried --unmerge whithout success.
Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] kill a child and suicide

2006-05-02 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi,

On Tue, 2 May 2006 17:42:26 +0100 (WEST)
Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 2 May 2006, Zac Slade wrote:
 
  You can find the PID of the last backgrouned process using the bash variable
  $!
 
 The child is not backgrounded!
  So something like:
  subprocess 
  $pid=$!
 
  Using trap along with maybe setting alarms should get you what you want.
 
 Based on the suggestions of Uwe and Vladimir, I tried
   trap 'pkill -TERM -P $$; kill -s TERM $$' TERM
   do something
   . /path/to/child.sh
   do something else
 Doesn't work, yet. Note that child.sh is a shell script that may execute
 some other command (like rsync), so the . by itself may not be enough.

This can't work because of this (man bash):
--snip
If bash is waiting for a command to complete and receives a signal for
which a trap has been set, the trap will  not  be  executed until the
command completes.
--snip

What instead works (just tested):
--snip
#!/bin/sh
COMMAND=sleep 120

# First we background:
$COMMAND 
# Save the PID
CHILDPID=$!
# Trap the signal:
trap kill -TERM $CHILDPID TERM
# And wait for the Child to finish:
wait $CHILDPID
# reset signal handling:
trap - TERM
--snip

Note that the code could hit a racing condition and should therefore
not carelessly run by root on a machine with untrusted users. This is:
The process may have finished before setting the signal handler.
Other processes *might* reuse the PID afterwards and might get
sig-TERM-ed until resetting the signal handler again. Probably a minor,
depending on the script's usage.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse Question (Not working Wheel)

2006-05-02 Thread Michael Sullivan
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 13:50 -0400, Christopher E wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I am wondering what I need to do to get my wheel (scroll) to work
 inside of gnome?
 
 In my xorg I have auto as the protocal, and for the location to
 /dev/input/mice what else do I nned for geting my mouse wheel to work
 inside of Gnome?
 
 Thanks for your help ahead of time!
 
 Sincerely,
 Christopher
 

From my xorg.conf file:

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto
Option  Device /dev/input/mouse0
Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5
EndSection

That ZAxisMapping line is the one you need to get the mouse wheel
working...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse Question (Not working Wheel)

2006-05-02 Thread Michael Sullivan
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 14:13 -0400, Christopher E wrote:
 Thank you Michael!
 
 So that would apply to a mouse with two buttons and the wheel that is
 button also?
 
Yes.  In any Linux docs you might read that refer to the third mouse
button, this is your mouse wheel.
 Sincerely,
 Christopher
 
 On 5/2/06, Michael Schreckenbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Christopher,
 
  Am Dienstag, 2. Mai 2006 19:50 schrieb Christopher E:
   Hello all,
   I am wondering what I need to do to get my wheel (scroll) to work
   inside of gnome?
   In my xorg I have auto as the protocal, and for the location to
   /dev/input/mice what else do I nned for geting my mouse wheel to work
   inside of Gnome?
 
  basically you need to add:
  Option ZAxisMapping 4 5
  Option Buttons  5
  to the Section InputDevice of your mouse in your xorg.conf
  You can find more info about this (including special configurations for some
  mice) at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Scrollwheel
 
   Thanks for your help ahead of time!
   Sincerely,
   Christopher
 
  Hth,
  Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] Audio CD - DVD s Issues

2006-05-02 Thread Sean O'Rourke

Christopher E wrote:

Hello All,

Ok here is a issue someone else and I  are having with playing cds of
audio / DVD:

Error from duoble clicking on the icon on the desktop of audio cd or a dvd:
Cound't display ccda:///dev/hda.


I had an issue before accessing my dvd drive.  I fixed it by adding my 
user to the cdrom group.  Is your user in the cdrom group?


 - Sean

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Justin Findlay

On 5/2/06, Leopold Gouverneur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How can I prevent emerge from merging gentoo-sources (I now use sources
from ftp.kernel.org).I tried --unmerge whithout success.


Try 'equery depends gentoo-sources' to see which package(s) want gentoo-sources.


Jusitn

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Re: [gentoo-user] Audio CD - DVD s Issues

2006-05-02 Thread Christopher E

Hello Sean,

yep it is indeed, seeing I am in root for now then I will make other
accounts and so on.

Thanks for your reply to my issue!

Sincerely,
Christopher

On 5/2/06, Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Christopher E wrote:
 Hello All,

 Ok here is a issue someone else and I  are having with playing cds of
 audio / DVD:

 Error from duoble clicking on the icon on the desktop of audio cd or a dvd:
 Cound't display ccda:///dev/hda.

I had an issue before accessing my dvd drive.  I fixed it by adding my
user to the cdrom group.  Is your user in the cdrom group?

  - Sean

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Re: [gentoo-user] VMWare on Gentoo?

2006-05-02 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
Thanks to all who mentioned the ebuild. It hadn't occurred to me that there would be one.
I'll try setting it up when I get back to that machine tonight.

++ kevinOn 4/30/06, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin O'Gorman wrote on 04/30/06 06:51: I just got an evaluation copy of VMWare Workstation 5.5, and I'm momentarily glad I didn't pay for this thing.It seems to expect a RedHat style runlevel system.
 Has anybody successfully fooled with this thing to make it work on Gentoo? At the moment, its problems seem to be related to the daemon management features.I could clone them, but it would be a lot of work.
The 5.5.1.19175-r3 ebuild runs perfectly here,give it a go.You *must* run vmware-config.pl as root after the install.If vmware-config.pl complains about being unable to shutdown the vmwareservices, rerun it using the -skipstopstart switch.
rc-update add vmware defaultwill fix your redhat runlevel problems.Make sure that the userid you're going to run vmware under is a memberof the vmware group.Hope this helps.Dave--
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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Mick

On 02/05/06, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:30, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 John Jolet wrote:
  partimage (stores each partition as a file) also requires a storage
  system that can take  2gb files

 I might be wrong, but I think you can make partimage split the files,
 can't you?


Yes, you can split the image file to a size of your choice.


that's what the docs say..then again, the docs also say you can write across
the network...but both of those failed when i tried them


Both options have worked for me on different machines.  Yet again YMMV.

Partimage is good if you are cloning identically sized partitions
(perfect for a backup).  It's a bit more involved if the partitions
are different sizes as you will have to resize them thereafter using
something like e.g. gparted.
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Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-kernel vs. gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:02, Conneries wearegeeks wrote:
  is there any reason not to try drver version 8756?

 Yes, twinview doesn't work properly with the 8756 version. I had to fall
 back to the previous version.

the previous version would be 8178 ;)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Audio CD - DVD s Issues

2006-05-02 Thread Daniel da Veiga

On 5/2/06, Christopher E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello All,

Ok here is a issue someone else and I  are having with playing cds of
audio / DVD:

Error from duoble clicking on the icon on the desktop of audio cd or a dvd:
Cound't display ccda:///dev/hda.



Check this old thread:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/155453/focus=155476

Its about the same problem.

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Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-kernel vs. gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 11:51, S. Schwartz wrote:
 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
  is there any reason not to try drver version 8756?
  6629 is very old. very, very old. Even older. It is old.

 As I said, all other available versions in portage didn't compile or
 load afterwards. Only one version (other than 6629, one of the 1.0.7...)
 did both successfully but crashed when starting X.

  If the problem is still there, I would try vanilla kernel.

 I'm not going to, since I believe I would be missing a lot of these
 gentoo-patches. Anyway to me it seems that the nvidia-kernel ebuild
 needs improvement (patching the stuff about remap_page_range and
 pci_find_class).

which patches?
What would you missing?

And since the problem does not appear with vanilla kernels, it is worth a try.
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Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-kernel vs. gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 17:03, S. Schwartz wrote:
 Alexander Kirillov wrote:
  I ran into the same problem after upgrading the kernel to
  gentoo-sources-2.6.16-r3.
  And don't have any problems with most recent nvidia drivers:
  media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8756
  media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756
  media-video/nvidia-settings-1.0.20051122-r3
  Did you rebuild nvidia-glx and all the dependencies?

 The only dependency with nvidia-kernel seems to be virtual/modutils,
 which kind of pointed to sys-apps/module-init-tools. I reemerged that
 and tried the newest nvidia-kernel version. It builds, but the module
 fails to load. dmesg sais (and this is, where it get really great):

 NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro GPU installed in this system is
 NVRM:  supported through the NVIDIA Legacy drivers. Please
 NVRM:  visit http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html for more
 NVRM:  information.  The 1.0-8756 NVIDIA driver will ignore
 NVRM:  this GPU.  Continuing probe...
 NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found!

 To me this means that I need the old module with the correct patches.

you don't need 6629 in that case. You can go to 7174.
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi,

On Tue, 2 May 2006 21:09:44 +0200
Leopold Gouverneur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How can I prevent emerge from merging gentoo-sources (I now use sources
 from ftp.kernel.org).I tried --unmerge whithout success.

Something will always try to pull it in. But you can tell portage that
it's there:

$ cat /etc/portage/profile/package.provided 
sys-kernel/development-sources-2.6.15.4
sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.15.4

(dunno why I've inserted both, one should be sufficient, and yes, it
already got a bit outdated)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread gjiro

you might check out:

DAR (Disk ARchive) - http://dar.linux.free.fr/

and

SaraB - http://sarab.sourceforge.net/

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[gentoo-user] Strangely encoded filenames with special characters

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander Skwar

Hello.

On my system, I've got some files, in which special characters
(eg. German umlaute, like äöü or ß) are encoded in a rather strange
way.

Eg.:
[2005-04-14 20-17-09] (0766) Sandra mit Cassandra auf Arm, Klinikum Barmen, Tag 
23 - Schwarz-Wei�:009f.jpg

Schwarz-Wei�:009f should read Schwarz-Weiß.

What I don't understand is, why the ß has been (wrongly) encoded
as �:009f.

Why is that happening?

Thanks,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Redirect inbox to other mail (Sendmail)

2006-05-02 Thread Delca

i mispelled my problem, sorry :P

i want to send all arrived mails at /var/spool/mail/john to for
example [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

i think the formail is a good option, but i don't know how to tell
sendmail to send the mails! :( I tryed running your command and there
was a little problem, some mails were sent again to all users (i've
set up a 'to all' account i mean.. one mail that sends to every user
an email) and i just want to be redirected to one mail account in
particular.

sorry again!

Santiago

On 5/2/06, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Delca wrote:
 The problem is that i don't know how to send all mails that arrived to
 /var/spool/mail/username to other mail..

 i.e.: i want to send all mails at /var/spool/mail/john to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


cat /var/spool/mail/${USER} | formail +1 -ds sendmail -oem ${USER}

I don't know if it is working, it is not my idea. But you must have
alias defined before, otherwise it would be delivered probably to
the same mailbox (maybe infinite loop?)...

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[gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-02 Thread Teresa and Dale
Hi,

OK, here's my deal.  My girlfriend wants to use windoze, yes it has
already died from a bug and it took a while to get it all back to
working, again.  This is what I want to do to make it easy when this
happens again, this is windoze so it will happen, likely sooner rather
than later too.

I want to be able to back her drive up to a CD, the whole thing even if
it takes a few CDs.  When it dies again, I want to be able to put in the
first CD and it boot and reinstall everything from there with little
interaction from me.

Is there such a creature?  Please tell me it is free.  I'm used to Linux
remember. 

I can't believe I let her spend almost $200.00 on that crappie OS.  
hangs head in shame   She a great person in all other respects though. 
I just have to keep working on this area.

Thanks

Dale
:-)

Oh, I'm still looking for help with samba share so I can copy her
documents and such to my rig, since mine seems to always work.  :D 
Again, sorry to ask a windoze question here but it's not like I ask
anywhere else. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-02 Thread Daniel da Veiga

On 5/2/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

OK, here's my deal.  My girlfriend wants to use windoze, yes it has
already died from a bug and it took a while to get it all back to
working, again.  This is what I want to do to make it easy when this
happens again, this is windoze so it will happen, likely sooner rather
than later too.

I want to be able to back her drive up to a CD, the whole thing even if
it takes a few CDs.  When it dies again, I want to be able to put in the
first CD and it boot and reinstall everything from there with little
interaction from me.

Is there such a creature?  Please tell me it is free.  I'm used to Linux
remember.

I can't believe I let her spend almost $200.00 on that crappie OS.  
hangs head in shame   She a great person in all other respects though.
I just have to keep working on this area.

Thanks

Dale
:-)



There is g4l (Ghost For Linux), it is still under work I believe, but
it is a great tool, if you never used Ghost (from Symantec) then
you're not familiar with Windows (lol).  It can backup your
disk/partitions and create image files that can be restored later. It
has good compression and I have an image for each Windows Machine here
at work. A whole install with Office and everything goes about 3 CDs.

http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/

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[gentoo-user] Messengers - AIM, YIM, LIM?

2006-05-02 Thread Christopher E

Hello All,

Could some one please recommend a very clean but as much fuctions as
the below servers allow:

Yahoo Instant Messanger
Aol Instant Messanger
Live Instant Messanger --MSN is now moving to Live ...

Thanks very much ahead of time!

Sincerely,
Christopher

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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-02 Thread David Miller
Partimage works pretty well although not exactly as you described. It requires a linux server to serve the images I believe. There may be a way to use a livecd of some sort to do it locally as you described.Otherwise the not free/opensource solution is Norton Ghost.
--DavidOn 5/2/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,OK, here's my deal.My girlfriend wants to use windoze, yes it hasalready died from a bug and it took a while to get it all back toworking, again.This is what I want to do to make it easy when this
happens again, this is windoze so it will happen, likely sooner ratherthan later too.I want to be able to back her drive up to a CD, the whole thing even ifit takes a few CDs.When it dies again, I want to be able to put in the
first CD and it boot and reinstall everything from there with littleinteraction from me.Is there such a creature?Please tell me it is free.I'm used to Linuxremember.I can't believe I let her spend almost $200.00 on that crappie OS.
hangs head in shame She a great person in all other respects though.I just have to keep working on this area.ThanksDale:-)Oh, I'm still looking for help with samba share so I can copy her
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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-02 Thread Thierry de Coulon
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 23.18, Teresa and Dale wrote:
 Hi,

 OK, here's my deal.  My girlfriend wants to use windoze, yes it has
 already died from a bug and it took a while to get it all back to
 working, again.  This is what I want to do to make it easy when this
 happens again, this is windoze so it will happen, likely sooner rather
 than later too.

 I want to be able to back her drive up to a CD, the whole thing even if
 it takes a few CDs.  When it dies again, I want to be able to put in the
 first CD and it boot and reinstall everything from there with little
 interaction from me.

 Is there such a creature?  Please tell me it is free.  I'm used to Linux
 remember.

 I can't believe I let her spend almost $200.00 on that crappie OS.  
 hangs head in shame   She a great person in all other respects though.
 I just have to keep working on this area.

 Thanks

 Dale

I've done that on Laptops (you know, those thingies that come with crap 
pre-installed) in order to put that back if I sell them later...

I know if two ways that (might) work:

a) dd - you might have to shrink the partition first or try 7zip to make it 
smaller later. You'll also need a pertition to store the file. I would do it 
from some live distro (Mepis or Knoppix or so).
You can then put it back the other way round, but you may have to reinstall 
Windows first to gat a working mbr.

b) Paragon Partition Manager. It is _not_ free unfortunately but it's good 
value for money. Get the CD iso image (the fools distribute it as an *.exe 
file!), burn it and boot. Amongst other things it will let you resize the 
partition (if required) and backup/archive it, if you want directly on CD or 
DVD. Note the software runs on a linux boot cd.

As I said, it's not free ($50) - but you can get a free demo here: 
http://www.partition-manager.com/
and test it. Might save your ass some day.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] kill a child and suicide

2006-05-02 Thread Jorge Almeida

On Tue, 2 May 2006, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:


Based on the suggestions of Uwe and Vladimir, I tried
trap 'pkill -TERM -P $$; kill -s TERM $$' TERM
do something
. /path/to/child.sh
do something else
Doesn't work, yet. Note that child.sh is a shell script that may execute
some other command (like rsync), so the . by itself may not be enough.


This can't work because of this (man bash):
--snip
If bash is waiting for a command to complete and receives a signal for
which a trap has been set, the trap will  not  be  executed until the
command completes.
--snip


Oops...!

What instead works (just tested):
--snip
#!/bin/sh
COMMAND=sleep 120

# First we background:
$COMMAND 
# Save the PID
CHILDPID=$!
# Trap the signal:
trap kill -TERM $CHILDPID TERM
# And wait for the Child to finish:
wait $CHILDPID
# reset signal handling:
trap - TERM
--snip


Backgrounding is really not an option. The whole setup is to be supervised
by daemontools.

Note that the code could hit a racing condition and should therefore
not carelessly run by root on a machine with untrusted users. This is:
The process may have finished before setting the signal handler.
Other processes *might* reuse the PID afterwards and might get
sig-TERM-ed until resetting the signal handler again. Probably a minor,
depending on the script's usage.


Precisely the kind of thing I want to avoid. I think I need to
reformulate my setup.



Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-02 Thread Teresa and Dale
Daniel da Veiga wrote:

 On 5/2/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 OK, here's my deal.  My girlfriend wants to use windoze, yes it has
 already died from a bug and it took a while to get it all back to
 working, again.  This is what I want to do to make it easy when this
 happens again, this is windoze so it will happen, likely sooner rather
 than later too.

 I want to be able to back her drive up to a CD, the whole thing even if
 it takes a few CDs.  When it dies again, I want to be able to put in the
 first CD and it boot and reinstall everything from there with little
 interaction from me.

 Is there such a creature?  Please tell me it is free.  I'm used to Linux
 remember.

 I can't believe I let her spend almost $200.00 on that crappie OS.  
 hangs head in shame   She a great person in all other respects though.
 I just have to keep working on this area.

 Thanks

 Dale
 :-)


 There is g4l (Ghost For Linux), it is still under work I believe, but
 it is a great tool, if you never used Ghost (from Symantec) then
 you're not familiar with Windows (lol).  It can backup your
 disk/partitions and create image files that can be restored later. It
 has good compression and I have an image for each Windows Machine here
 at work. A whole install with Office and everything goes about 3 CDs.

 http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/

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I have heard of Ghost before.  I saw it on The Screen Savers show a few
times.  You are right, I hate windoze.  I can install it and set up some
stuff but I like to run after that.  I would rather go to a dentist than
mess with windoze.  I make a exception for my brother and my Sweetie. 

May have to check on that.

Thanks

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-02 Thread Teresa and Dale
Thierry de Coulon wrote:


I've done that on Laptops (you know, those thingies that come with crap 
pre-installed) in order to put that back if I sell them later...
  


I got you there.  ;-)

I know if two ways that (might) work:

a) dd - you might have to shrink the partition first or try 7zip to make it 
smaller later. You'll also need a pertition to store the file. I would do it 
from some live distro (Mepis or Knoppix or so).
You can then put it back the other way round, but you may have to reinstall 
Windows first to gat a working mbr.

b) Paragon Partition Manager. It is _not_ free unfortunately but it's good 
value for money. Get the CD iso image (the fools distribute it as an *.exe 
file!), burn it and boot. Amongst other things it will let you resize the 
partition (if required) and backup/archive it, if you want directly on CD or 
DVD. Note the software runs on a linux boot cd.

As I said, it's not free ($50) - but you can get a free demo here: 
http://www.partition-manager.com/
and test it. Might save your ass some day.


  


That dd thing always scared me for some reason.  Plan b sounds neat.  I
need to add that to the to check list.

Thanks

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-02 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 21:18, Teresa and Dale wrote:

 I want to be able to back her drive up to a CD, the whole thing even if
 it takes a few CDs.  When it dies again, I want to be able to put in the
 first CD and it boot and reinstall everything from there with little
 interaction from me.

 Is there such a creature?  Please tell me it is free.  I'm used to Linux
 remember.

First defragment her OS partition a couple of times (and reboot in between for 
good measure ;-).  Then you can use a Knoppix or other Linux LiveCD on her 
machine, run partimage and save an image of her OS partition on one of your 
boxen over the LAN.  If you don't want to take up too much of your valuable 
disk space you can of course compress the image.  If you rather save it on 
CD's/DVD's partimage can split the image down to smaller file sizes.

You can of course also save it on a new partition on her box.

http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page

Another tool which you can use from within Windoze is Bart's PE and DriveImage 
XML (a plugin you can build into Bart's PE LiveCD).

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm

They're both free and should do the job you want.  Personally,  I use Knoppix 
and partimage, but there are other linux tools (down to the relatively basic 
dd command) which should do the trick on a VFAT partition.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-02 Thread Joe Menola
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 4:42 pm, David Miller wrote:
 Partimage works pretty well although not exactly as you described.  It
 requires a linux server to serve the images I believe.  There may be a way
 to use a livecd of some sort to do it locally as you described.

http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

You can mount a local partition (other then the one you're backing up), save 
image to disk (you can specify file size limit) and burn later.

-jm

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Re: [gentoo-user] Messengers - AIM, YIM, LIM?

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Moore

On 5/2/06, Christopher E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello All,

Could some one please recommend a very clean but as much fuctions as
the below servers allow:


GAIM is pretty popular, and I like it.
http://gaim.sourceforge.net/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-02 Thread Teresa and Dale
Mick wrote:


First defragment her OS partition a couple of times (and reboot in between for 
good measure ;-).  Then you can use a Knoppix or other Linux LiveCD on her 
machine, run partimage and save an image of her OS partition on one of your 
boxen over the LAN.  If you don't want to take up too much of your valuable 
disk space you can of course compress the image.  If you rather save it on 
CD's/DVD's partimage can split the image down to smaller file sizes.

You can of course also save it on a new partition on her box.

http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page

Another tool which you can use from within Windoze is Bart's PE and DriveImage 
XML (a plugin you can build into Bart's PE LiveCD).

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm

They're both free and should do the job you want.  Personally,  I use Knoppix 
and partimage, but there are other linux tools (down to the relatively basic 
dd command) which should do the trick on a VFAT partition.
  



Crap, I forgot and used NTFS on the thing.   sighs   I wonder if the
newer kernel will write safely yet

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and OpenOffice keyboard problems

2006-05-02 Thread Jerônimo Backes



I tried your tip, using all sorts of keyboard layouts (Generic 101 / 104
/ 105 key, Logitech Cordless + Cordless Pro), US English, with or
without international variant/dead characters, but no joy so far.

What seems odd is that OpenOffice is the only application affected,
while all other applications work correctly under KDE.

So I'm still stuck with this irritating problem...
  


Oh, I forgot to mention: DON'T use UTF-8 with KDE if you need to use 
some special keyboard layouts. Stay with ISO-8859-1 (the default 
encoding). KDE has issues with UTF-8 and certain keboard layouts.




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[gentoo-user] Webapp-config trouble

2006-05-02 Thread Mrugesh Karnik
Hi,

cgiirc-0.5.8 got installed as part of the regular update world cycle 
yesterday. It was slotted alongside 0.5.7. At first, I noticed that the 
vhosts USE flag was turned on when 0.5.8 got installed. So I re-emerged 
it with -vhosts. After that, I unmerged cgiirc-0.5.7. Tried to start 
apache with /etc/init.d/apache2 start and I get the following error:

 * Apache2 has detected a syntax error in your configuration files:
Usage: /usr/sbin/apache2 [-D name] [-d directory] [-f file]
 [-C directive] [-c directive]
 [-k start|restart|graceful|stop]
 [-v] [-V] [-h] [-l] [-L] [-t] [-S]
Options:
  -D name   : define a name for use in IfDefine name 
directives
  -d directory  : specify an alternate initial ServerRoot
  -f file   : specify an alternate ServerConfigFile
  -C directive: process directive before reading config files
  -c directive: process directive after reading config files
  -e level  : show startup errors of level (see LogLevel)
  -E file   : log startup errors to file
  -v: show version number
  -V: show compile settings
  -h: list available command line options (this page)
  -l: list compiled in modules
  -L: list available configuration directives
  -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS : show parsed settings (currently only vhost 
settings)
  -S: a synonym for -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS
  -t: run syntax check for config files

I tried to run webapp-config --si -V and I get this:

* Install directory is: /var/www/localhost/htdocs
* Fatal error: No .webapp file in /var/www/localhost/htdocs; unable to 
continue
* Fatal error(s) - aborting

How do I solve this?

Thanks.

Mrugesh


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Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Leopold Gouverneur
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:23:49PM -0600, Justin Findlay wrote:
 On 5/2/06, Leopold Gouverneur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How can I prevent emerge from merging gentoo-sources (I now use sources
 from ftp.kernel.org).I tried --unmerge whithout success.
 
 Try 'equery depends gentoo-sources' to see which package(s) want 
 gentoo-sources.
 
 
 Jusitn
equery depends show nothing but anyway package.provided did the trick.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Redirect inbox to other mail (Sendmail)

2006-05-02 Thread John Jolet
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 15:58, Delca wrote:
 i mispelled my problem, sorry :P

 i want to send all arrived mails at /var/spool/mail/john to for
 example [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 i think the formail is a good option, but i don't know how to tell
 sendmail to send the mails! :( I tryed running your command and there
 was a little problem, some mails were sent again to all users (i've
 set up a 'to all' account i mean.. one mail that sends to every user
 an email) and i just want to be redirected to one mail account in
 particular.

 sorry again!

 Santiago

um, that's just an alias in /etc/mail/aliases, put john:   
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
save the file and run newaliases
 On 5/2/06, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Delca wrote:
   The problem is that i don't know how to send all mails that arrived to
   /var/spool/mail/username to other mail..
  
   i.e.: i want to send all mails at /var/spool/mail/john to
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  cat /var/spool/mail/${USER} | formail +1 -ds sendmail -oem ${USER}
 
  I don't know if it is working, it is not my idea. But you must have
  alias defined before, otherwise it would be delivered probably to
  the same mailbox (maybe infinite loop?)...
 
  Jarry
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RE: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Fernando Ferrari
This is a excelent article
http://es.geocities.com/linuxeando/partimage.html


Saludos
Fernando Ferrari
Desarrollador Linux
http://fernandorferrari.blogspot.com
 
-Mensaje original-
De: Ronald V. Vazquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviado el: Martes, 02 de Mayo de 2006 10:19 a.m.
Para: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Asunto: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

Hello all:

I wanted to get some ideas from the list on how to clone a Gentoo box. 
Perhaps others on the list are interested as well.

Thanks,
RV


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Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Leopold Gouverneur
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:28:20AM +0200, Leopold Gouverneur wrote:
 On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:23:49PM -0600, Justin Findlay wrote:
  On 5/2/06, Leopold Gouverneur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How can I prevent emerge from merging gentoo-sources (I now use sources
  from ftp.kernel.org).I tried --unmerge whithout success.
  
  Try 'equery depends gentoo-sources' to see which package(s) want 
  gentoo-sources.
  
  
  Jusitn
 equery depends show nothing but anyway package.provided did the trick.
 thanks
except that emerge --sync delete package.provided so I must recreate it
before running emerge -upD world! There is something weird here.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Sean O'Rourke

Leopold Gouverneur wrote:

except that emerge --sync delete package.provided so I must recreate it
before running emerge -upD world! There is something weird here.


You need to put it in /etc/portage/package.provided.  If you put it in 
the profile then yes, it will be overwritten by an emerge --sync.


 - Sean


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RE: [gentoo-user] VMWare on Gentoo?

2006-05-02 Thread Daevid Vincent



IMHO, 
VMWare is well worth the selling price. This is one of the most useful, robust, 
solid, and transparent products I've ever used. Granted, I use it on an XP host 
with Gentoo in a VM, but I am just blown away every time I think about what it's 
doing and enabling me to do. The fact that they're giving away the player 
and server now free is even more astonishing. I strongly urge you to buy your 
copy and support that company.

  
  
  From: Kevin O'Gorman 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:52 
  PMTo: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.orgSubject: [gentoo-user] 
  VMWare on Gentoo?
  I just got an evaluation copy of VMWare Workstation 5.5, and I'm 
  momentarily gladI didn't pay for this thing. It seems to expect a 
  RedHat style runlevel system.Has anybody successfully fooled with this 
  thing to make it work on Gentoo?At the moment, its problems seem to be 
  related to the daemon managementfeatures. I could clone them, but it 
  would be a lot of work.-- Kevin O'Gorman, 
PhD


Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone use this HDD enclosure?

2006-05-02 Thread Ian Kabeary
Does the hard drive get warm without a fan?That is the one thing I dont like about this thing. :)~IanOn 5/2/06, K Barter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/1/06, Ian Kabeary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The subject says it all. Its a Vantec Netstar 3 eSATA  USB 2.0 Aluminum 3.5 Enclosure.I dont anticipate any issues as its plug  play, but I want to make sure before I spend $59.95 CAD on it.
Thanks!
-- Cheers,Ian

I am using the equivalent model with ATA, and have been really happy with it. Easy to use, cool, quiet (has no fan).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cloning a Gentoo box

2006-05-02 Thread Robert Walter
for (nearly) identical hardware i use the following commands (from a live 
distro like knoppix)

// create compressed and splitted image
dd if=/dev/sd? | gzip -c | split -b 699m - /space/for/imagefiles/image.gz.  
 don't forget that last dot
// verify
cat /space/for/imagefiles/image.gz.* | gzip -d | cmp - /dev/sd? 
// restore
cat /space/for/imagefiles/image.gz.* | gzip -d | dd of=/dev/sd?

this is of course os/fs independent.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of gentoo-sources

2006-05-02 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 21:09, Leopold Gouverneur wrote:
 How can I prevent emerge from merging gentoo-sources (I now use sources
 from ftp.kernel.org).I tried --unmerge whithout success.
 Thanks.

very strange - unmerged gentoo-kernel a long time ago and it never tried to 
install them again..


Do you have any splash-stuff installed?
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] (Linux) surveillance system?

2006-05-02 Thread Ted Ozolins
Jeff wrote:

Hello all.

In the pursuit of a light physical security solution, I was wondering -
does anyone recommend a small-time nanny-cam or web cam monitoring
system that can run atop Linux and accessed using a web browser? We're
looking to beef up physical security to our server room, but we don't
have tons to spend. We'd like the design discreet and simple for the
time being, until we can afford something huge.

Just wondering.

:-)

-Jeff

  

Have a look at motion:
http://motion.sourceforge.net/
http://freshmeat.net/redir/motion/6642/url_homepage/motion.sourceforge.net

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