Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage device slow in Gentoo, fast in Windows...?
2009/12/27 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Hung Dang hungp...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/26/09 15:54, Paul Hartman wrote: Hi, I got a Nokia N900 linux internet tablet/phone a few days ago, and when I connect it in USB Mass Storage mode to a Windows Vista computer I can write at 17MB/sec, but when I connect it to my Gentoo box my writes are really slow, between 500-900kb/sec depending on if I mount in sync mode or not. As far as I know it should be just a totally standard/generic mass storage device. (there were no drivers or software install needed in windows, it just worked) Other USB devices plugged into the same port go full speed, and AFAIK everything appears as if it should be high speed USB 2.0. Has anyone seen something like this before? I'm not sure what the deal is. It takes 20 minutes to copy 1 gigabyte from Linux and takes just under 1 minute to do the same in Windows. I'm not sure about debugging USB or what the options are. Everything I've used previously has worked without any hassle. Have you received a lot of debugging messages at the output of dmesg when copying files? Hung No errors, no strange messages at all, it seems normal (only slow). I have other USB devices like SD card reader, external HDD, and they perform at full speed when plugged into the same port, so it's weird to me. Thanks Paul This isn't that helpful, but in Windows I get good thoroughputs in mass storage mode, but compartively weak ones in sync mode. But this shouldn't be the problem because as far as I know, there are no ync-mode drivers for good old Linux (which is ironic if you consider it).
Re: [gentoo-user] The Great Macbook Update 3: Qt-4.5.1 to Qt-4.5.3 blocks hell
Alan McKinnon ha scritto: Basically, the most important thing to sort out is those qt blocks. You appear to be running an arch machine as version 4.5.3-r1 wants to be merged, right? Yes, x86 (sorry, I forgot that) Trying to merge just qt-gui (or any other individual qt apps) is not really going to help much, as portage does not do a deep search. Try: emerge -avuND world and see if portage sensibly sorts out what should replace what. You might need a very recent portage for this to work automagically. Good advice. emerge -avuND world indeed seems to find the blocks as self-resolving. However, since it wants to update/install a LOT of stuff... ( Total: 414 packages (286 upgrades, 94 new, 5 in new slots, 29 reinstalls, 2 uninstalls) ) ...I would like to update the thing piece-by-piece, to troubleshoot better whatever happens. If not, you can either unmask portage, emerge portage and try again, or if you don't like that approach, you must do it the older, longer way: I could do it, if I have some safety option that allows me to downgrade portage later, in case I find problems. I am quite conservative with this system (it's a machine I use for day-to-day work) and I wouldn't like to have it borked. remove every single qt and/or qt-* package from world (qt should be treated as pure dependencies unless you are developing qt apps) unmerge *everything* in qt emerge -avuND world and let portage sort out what qt versions must be installed. Then you must remerge all of KDE4 and every other package that uses qt. Don't skimp this step becuase it 'takes a long time' - you will surely regret it (random mysterious failures etc that only go away when you finally do update all of KDE) Ok, this seems the safest option. Once qt is out of the way, proceed with any other blockers that remain Ys, qt is my mainproblem. I have another udev related block in the world update, but *seems* unrelated. Thanks! m.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: serial port identification question
Hello James, Thanks for writing. Lots of good information in your post! I've working on porting some DOS code to Linux and (as you likely know) the code needed for serial communications differs greatly between the 2 environments. The initial problem was trying to identify COM1, COM2, etc from lots of /dev/tty?? entries. There were no /dev/ttyS? entries. This was solved thru googling and running MAKEDEV (for COM1, COM2, etc). The second problem seems to be an odd pinout. The device has an RJ11 connector and came with an RJ11 to RS232 cable. The DB9 connector is documented as TX on pin 2 and RX on pin 3 (which is normal). Connecting a breakout box, indicated TX on pin 3. With a null-modem and a loopback plug, send/receive started working using my program. Send/receive was also verified using 2 terminal sessions and commands: cat /dev/ttyS0 echo this is a test /dev/ttyS0 The tip on setserial is appreciated. I learned of stty's -F ... -a options, but didn't know of setserial. Having solved/learned the above on the Gentoo box, the next trick is getting my code to work on the embedded 486SX linux system (non-Gentoo). So far I know that programmed setting of baud rate is working (as confirmed with stty). However no data is being seen from the keypad or the two connected preamps. They should all be continuously sending data to com3, com2, and com4 (respectively). The programming world is full of strange and wonderful problems to solve, isn't it? Regards, David
[gentoo-user] Gentoo the Real-Time kernel
Has anyone tried the Real-Time kernel with Gentoo? http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page Does anyone know if there are RT sources in an overlay anywhere? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo the Real-Time kernel
It's the only kernel I've used in years. In fact I've never run gentoo-sources for any reason other than installation. With my HDSP9652 I can run sub-1 mS delays consistently. You'll find the real-time kernel in the pro-audio overlay as 'rt-sources'. You might consider joining the pro-audio overlay email list to get questions answered about configuration, not that they cannot be answered here but pretty much everyone there is running it exclusively. Note that the leading edge rt-sources kernel does tend to be a bit behind the mainline kernel so you'll want to be a bit more careful with things like closed source video drivers and the like. While not so bad now there have been times in the past where the nvidia driver did cause real-time problems. (Called 'xruns' in the audio world due to the way Jack reports these problems.) I tend to run the Open source video drivers to simply reduce the number of problems I might run into but many, many people run both the ATI and nvidia closed source drivers without any problems. Have fun, Mark On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried the Real-Time kernel with Gentoo? http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page Does anyone know if there are RT sources in an overlay anywhere? - Grant
[gentoo-user] Package gl?
Hi, brand new system I am trying to install. emerge gets to xorg-server-1.7.3.901-r1 and dies with the message that the config script cannot find package gl. And it is true, if I issue pkg-config --libs gl I get, instead of the expected -IGL Package gl was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gl.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gl' found Any hints to what package I may be missing, and/or what directory it should be in? Cheers, W -- You will be attracted to an older, more experienced person! ~what appeared in a fortune cookie on 01-14-2002 to Daniel Jonathan Peng BTW, DJP was sixteen and three quarters... Sortir en Pantoufles: up 1115 days, 16:17
Re: [gentoo-user] Package gl?
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:27:47PM -0500, Penguin Lover Willie Wong squawked: Hi, brand new system I am trying to install. emerge gets to xorg-server-1.7.3.901-r1 and dies with the message that the config script cannot find package gl. And it is true, if I issue pkg-config --libs gl I get, instead of the expected -IGL Package gl was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gl.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gl' found Any hints to what package I may be missing, and/or what directory it should be in? Oops, I just remembered that I can just look on my other gentoo server to find where gl is and this brings up a new problem! gl.pc is located in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gl.pc equery belongs tells me that it belongs to mesa. BUT, xorg-server-1.7.3.901-r1 has mesa as a PDEPEND, and mesa-7.7 has xorg-server as a RDEPEND, which is included in DEPEND, so how the heck am I supposed to get X working on my laptop? W -- It is said that papers in string theory are published at a rate greater than the speed of light. This, however, is not problematic since no information is being transmitted. ~Prof. Dr. phil. habil. Hagen Michael Kleinert Sortir en Pantoufles: up 1115 days, 16:21
Re: [gentoo-user] [Solved, sorry for the noise] Package gl?
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:34:06PM -0500, Penguin Lover Willie Wong squawked: Oops, I just remembered that I can just look on my other gentoo server to find where gl is and this brings up a new problem! gl.pc is located in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gl.pc equery belongs tells me that it belongs to mesa. BUT, xorg-server-1.7.3.901-r1 has mesa as a PDEPEND, and mesa-7.7 has xorg-server as a RDEPEND, which is included in DEPEND, so how the heck am I supposed to get X working on my laptop? Not my day. Keep forgetting to try the obvious solution. Must have had too much boxing day cheers lastnight. Not surprisingly, I was not the only one to notice the circular dependency. The maintainers have already reverted the change that resulted in the circle by the time I ran into the problems. I just needed to re-sync. Cheers, W -- Ferrets live by a code tried and true From which humans can benefit, too. Teach your sons and daughters To do unto otters, As otters would do unto you. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 1115 days, 16:50
Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage device slow in Gentoo, fast in Windows...?
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Michael Holmes holmesm...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/12/27 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Hung Dang hungp...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/26/09 15:54, Paul Hartman wrote: Hi, I got a Nokia N900 linux internet tablet/phone a few days ago, and when I connect it in USB Mass Storage mode to a Windows Vista computer I can write at 17MB/sec, but when I connect it to my Gentoo box my writes are really slow, between 500-900kb/sec depending on if I mount in sync mode or not. As far as I know it should be just a totally standard/generic mass storage device. (there were no drivers or software install needed in windows, it just worked) Other USB devices plugged into the same port go full speed, and AFAIK everything appears as if it should be high speed USB 2.0. Has anyone seen something like this before? I'm not sure what the deal is. It takes 20 minutes to copy 1 gigabyte from Linux and takes just under 1 minute to do the same in Windows. I'm not sure about debugging USB or what the options are. Everything I've used previously has worked without any hassle. Have you received a lot of debugging messages at the output of dmesg when copying files? Hung No errors, no strange messages at all, it seems normal (only slow). I have other USB devices like SD card reader, external HDD, and they perform at full speed when plugged into the same port, so it's weird to me. Thanks Paul This isn't that helpful, but in Windows I get good thoroughputs in mass storage mode, but compartively weak ones in sync mode. But this shouldn't be the problem because as far as I know, there are no ync-mode drivers for good old Linux (which is ironic if you consider it). When I said sync mode I mean mounting the device in mass storage mode with with -o sync (as opposed to the default cached/async mode), which I believe is the default in Windows Vista Win7 (because most windows users cannot be bothered to unmount before pulling the plug). Thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] The Great Macbook Update 3: Qt-4.5.1 to Qt-4.5.3 blocks hell
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:55:23 +, bn wrote: ...I would like to update the thing piece-by-piece, to troubleshoot better whatever happens. Start with a system update, then emerge --oneshot individual, non-QT, packages to reduce the number of packages in the big emerge. If not, you can either unmask portage, emerge portage and try again, or if you don't like that approach, you must do it the older, longer way: I could do it, if I have some safety option that allows me to downgrade portage later, in case I find problems. I am quite conservative with this system (it's a machine I use for day-to-day work) and I wouldn't like to have it borked. Install and run demerge, then quickpkg your existing installed packages. Demerge lets you roll back to any point at which you saved its config. -- Neil Bothwick ... I dropped my toothpaste, Tom said, Crestfallen. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage device slow in Gentoo, fast in Windows...?
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Michael Holmes holmesm...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/12/27 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Hung Dang hungp...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/26/09 15:54, Paul Hartman wrote: Hi, I got a Nokia N900 linux internet tablet/phone a few days ago, and when I connect it in USB Mass Storage mode to a Windows Vista computer I can write at 17MB/sec, but when I connect it to my Gentoo box my writes are really slow, between 500-900kb/sec depending on if I mount in sync mode or not. As far as I know it should be just a totally standard/generic mass storage device. (there were no drivers or software install needed in windows, it just worked) Other USB devices plugged into the same port go full speed, and AFAIK everything appears as if it should be high speed USB 2.0. Has anyone seen something like this before? I'm not sure what the deal is. It takes 20 minutes to copy 1 gigabyte from Linux and takes just under 1 minute to do the same in Windows. I'm not sure about debugging USB or what the options are. Everything I've used previously has worked without any hassle. Have you received a lot of debugging messages at the output of dmesg when copying files? Hung No errors, no strange messages at all, it seems normal (only slow). I have other USB devices like SD card reader, external HDD, and they perform at full speed when plugged into the same port, so it's weird to me. Thanks Paul This isn't that helpful, but in Windows I get good thoroughputs in mass storage mode, but compartively weak ones in sync mode. But this shouldn't be the problem because as far as I know, there are no ync-mode drivers for good old Linux (which is ironic if you consider it). When I said sync mode I mean mounting the device in mass storage mode with with -o sync (as opposed to the default cached/async mode), which I believe is the default in Windows Vista Win7 (because most windows users cannot be bothered to unmount before pulling the plug). Thanks Well, after a bit more plugging/unplugging of all my USB devices into various ports in different orders, it seems to be going fast now. I hate USB :) Thanks for the help
[gentoo-user] Upgrade or start over..
Hi all, I have a gentoo circa 2008 install that i have pretty much the bare minimal to keep up to date... i now have the problem that i need to upgrade mdadm, lvm and probably a few other bits and pieces. This machine is used almost exclusively as a windows file server. I am getting blocks all over the show and lots of applications needs reinstalling/upgradining on a emerge world. i have also had problems getting the kernel to do what it needs to do a i installed the minimal when i started.. So i am wondering... it is easier to try and upgrade it, or as i have 2 raid 1 drives as the operating system drives and the rest of the drives are pure data, i can disconnect one and wipe the other reinstall from fresh as a degraded raid 1 and when i know we are good to go, wipe the disconnected drive and add to the array to resync and go from there? --- N: Jon Hardcastle E: j...@ehardcastle.com 'Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring worries of its own.' *** Please note, I am phasing out jd_hardcastle AT yahoo.com and replacing it with jon AT eHardcastle.com *** ---
Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage device slow in Gentoo, fast in Windows...?
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Michael Holmes holmesm...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/12/27 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Hung Dang hungp...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/26/09 15:54, Paul Hartman wrote: Hi, I got a Nokia N900 linux internet tablet/phone a few days ago, and when I connect it in USB Mass Storage mode to a Windows Vista computer I can write at 17MB/sec, but when I connect it to my Gentoo box my writes are really slow, between 500-900kb/sec depending on if I mount in sync mode or not. As far as I know it should be just a totally standard/generic mass storage device. (there were no drivers or software install needed in windows, it just worked) Other USB devices plugged into the same port go full speed, and AFAIK everything appears as if it should be high speed USB 2.0. Has anyone seen something like this before? I'm not sure what the deal is. It takes 20 minutes to copy 1 gigabyte from Linux and takes just under 1 minute to do the same in Windows. I'm not sure about debugging USB or what the options are. Everything I've used previously has worked without any hassle. Have you received a lot of debugging messages at the output of dmesg when copying files? Hung No errors, no strange messages at all, it seems normal (only slow). I have other USB devices like SD card reader, external HDD, and they perform at full speed when plugged into the same port, so it's weird to me. Thanks Paul This isn't that helpful, but in Windows I get good thoroughputs in mass storage mode, but compartively weak ones in sync mode. But this shouldn't be the problem because as far as I know, there are no ync-mode drivers for good old Linux (which is ironic if you consider it). When I said sync mode I mean mounting the device in mass storage mode with with -o sync (as opposed to the default cached/async mode), which I believe is the default in Windows Vista Win7 (because most windows users cannot be bothered to unmount before pulling the plug). Thanks Well, after a bit more plugging/unplugging of all my USB devices into various ports in different orders, it seems to be going fast now. I hate USB :) Thanks for the help Maybe I spoke too soon. It seems what's happening is when I write a large amount of data, there are several pdflush threads at near 100% i/o wait. I'm thinking it's writing multiple streams over USB which is causing the massive slow-down. I'm using 2.6.31, and I see in 2.6.32 there is something called Per-backing-device based writeback which may help me here... I'll try the new kernel and report back :)
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] The Great Macbook Update 3: Qt-4.5.1 to Qt-4.5.3 blocks hell
Neil Bothwick ha scritto: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:55:23 +, bn wrote: ...I would like to update the thing piece-by-piece, to troubleshoot better whatever happens. Start with a system update, then emerge --oneshot individual, non-QT, packages to reduce the number of packages in the big emerge. If not, you can either unmask portage, emerge portage and try again, or if you don't like that approach, you must do it the older, longer way: I could do it, if I have some safety option that allows me to downgrade portage later, in case I find problems. I am quite conservative with this system (it's a machine I use for day-to-day work) and I wouldn't like to have it borked. Install and run demerge, then quickpkg your existing installed packages. Demerge lets you roll back to any point at which you saved its config. I solved the block by unmerging and re-merging the qt's and then re-emerging all of KDE (for other qt software, I have to find it). Thanks a lot for your tips -didn't know of demerge, and I will for sure install it for the future. m.
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade or start over..
Jon Hardcastle wrote: Hi all, I have a gentoo circa 2008 install that i have pretty much the bare minimal to keep up to date... i now have the problem that i need to upgrade mdadm, lvm and probably a few other bits and pieces. This machine is used almost exclusively as a windows file server. I am getting blocks all over the show and lots of applications needs reinstalling/upgradining on a emerge world. i have also had problems getting the kernel to do what it needs to do a i installed the minimal when i started.. So i am wondering... it is easier to try and upgrade it, or as i have 2 raid 1 drives as the operating system drives and the rest of the drives are pure data, i can disconnect one and wipe the other reinstall from fresh as a degraded raid 1 and when i know we are good to go, wipe the disconnected drive and add to the array to resync and go from there? --- N: Jon Hardcastle E: j...@ehardcastle.com 'Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring worries of its own.' *** Please note, I am phasing out jd_hardcastle AT yahoo.com and replacing it with jon AT eHardcastle.com *** --- I don't know much about what all you have installed but I suspect that a fresh start would be easier. It may even be faster as well. Just save your world file and the things you need in /etc. Also, save anything else you may have configured elsewhere. I also save my /root since I store some scripts and such there. My $0.02 worth. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage device slow in Gentoo, fast in Windows...?
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Michael Holmes holmesm...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/12/27 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Hung Dang hungp...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/26/09 15:54, Paul Hartman wrote: Hi, I got a Nokia N900 linux internet tablet/phone a few days ago, and when I connect it in USB Mass Storage mode to a Windows Vista computer I can write at 17MB/sec, but when I connect it to my Gentoo box my writes are really slow, between 500-900kb/sec depending on if I mount in sync mode or not. As far as I know it should be just a totally standard/generic mass storage device. (there were no drivers or software install needed in windows, it just worked) Other USB devices plugged into the same port go full speed, and AFAIK everything appears as if it should be high speed USB 2.0. Has anyone seen something like this before? I'm not sure what the deal is. It takes 20 minutes to copy 1 gigabyte from Linux and takes just under 1 minute to do the same in Windows. I'm not sure about debugging USB or what the options are. Everything I've used previously has worked without any hassle. Have you received a lot of debugging messages at the output of dmesg when copying files? Hung No errors, no strange messages at all, it seems normal (only slow). I have other USB devices like SD card reader, external HDD, and they perform at full speed when plugged into the same port, so it's weird to me. Thanks Paul This isn't that helpful, but in Windows I get good thoroughputs in mass storage mode, but compartively weak ones in sync mode. But this shouldn't be the problem because as far as I know, there are no ync-mode drivers for good old Linux (which is ironic if you consider it). When I said sync mode I mean mounting the device in mass storage mode with with -o sync (as opposed to the default cached/async mode), which I believe is the default in Windows Vista Win7 (because most windows users cannot be bothered to unmount before pulling the plug). Thanks Well, after a bit more plugging/unplugging of all my USB devices into various ports in different orders, it seems to be going fast now. I hate USB :) Thanks for the help Maybe I spoke too soon. It seems what's happening is when I write a large amount of data, there are several pdflush threads at near 100% i/o wait. I'm thinking it's writing multiple streams over USB which is causing the massive slow-down. I'm using 2.6.31, and I see in 2.6.32 there is something called Per-backing-device based writeback which may help me here... I'll try the new kernel and report back :) There is a slight improvement but it's still very slow (less than 2MB/sec). It seems the problem happens if I try to copy more than 1 file to the device. If I copy/sync/copy/sync/copy/sync etc it goes faster, but that's extremely annoying!
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade or start over..
Jon Hardcastle ha scritto: Hi all, I have a gentoo circa 2008 install that i have pretty much the bare minimal to keep up to date... i now have the problem that i need to upgrade mdadm, lvm and probably a few other bits and pieces. This machine is used almost exclusively as a windows file server. I am getting blocks all over the show and lots of applications needs reinstalling/upgradining on a emerge world. i have also had problems getting the kernel to do what it needs to do a i installed the minimal when i started.. So i am wondering... it is easier to try and upgrade it, or as i have 2 raid 1 drives as the operating system drives and the rest of the drives are pure data, i can disconnect one and wipe the other reinstall from fresh as a degraded raid 1 and when i know we are good to go, wipe the disconnected drive and add to the array to resync and go from there? Well, I am updating my desktop system which was in pretty the same conditions (kernel, xorg, etc. being stuck since beginning of 2008) and I must say that, while long and not without bumps, the upgrade has been not as bad as I thought. Expect to use a week of your time, however -I still haven't finished even if most critical stuff (kernel, xorg, new kde) is more or less in place. Reinstalling maybe is cleaner, but I am unsure it will take less time, unless you carefully copy your /etc and your user configuration files, and then you remember why you did what, etc. when putting them back. m. --- N: Jon Hardcastle E: j...@ehardcastle.com 'Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring worries of its own.' *** Please note, I am phasing out jd_hardcastle AT yahoo.com and replacing it with jon AT eHardcastle.com *** ---
[gentoo-user] Re: Writing a bash script or thinking about it anyway.
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:19:37 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: »Q« wrote: It's current and it's fine for Gentoo. It's in the portage tree as app-doc/abs-guide, in case you want a local copy. I'm installing this and will give it a read when I get some free time. I hope this will not be to long. I'd forgotten about this, but drobbins wrote a series of three Bash by Example articles almost ten years ago, and the first two cover a lot of the fundamental stuff. I found them useful when I was starting out. (Heh, I'm not sure I'm done starting out.) http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-bash.html Some of the Gentoo-specific things in the third article aren't true any more, for example, Bash is an essential component of the Gentoo Linux ebuild system. -- »Q« Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade or start over..
On Sunday 27 December 2009 21:46:23 Jon Hardcastle wrote: Hi all, I have a gentoo circa 2008 install that i have pretty much the bare minimal to keep up to date... i now have the problem that i need to upgrade mdadm, lvm and probably a few other bits and pieces. This machine is used almost exclusively as a windows file server. I am getting blocks all over the show and lots of applications needs reinstalling/upgradining on a emerge world. i have also had problems getting the kernel to do what it needs to do a i installed the minimal when i started.. So i am wondering... it is easier to try and upgrade it, or as i have 2 raid 1 drives as the operating system drives and the rest of the drives are pure data, i can disconnect one and wipe the other reinstall from fresh as a degraded raid 1 and when i know we are good to go, wipe the disconnected drive and add to the array to resync and go from there? the mdadm/lvm blocks are easy to fix, just unmerge mdadm and merge lvm. Then upgrade portage to latest *masked* version (it's stable and trouble-free despite the classification), and most of the remaining blockers should be resolved automatically by portage. Depending on what remains, you may or may not decide to proceed with an upgrade as opposed to a reinstall. But it's only one year back, shouldn't give too much trouble on a minimalist system. Off the top of my head, I can only really think of the monolithic to split ebuild samba split -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] The current correct way to start kde 4
Hi all, I've browsed the forums, documentation etc and can find a lot of options/opinions but nothing definitive. Can someone please point me at a document that outlines the current correct way to start kde 4. I wish to have kde as the default login manager for all users of a gentoo box. Any thoughts, greatly appreciated. Andrew
[gentoo-user] Mothballing a ~arch gentoo system?
When an old (circa 2001) desktop came out of retirement a few months ago, I shuffled across Linuxes trying to find something that worked well, and finally hit on gentoo. I eventually switched to ~x86 because I was tired of using versions of apps from 6 months ago... Too make a long story short, I have a new computer now and that one is going back into retirement. I may want to use it more in future and would like to know how I would go about mothballing it so that if it ever needs to be used again, bringing it up to date will be as smooth and painless as possible. If I need to resurrect it, it will probably be at least a year from now. What would you recommend? Marcus
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo the Real-Time kernel
It's the only kernel I've used in years. In fact I've never run gentoo-sources for any reason other than installation. With my HDSP9652 I can run sub-1 mS delays consistently. You'll find the real-time kernel in the pro-audio overlay as 'rt-sources'. You might consider joining the pro-audio overlay email list to get questions answered about configuration, not that they cannot be answered here but pretty much everyone there is running it exclusively. Note that the leading edge rt-sources kernel does tend to be a bit behind the mainline kernel so you'll want to be a bit more careful with things like closed source video drivers and the like. While not so bad now there have been times in the past where the nvidia driver did cause real-time problems. (Called 'xruns' in the audio world due to the way Jack reports these problems.) I tend to run the Open source video drivers to simply reduce the number of problems I might run into but many, many people run both the ATI and nvidia closed source drivers without any problems. Have fun, Mark Thanks Mark, I'm going to join that list. - Grant Has anyone tried the Real-Time kernel with Gentoo? http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page Does anyone know if there are RT sources in an overlay anywhere? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] The current correct way to start kde 4
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml This is the most appropriate guide. However, I don't see any problem with just simple universal install: 1) eix kde-meta packages and choose the ones you would like to install and then simply emerge # this would pull all of the kde packages # emerge kde-meta # if you would like just the basic set of packages # emerge kdebase-meta 2) in your /etc/conf.d/xdm change the displaymanager option to simply kdm # nano /etc/conf.d/xdm ... DISPLAYMANAGER=kdm ... That'd be it :) 2009/12/28 Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au Hi all, I've browsed the forums, documentation etc and can find a lot of options/opinions but nothing definitive. Can someone please point me at a document that outlines the current correct way to start kde 4. I wish to have kde as the default login manager for all users of a gentoo box. Any thoughts, greatly appreciated. Andrew -- Kirill Lipatov klipa...@ku.edu
Re: [gentoo-user] Mothballing a ~arch gentoo system?
Marcus Wanner wrote: When an old (circa 2001) desktop came out of retirement a few months ago, I shuffled across Linuxes trying to find something that worked well, and finally hit on gentoo. I eventually switched to ~x86 because I was tired of using versions of apps from 6 months ago... Too make a long story short, I have a new computer now and that one is going back into retirement. I may want to use it more in future and would like to know how I would go about mothballing it so that if it ever needs to be used again, bringing it up to date will be as smooth and painless as possible. If I need to resurrect it, it will probably be at least a year from now. What would you recommend? Marcus Portage is better but that is a while to go without a update. It mostly depends on what all is updated with some sort of hiccup between the time you shut it down and the time you try to update it again. If there is no major problems then it wouldn't be a issue but of there is multiple packages with issues, then you have a problem. Me, I would put it in a closet or something with a ethernet cable hooked up and just update it say once every 6 to 8 weeks. Just hope for the best after that. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] The current correct way to start kde 4
Andrew Lowe wrote: Hi all, I've browsed the forums, documentation etc and can find a lot of options/opinions but nothing definitive. Can someone please point me at a document that outlines the current correct way to start kde 4. I wish to have kde as the default login manager for all users of a gentoo box. Any thoughts, greatly appreciated. Andrew xdm set to use kdm to login? That's what I use here. You can have multiple uses with it too. Is that what you are talking about? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.3 tweenview does not work
have they changed the definition of the word, or i were wrong at the first place? On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 26 December 2009 19:29:10 Xi Shen wrote: hi, my system is gentoo amd64, kde-4.3, my graphic card is nvidia's. i use nvidia-settings to set up my two displayer to work in the tweenview mode. it supposed to have two separate desktop, instead it have a large desktop expand two displayer. on gnome and windows, tweenview always sets up two separate desktop. how can i set this on kde? Per the nvidia-driver docs (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-drivers-190.53/README.bz2), TwinView is designed to give you one large desktop and there's not much you can do about that in KDE. See Chap 15 of that same doc for a description of how to configure two separate screens. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- Best Regards, David Shen http://twitter.com/davidshen84/ http://meme.yahoo.com/davidshen84/
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.3 tweenview does not work
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Xi Shen davidshe...@googlemail.com wrote: have they changed the definition of the word, or i were wrong at the first place? On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 26 December 2009 19:29:10 Xi Shen wrote: hi, my system is gentoo amd64, kde-4.3, my graphic card is nvidia's. i use nvidia-settings to set up my two displayer to work in the tweenview mode. it supposed to have two separate desktop, instead it have a large desktop expand two displayer. on gnome and windows, tweenview always sets up two separate desktop. how can i set this on kde? Per the nvidia-driver docs (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-drivers-190.53/README.bz2), TwinView is designed to give you one large desktop and there's not much you can do about that in KDE. See Chap 15 of that same doc for a description of how to configure two separate screens. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- Best Regards, David Shen http://twitter.com/davidshen84/ http://meme.yahoo.com/davidshen84/ why i cannot find the file you mentioned? it looks like i do not have it installed. how can i install it? -- Best Regards, David Shen http://twitter.com/davidshen84/ http://meme.yahoo.com/davidshen84/
Re: [gentoo-user] The current correct way to start kde 4
well yeah. I just think that setting the kdm as the login manager is the easiest way to automatically start kde4 session after loging in. However, kdm is of course not mandatory and it can do more than just start kde4 2009/12/28 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Andrew Lowe wrote: Hi all, I've browsed the forums, documentation etc and can find a lot of options/opinions but nothing definitive. Can someone please point me at a document that outlines the current correct way to start kde 4. I wish to have kde as the default login manager for all users of a gentoo box. Any thoughts, greatly appreciated. Andrew xdm set to use kdm to login? That's what I use here. You can have multiple uses with it too. Is that what you are talking about? Dale :-) :-) -- Kirill Lipatov klipa...@ku.edu
Re: [gentoo-user] The current correct way to start kde 4
On Montag 28 Dezember 2009, Kirill Lipatov wrote: well yeah. I just think that setting the kdm as the login manager is the easiest way to automatically start kde4 session after loging in. However, kdm is of course not mandatory and it can do more than just start kde4 OP wrote he wanted 'kde' as login manager. Which implies he wants kdm.
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.3 tweenview does not work
Xi Shen wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Xi Shen davidshe...@googlemail.com wrote: have they changed the definition of the word, or i were wrong at the first place? On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 26 December 2009 19:29:10 Xi Shen wrote: hi, my system is gentoo amd64, kde-4.3, my graphic card is nvidia's. i use nvidia-settings to set up my two displayer to work in the tweenview mode. it supposed to have two separate desktop, instead it have a large desktop expand two displayer. on gnome and windows, tweenview always sets up two separate desktop. how can i set this on kde? Per the nvidia-driver docs (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-drivers-190.53/README.bz2), TwinView is designed to give you one large desktop and there's not much you can do about that in KDE. See Chap 15 of that same doc for a description of how to configure two separate screens. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- Best Regards, David Shen http://twitter.com/davidshen84/ http://meme.yahoo.com/davidshen84/ why i cannot find the file you mentioned? it looks like i do not have it installed. how can i install it? It should get installed with nvidia-drivers: j...@jhb5970 ~ $ equery belongs /usr/share/doc/nvidia-drivers-185.18.36/README.bz2 [ Searching for file(s) /usr/share/doc/nvidia-drivers-185.18.36/README.bz2 in *... ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-185.18.36 (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-drivers-185.18.36/README.bz2) You may have to substitute your nvidia-drivers version number for the 185.18.36 in my path, or the 190.53 in Alan's path? John H. Moe
Re: [gentoo-user] Mothballing a ~arch gentoo system?
On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 20:45 -0600, Dale wrote: Marcus Wanner wrote: When an old (circa 2001) desktop came out of retirement a few months ago, I shuffled across Linuxes trying to find something that worked well, and finally hit on gentoo. I eventually switched to ~x86 because I was tired of using versions of apps from 6 months ago... Too make a long story short, I have a new computer now and that one is going back into retirement. I may want to use it more in future and would like to know how I would go about mothballing it so that if it ever needs to be used again, bringing it up to date will be as smooth and painless as possible. If I need to resurrect it, it will probably be at least a year from now. What would you recommend? Marcus Portage is better but that is a while to go without a update. It mostly depends on what all is updated with some sort of hiccup between the time you shut it down and the time you try to update it again. If there is no major problems then it wouldn't be a issue but of there is multiple packages with issues, then you have a problem. Me, I would put it in a closet or something with a ethernet cable hooked up and just update it say once every 6 to 8 weeks. Just hope for the best after that. Dale :-) :-) I have an emergency desktop system at work that I recently pulled out of storage to use (laptop HD died!). Once used, I spent quite a while updating it and was just going to put it aside using Dales suggestion when this thread got me thinking. I am going to clean out gnome and anything not of immediate use leaving just a bare desktop and minimal tools needed for emergency use (OO, evolution) - I'll replace gnome with fluxbox first. Then if it needs to get serious use other packages can be added on the fly. If it looks like longer term use, its easy to add gnome etc back overnight, and while continuing to use the fluxbox desktop. The minimal system should be quicker and simpler to update than a crufty system - and if you have to update much of gnome and the like, updating/reinstalling might take longer than building from scratch anyway (going by my last update to gnome :) BillK
