Re: [gentoo-user] Device notifier and LVM device
Dale wrote: Howdy, As most know, I started using LVM a bit ago. I noticed something odd tho. KDE's device notifier thingy sees the LVM partition and even gives the mount/unmount option. This makes me wonder. I'm concerned that I may click that thing by mistake. I already did it once but luckily I was downloading a NCIS episode and Seamonkey had it in use. That kept if from unmounting. None of my other partitions or drives show up except the LVM one. I do have it set to not show the regular drives but I guess LVM is not regular. It does show a CD or USB stick as normal tho. That is all I want it to show really. I have Removable Devices Only clicked in the settings. My question is, how to make it not show up in there? I looked and I can't find anything to prevent it. Ideas? Dale :-) :-) LOL This is funny. I fixed it. On the little device notifier thingy, left click then go to the device you want to hide, right click then click the hide button. I'm glad I pushed with the wrong finger. My meds are acting strange tonight. o_O Now everybody knows how to fix this. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
Hello! I decided to upgrade LibreOffice this week to the verstion 3.4.4. Before trying to build this package, emerge performed the pre-check of available space on my hard disk - 9GB. I did have this amount of free space on the drive, but I noticed that after about 8 hours of compiling it took only ~4 GB on my HDD. First of all, I thought that it was compiling *really* slowly and that it hadn't even made a half of the job. However, after about a half an hour it finished with success and I noticed that altogether it took about 4.5 GB on HDD. So it checked 9GB (and earlier versions of LO indeed needed almost such amount of free space), but took only as much as 4.5 GB. The question is: why? P.S. Today I tried to install LO v.3.4.4 on the machine with about 6 GB of free space. Emerge performed its regular pre-check and refused to build the package. I changed the CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=9G to CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=5G in libreoffice-3.4.4.2-r1.ebuild and everything went fine. Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net
Re: [gentoo-user] Vim stops installing when it runs installman.sh
On Sunday 20 Nov 2011 01:43:47 1990 dqgcs wrote: Thanks for reply! I am sorry to tell you i have installed vim by emerge ,but i failed ,so i try to use vim7.3.266'source code for debug :( .Now what could i do?i am almost crazy now!!! No need to go crazy! :-) Run MAKEOPTS=-j1 emerge -uaDv app-editors/vim and post here the error. This may be shown a few pages above where the emerge fails - so you will need to scroll up a bit. Hopefully someone on this list would know what to suggest. PS. Also check https://bugs.gentoo.org/ in case someone has already reported this problem. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] What provides font 7x14-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz in Gentoo?
On 2011-11-20 03:17, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: - Out of sheer desperation, I dug through *.pcf.gz files on another machine, and copied over 7x14-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz, which finally got xfreecell working. I have that installed: equery b /usr/share/fonts/misc/7x14-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz gives: media-fonts/font-misc-misc HTH Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
20 v...@ukr.net wrote: I decided to upgrade LibreOffice to 3.4.4. Before trying to build it, emerge performed the pre-check of available space on my hard disk - 9GB. I did have this amount of free space on the drive, but I noticed that after about 8 hours of compiling it took only ~4 GB on my HDD. I ran into a similar problem, compounded by the fact that it was checking the wrong HDD directory. The solution was to update to the latest testing version of Portage, when it checked the correct dir, which had enough space. It needed c 3,5 GB ( 3,36 GB near the end, but I missed the peak), which is the usual amount. It took 1 h 56 m with my Core 2 Duo CPU. See Forum thread http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6864358.html . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
Am Sonntag 20 November 2011, 11:09:05 schrieb v...@ukr.net: Hello! I decided to upgrade LibreOffice this week to the verstion 3.4.4. Before trying to build this package, emerge performed the pre-check of available space on my hard disk - 9GB. I did have this amount of free space on the drive, but I noticed that after about 8 hours of compiling it took only ~4 GB on my HDD. First of all, I thought that it was compiling *really* slowly and that it hadn't even made a half of the job. However, after about a half an hour it finished with success and I noticed that altogether it took about 4.5 GB on HDD. So it checked 9GB (and earlier versions of LO indeed needed almost such amount of free space), but took only as much as 4.5 GB. The question is: why? P.S. Today I tried to install LO v.3.4.4 on the machine with about 6 GB of free space. Emerge performed its regular pre-check and refused to build the package. I changed the CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=9G to CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=5G in libreoffice-3.4.4.2-r1.ebuild and everything went fine. Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net no need to edit ebuilds: I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING=yes in make.conf -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 4:09 AM, v...@ukr.net wrote: Hello! I decided to upgrade LibreOffice this week to the verstion 3.4.4. Before trying to build this package, emerge performed the pre-check of available space on my hard disk - 9GB. I did have this amount of free space on the drive, but I noticed that after about 8 hours of compiling it took only ~4 GB on my HDD. First of all, I thought that it was compiling *really* slowly and that it hadn't even made a half of the job. However, after about a half an hour it finished with success and I noticed that altogether it took about 4.5 GB on HDD. So it checked 9GB (and earlier versions of LO indeed needed almost such amount of free space), but took only as much as 4.5 GB. The question is: why? I'll venture a guess that it may have approached 9GB either with some short-lived files, or *would* have approached 9GB with a different USE flag or other configuration combination. P.S. Today I tried to install LO v.3.4.4 on the machine with about 6 GB of free space. Emerge performed its regular pre-check and refused to build the package. I changed the CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=9G to CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=5G in libreoffice-3.4.4.2-r1.ebuild and everything went fine. Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING=yes in make.conf This feature makes me smile.
[gentoo-user] Can't get racoon IPSec going on the client machine
Hi All, I have been trying for some time now to set up a road warrior VPN client so that I can connect to my home router and administer machines on the LAN. However, my understanding of IPSec is poor and consequently my configuration of racoon is not working. There are other apps out there like strongswan, but would really like to learn to do it using the vanilla racoon and kernel set up first rather than apply another layer of software to it. Could some kind soul give me a nudge in troubleshooting this? On the home router I have: public IP: 123.456.78.9 LAN: 10.10.10.0/24 router LAN IP: 10.10.10.1 respond anymode local-id fqdn router1_VPN peer any encryption aes-256-cbc authentication pre-share DH group 2 crypto ipsec transform-set esp-aes-256-cbc-esp-sha-hmac esp-aes-256-cbc esp- sha-hmac mode tunnel On the laptop, I have this in the racoon.conf: === # Racoon IKE daemon configuration file. # See 'man racoon.conf' for a description of the format and entries. path pre_shared_key /etc/racoon/psk.txt; path certificate /etc/racoon/certs; path script /etc/racoon; listen { # socket used for communication between racoon and racoonctl adminsock /var/run/racoon/racoon.sock root operator 0660; } remote 123.456.78.9 { exchange_mode aggressive; my_identifier fqdn dell_xps_VPN; peers_identifier fqdn router1_VPN; mode_cfg on; proposal_check obey; # nat_traversal on; # ike_frag on; # script /etc/racoon/phase1_up_down.sh phase1_up; # script /etc/racoon/phase1_up_downdown.sh phase1_down; proposal { encryption_algorithm aes; hash_algorithm sha1; authentication_method pre_shared_key; dh_group 2; } } sainfo anonymous { lifetime time 1 hour; encryption_algorithm aes; authentication_algorithm hmac_sha1; compression_algorithm deflate; } === I connect to the Internet using my mobile and I get this from the ISP: # netstat -rn Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 0.0.0.0 193.30.166.30.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 ppp0 127.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 lo 193.30.166.30.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 0 ppp0 Where 193.30.166.3 is the ISP's gateway. The ppp0 ip address is 10.149.124.40: # ifconfig loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:252 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:252 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:10678 (10.4 KiB) TX bytes:10678 (10.4 KiB) ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:10.149.124.40 P-t-P:193.30.166.3 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:74 (74.0 B) TX bytes:107 (107.0 B) Now the problem is that upon starting racoon I do not see a tunnel being formed and indeed I cannot connect to machines in the LAN. This from the log: == Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: Reading configuration from /etc/racoon/racoon.conf Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: NOTIFY: NAT-T is enabled, autoconfiguring ports Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: 127.0.0.1[500] used as isakmp port (fd=7) Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: 127.0.0.1[500] used for NAT-T Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: 127.0.0.1[4500] used as isakmp port (fd=8) Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: 127.0.0.1[4500] used for NAT-T Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: 10.149.124.40[500] used as isakmp port (fd=9) Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: 10.149.124.40[500] used for NAT-T Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: 10.149.124.40[4500] used as isakmp port (fd=10) Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: 10.149.124.40[4500] used for NAT-T Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: ::1[500] used as isakmp port (fd=11) Nov 20 13:40:59 dell_xps racoon: INFO: ::1[4500] used as isakmp port (fd=12) == Why is it not showing the public router address 123.456.78.9 or the router LAN address and shows the loopback instead? I tried including this up/down script but it made no odds: == #!/bin/bash # # manipulate IPSec SA database on behalf of the racoon daemon # Gabriel Somlo somlo at cmu edu, 08/27/2007 # #FIXME: read this from, e.g., /etc/sysconfig/racoon NAT_T=yes shopt -s nocasematch umask
Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?
On 2011-11-15 07:21, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: The purpose of this email is to ask adventurous people here to beta test my approach to a udev-less Gentoo. If we don't find any showstopper problems, we can think about requesting Gentoo developers to support an mdev-based profile. It would help the cause if a large number of testers can report that it works for them. The instructions for a udev-ectomy follow below. Thanks to Zac Medico and others on the Gentoo developers' list for their helpful hints and pointers on how to do this. I couldn't have figured this out by myself. I apologize for not having replied sooner. This sounds very interesting and I will try this out, when I can find the time to tinker. Thanks for doing this! Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. -- Neil Bothwick Indecision is the key to flexibility. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Out of memory error
On Saturday 19 Nov 2011 17:37:59 Hans Müller wrote: On Saturday, 19. November 2011 20:08:36 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Nov 19, 2011 7:28 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: And, finally, yeah..that isn't just not much, that's a terribly small amount of memory. Assuming you've kept the software current, some of your applications have certainly not been maintained with 600MB of system memory in mind. Indeed. With less than 800MB, gcc fails to upgrade. Always. For some RAM-constrained systems (e.g. the VMs in my company's cloud), I even have to do an out-of-the-box upgrade, i.e., upgrade an identical copy on the physical data center, grab the binpkg tarball, and upload the tarball to the cloud. If you provide enough swap this shouldn't be an issue. I have a box running Xen dom0 with 680MB RAM and 1.5GB swap and it compiles everything fine so far. Of course I didn't emerge firefox, libreoffice or similar packages on this system, but at least for gcc this is fine. Best regards Thanks again for all the advice received. I've added a few swap files to bring swap up to 1206984k and libxul.so was finally built and installed without bringing the machine to its knees. :-) It seems that with time applications are getting bigger than what they used to be. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On 20 November 2011 18:32, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range.
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
Hello! On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I'll venture a guess that it may have approached 9GB either with some short-lived files, or *would* have approached 9GB with a different USE flag or other configuration combination. ... Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Yes, I thought so too, but I use the same set of USE flags for quite a long time, and previous versions of LO really needed the stated amount of free space. At least, more than 6 GB. And the last version (3.4.4) not only needs about a half of the stated space, it needs *less* space than the previous versions. It may mean that the newer version is *substantially* reworked though, which is very good. :) Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Nov 20, 2011 2:04 PM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 November 2011 18:32, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range. Imractical; you'd have a count of possible sizes increase geometrically with the number of USE flags, and it's not going to be something so simple as this adds N MB, this adds M MB...
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, v...@ukr.net wrote: Hello! On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I'll venture a guess that it may have approached 9GB either with some short-lived files, or *would* have approached 9GB with a different USE flag or other configuration combination. ... Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Yes, I thought so too, but I use the same set of USE flags for quite a long time, and previous versions of LO really needed the stated amount of free space. At least, more than 6 GB. And the last version (3.4.4) not only needs about a half of the stated space, it needs *less* space than the previous versions. It may mean that the newer version is *substantially* reworked though, which is very good. :) I forget the name of the tool that predicts compile times based on package sets and USE flags. Perhaps it could be expanded to collect data and predict disk requirements? It'd almost require stracing the compile process tree or FAMing the build directory tree, though; polling with 'du' might miss a peak usage point. (And would certainly slow things down) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
James Broadhead wrote: On 20 November 2011 18:32, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range. Then people will complain that it takes to long for emerge to figure out how much space each combination of USE flags will need, if there is even a way to do it. I doubt there is a way to do that unless some dev wants to spend the time compiling each combination and test it. The funny thing is, my partition runs out of space on /var so I have to mount portage's work directory on tmpfs to have the space to compile LOo. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Out of memory error
Mick wrote: It seems that with time applications are getting bigger than what they used to be. It shouldn't just seem that way, they are. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:58:22 + James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 November 2011 18:32, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range. If the maintainer implemented that, he'd be promptly inundated with all manner of support question none of which he can answer accurately. A slight mis-measurement on how much space a specific setup needs results in a failed build, or a build that won't start or any amount of other craziness. Read the maintainer's blog sometime (it's on the gentoo.org frontpage) to get a sense of what it takes to maintain that bitch of a project. Something as simple as figuring out what packages LibreOffice bundles and making the ebuild use the system one instead is a mammoth task. Don't forget that every little tweak is 2 hours of building just to test if it builds. Then one has to test if it works I'm not surprised the OOo and LibreOffice ebuilds take the easy route - figure out by enabling everything the maximum amount of free space OOo ould possibly need to build, then insist the build host has at least that much free. Heck, I'd do exactly the same. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM and LABELS in fstab
James Wall wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a way to make this work? I googled but I couldn't find anything on this one. Well, a few worthless hits that just happen to have the words on the same page for some reason. Look for /dev/dm-0 to monitor your lvm partition. that is what I use to monitor my LVM /, swap, and /home partitions in the monitor setup. Dale :-) :-) I don't see that option here. All I have is sd* and sr0. Also composite for all drives. [ebuild R] app-admin/gkrellm-2.3.5 USE=X hddtemp nls ssl -gnutls -lm_sensors -ntlm Your flags look something like mine? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] Help; ISO8859-1 fonts not being installed
At least I know what the problem is, so I'm changing the subject to more appropriate title. Thanks to Peter K for confirming that the font I wanted should have been installed by font-misc-misc. Just to confirm my problem... The only uncommented entry in /etc/locale.gen is en_US ISO-8859-1 [d531][root][~] locale-gen * Generating 1 locales (this might take a while) with 1 jobs * (1/1) Generating en_US.ISO-8859-1 ... [ ok ] * Generation complete When I emerge font-misc-misc, ISO8859-1 fonts do not get built. See attached build.log.gz. Note... checking whether to build ISO8859-1 fonts... no ### What ?!?!?! checking whether to build ISO8859-2 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-3 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-4 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-5 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-7 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-8 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-9 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-10 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-11 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-13 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-14 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-15 fonts... no checking whether to build ISO8859-16 fonts... no checking whether to build KOI8-R fonts... no checking whether to build JISX0201 fonts... no What's going on??? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org build.log.gz Description: Binary data
[gentoo-user] I'm getting this error when I log into PHPMYADMIN (/htdocs/phpmyadmin/libraries/Error.class.php on line 179)
Hello mates, I'm having this problem: I'm trying to access to phpmyadmin: http://localhost/phpmyadmin and the ONLY thing I can see is the following error: *Notice*: Array to string conversion in * /var/www/localhost/htdocs/phpmyadmin/libraries/Error.class.php* on line *179 * * * * * I don't know why is this happening, since I've just updated PHP, but also, I'm using both version of PHP 5.3.9 and 5.4.0 Any help? I tried re-emerging (does not work) I tried: /usr/sbin/webapp-config -C -h localhost -u root -d /phpmyadmin phpmyadmin 3.4.7 (does not work) I'm using Gentoo ~AMD64 here is my information file: http://tinypaste.com/78c37811 Regards -- Carlos Sura.- www.carlossura.com
Re: [gentoo-user] I'm getting this error when I log into PHPMYADMIN (/htdocs/phpmyadmin/libraries/Error.class.php on line 179)
Check php.net for docs around error handling, specifically where to send errors (you want it going to a log file, not the web browser), and what severity of error to stop the script at; normally, NOTICE and WARNING grade errors still leave most apps functioning...but that's tunable in php.ini. It's also very likely that there's something else wrong, but I don't have any good first guesses. ZZ On Nov 20, 2011 9:32 PM, Carlos Sura carlos.su...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello mates, I'm having this problem: I'm trying to access to phpmyadmin: http://localhost/phpmyadmin and the ONLY thing I can see is the following error: *Notice*: Array to string conversion in * /var/www/localhost/htdocs/phpmyadmin/libraries/Error.class.php* on line * 179* * * * * I don't know why is this happening, since I've just updated PHP, but also, I'm using both version of PHP 5.3.9 and 5.4.0 Any help? I tried re-emerging (does not work) I tried: /usr/sbin/webapp-config -C -h localhost -u root -d /phpmyadmin phpmyadmin 3.4.7 (does not work) I'm using Gentoo ~AMD64 here is my information file: http://tinypaste.com/78c37811 Regards -- Carlos Sura.- www.carlossura.com
Re: [gentoo-user] I'm getting this error when I log into PHPMYADMIN (/htdocs/phpmyadmin/libraries/Error.class.php on line 179)
On Monday 21 Nov 2011 02:53:20 Michael Mol wrote: Check php.net for docs around error handling, specifically where to send errors (you want it going to a log file, not the web browser), and what severity of error to stop the script at; normally, NOTICE and WARNING grade errors still leave most apps functioning...but that's tunable in php.ini. It's also very likely that there's something else wrong, but I don't have any good first guesses. ZZ Also go to line 179 (referred to in the error you get) and look for any obvious missing files, links, etc. that may be causing this. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.