[gentoo-user] Filesize error downloading eigen-3.0.3
Hi, I am trying to install freecad which pulls in dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3. I get a filesize error which prevents installation of eigen. Any clues on how to solve this problem? Thanks Denis Here is portage output: Emerging (1 of 3) dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3 from science * Fetching files in the background. To view fetch progress, run * `tail -f /var/log/emerge-fetch.log` in another terminal. Downloading 'http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gentoo/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2' --2012-01-25 10:25:26-- http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gentoo/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2 Resolving mirror.switch.ch... 130.59.10.36, 2001:620:0:8::20 Connecting to mirror.switch.ch|130.59.10.36|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2012-01-25 10:25:26 ERROR 404: Not Found. Downloading 'http://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/get/3.0.3.tar.bz2' --2012-01-25 10:25:26-- http://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/get/3.0.3.tar.bz2 Resolving bitbucket.org... 207.223.240.181, 207.223.240.182 Connecting to bitbucket.org|207.223.240.181|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently Location: https://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/get/3.0.3.tar.bz2 [following] --2012-01-25 10:25:26-- https://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/get/3.0.3.tar.bz2 Connecting to bitbucket.org|207.223.240.181|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 956798 (934K) [application/x-bzip-compressed-tar] Saving to: `/usr/portage/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2' 100%[==] 956,798 458K/s in 2.0s 2012-01-25 10:25:29 (458 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2' saved [956798/956798] !!! Fetched file: eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2 VERIFY FAILED! !!! Reason: Filesize does not match recorded size !!! Got: 956798 !!! Expected: 955653 Refetching... File renamed to '/usr/portage/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2._checksum_failure_.nOd3Qz' !!! Couldn't download 'eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2'. Aborting. * Fetch failed for 'dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3', Log file: * '/var/tmp/portage/dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3/temp/build.log' Failed to emerge dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3, Log file: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3/temp/build.log'
Re: [gentoo-user] Filesize error downloading eigen-3.0.3
denis cohen wrote: Hi, I am trying to install freecad which pulls in dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3. I get a filesize error which prevents installation of eigen. Any clues on how to solve this problem? Thanks Denis Here is portage output: Emerging (1 of 3) dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3 from science * Fetching files in the background. To view fetch progress, run * `tail -f /var/log/emerge-fetch.log` in another terminal. Downloading 'http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gentoo/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2' --2012-01-25 10:25:26-- http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gentoo/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2 Resolving mirror.switch.ch... 130.59.10.36, 2001:620:0:8::20 Connecting to mirror.switch.ch|130.59.10.36|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2012-01-25 10:25:26 ERROR 404: Not Found. Downloading 'http://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/get/3.0.3.tar.bz2' --2012-01-25 10:25:26-- http://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/get/3.0.3.tar.bz2 Resolving bitbucket.org... 207.223.240.181, 207.223.240.182 Connecting to bitbucket.org|207.223.240.181|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently Location: https://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/get/3.0.3.tar.bz2 [following] --2012-01-25 10:25:26-- https://bitbucket.org/eigen/eigen/get/3.0.3.tar.bz2 Connecting to bitbucket.org|207.223.240.181|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 956798 (934K) [application/x-bzip-compressed-tar] Saving to: `/usr/portage/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2' 100%[==] 956,798 458K/s in 2.0s 2012-01-25 10:25:29 (458 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2' saved [956798/956798] !!! Fetched file: eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2 VERIFY FAILED! !!! Reason: Filesize does not match recorded size !!! Got: 956798 !!! Expected: 955653 Refetching... File renamed to '/usr/portage/distfiles/eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2._checksum_failure_.nOd3Qz' !!! Couldn't download 'eigen-3.0.3.tar.bz2'. Aborting. * Fetch failed for 'dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3', Log file: * '/var/tmp/portage/dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3/temp/build.log' Failed to emerge dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3, Log file: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3/temp/build.log' If you are certain the file is correct, you can use ebuild to rebuild the digest. Keep in mind tho, if there is something wrong with the file, you get to keep the pieces. It will build/compile that even if it is altered somehow that it shouldn't be. Basically, that bypasses all the security portage has to make sure you get the right thing. Also, when you sync again, it will be reset to whatever is in the tree. This is temporary. I think the command is something like ebuild path-to-ebuild-including-version digest If you are not certain of the file, wait a while then sync again. If you are in a hurry, try to find the closest Gentoo server, which I would think would get updated the fastest, and sync with it. Hope this helps. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Filesize error downloading eigen-3.0.3
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:38:59 +0100, denis cohen wrote: I am trying to install freecad which pulls in dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3. I get a filesize error which prevents installation of eigen. Any clues on how to solve this problem? emerge --sync and try again. If that fails, try again using a different mirror. If that fails, file a bug report. You could also try downloading the file directly from the project's web site and putting it in $DISTDIR. -- Neil Bothwick What if there were no hypothetical situations? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?
On 01/24/2012 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just scanned through the gnome-control-center code looking for clues about pulse and found no sign that pulse is voluntary. So what would happen if I installed pulse and just didn't start the thing, what would I lose then? I tried that and found that the gnome applet for controlling the volume and mixer controls won't work without pulse. You can use some other app to change the volume, I suppose, but I didn't bother to try it. Seems like a losing battle in the long run. Maybe if we wait long enough pulse will actually become useful to ordinary everyday users.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:24:46 -0800 walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/24/2012 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just scanned through the gnome-control-center code looking for clues about pulse and found no sign that pulse is voluntary. So what would happen if I installed pulse and just didn't start the thing, what would I lose then? I tried that and found that the gnome applet for controlling the volume and mixer controls won't work without pulse. You can use some other app to change the volume, I suppose, but I didn't bother to try it. Seems like a losing battle in the long run. Maybe if we wait long enough pulse will actually become useful to ordinary everyday users. Why do you say that? (Serious question, I'm not jerking your chain) I also don't use pulse - plain ALSA is good enough for me - but looking over the design goals for pulseaudio I see a decent attempt to deal with audio properly for the future. These days we have computers and devices that can interact with many other things in weird and wonderful ways and software needs to deal with that. It's similar in a way to the rise of desktop environments in the past - instead of a bunch of isolated apps all doing their own thing independantly, systems like KDE created an environment where apps interacted nicely and all needed to plug into the same bus. Whether that goal was properly accomplished or not is a different debate :-) If a simpler desktop is your thing and you actually prefer *Box|XFCE or such then you have no need of pulse audio and that's OK. I just curious why you think that it's not useful to the ordinary user in a generic wide way. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?
walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/24/2012 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just scanned through the gnome-control-center code looking for clues about pulse and found no sign that pulse is voluntary. So what would happen if I installed pulse and just didn't start the thing, what would I lose then? I tried that and found that the gnome applet for controlling the volume and mixer controls won't work without pulse. You can use some other app to change the volume, I suppose, but I didn't bother to try it. Seems like a losing battle in the long run. Maybe if we wait long enough pulse will actually become useful to ordinary everyday users. I can use amixer to change the volume, so that is fine with me. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Proxy questions
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 06:14:22PM +, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 24 Jan 2012 17:08:43 fe...@crowfix.com wrote: I know, in general, what proxies do -- caching, filtering, and bypassing firewalls. I have even written a couple of very special purpose proxies. Now I need one for work, and don't realy want to write another custom special purpose when it seems there must be a canned one which can do the job. We have some vendors who transact business over special ports with custom protocols. We pay for these connections, and we only have two of them, good enough for QA, but when a developer needs to test code, they have to drag their machine over to QA and schedule time with one of these connections. What we need is a proxy which can take any number of connections on our side and funnel everything into one or two vendor connections. I don't know enough of the proxy jargon to know how to describe it. I imagine some kind of NAT. No filtering or caching; firewall penetration will be taken care of elsewhere. Any suggestions, or proxy education hints? I'm not entirely clear of your use case scenarios and the constraints you are trying to address with a proxy (e.g. why the developer does not connect directly to the vendors port(s) to access their service? ) but I'll guess that Because if the devs connect directly to the vendor, they will take over the limited connections we are allowed. Thus they need throttling and/or some kind of NAT. you probably need a reverse proxy/load balancer arrangement - something like pound, portfusion, or even nginx? BTW, did I mention apache mod_proxy? I am not sure what authentication arrangements you need to access your vendors ports, if you have VPNs or other secure tunnels between your site and the vendors', but let's say I'd read up on reverse proxies as a start. This should make the transaction transparent for your devs, they won't necessarily know which vendor they end up with after they hit your URL, but I am not sure if it will satisfactorily address the issue of scheduling time for a connection with your vendors at times of high demand. Once ports or vendor service limitations are reached the connections will eventually become saturated. I don't think saturation is a problem with the kind of dev work we do; our production systems handle hundreds of thousands of transactions an hour over a single connection. The real problem is that if devs grab that connection, production would stall immediately, so we have a separate connection for QA which devs will have to share without hogging; thus some proxy to funnel all requests into the single channel. Altho there is some possibility of the QA channel turning into two, that still needs to be shared amongst a dozen devs and QA. I'll look into all those buzzwords :-) -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / fe...@crowfix.com GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o
Re: [gentoo-user] PDF export/import in LibreOffice
On 23 January 2012 20:55, Daniel Troeder dan...@admin-box.com wrote: On 23.01.2012 01:00, Philip Webb wrote: During my usual Saturday system update, I noticed LibreOffice 3.5.0.1 is now testing, while there's an upgrade of LO 3.4 in stable. I tried 3.5.0.0 when it was briefly released a few weeks ago, but PDF export was not working. Has anyone used it with LO 3.5.0.1 ? Also, I compiled LO 3.4.3.2-r1 with USE=pdfimport, but it refuses actually to import a PDF when presented with one. Does anyone know if/how it is possible to get that to work as well ? Lots of those functions need java - make sure you have it configured in Options-LO-Java. The problem I'd have is: $ sudo revdep-rebuild -ie -- -pv ... * Checking dynamic linking consistency [ 68% ] * broken /usr/lib64/libreoffice/share/extensions/pdfimport/xpdfimport (requires libpoppler.so.13) ... Which stems from using a binary package (app-office/libreoffice-bin-3.4.3.2-r1) I guess... Maybe you have the same problem? Thanks for this post - I've been needing to use this functionality for the last few days, and hadn't tried building libreoffice. I just built app-office/libreoffice-3.5.0.1 (cleverly without USE=pdfimport, so I installed oracle-pdfimport.oxt manually), and although it took quite a lot of CPU time to Import, it's now working. Thanks again, James
[gentoo-user] OT: Sparse Matrices and Code Refactoring
Hello folks, Sparse matrix techniques[1] is a relatively new area of mathematics: many are struggling to leverage. In my research, I have learned about a recent phenomenon that may be quite useful to the larger Gentoo community. (EI) Emergent Inference is the specific new phenomenon [2] and is proposed to only currently exist inside the human brain. Deeper reading leads on to code refactoring [3] which is a hot topic on it's own; whereby software become better and better particularly manifested in maintainability and extensibility. enjoy! James [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_matrix [2] http://www.scicontrols.com/ [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_refactoring
Re: [gentoo-user] Filesize error downloading eigen-3.0.3
On 2012-01-25 10:38, denis cohen wrote: I am trying to install freecad which pulls in dev-cpp/eigen-3.0.3. I get a filesize error which prevents installation of eigen. Any clues on how to solve this problem? ebuild manifest path-to-eigen.ebuild IIRC... try man ebuild. Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] System shuts off on boot-up
Well, just to follow up on this - I did get the nouveau driver working and the system operational. - The console still does not work; don't know why but it seems to not get a working resolution. Not sure how to fix that right now. - Starting XDM (KDM) works, and brings up the login. - I am able to SSH in from another system now. Now, this was after I paid a little closer attention to some updates. I resync'd emerge, and got the 3.1.6 linux kernel, which I promptly upgraded to. I also went back and rebuilt the X11 drivers (nouveau, keyboard, mouse, evdev), and paid closer attention to the output of the nouveau driver which immediately started off saying there was an issue with the ACPI_WMI and MXM_WMI interfaces from the kernel - another kernel rebuild after enabling those (it had when I selected the driver I think, but I kept disabling the x86 features which removed them) and then it didn't complain any longer. So, I seem to have a working X environment; but no working console environment for now. I'm guessing I probably need to tell the nouveau frame buffer driver what resolution to use to resolve that one. Thanks all! Ben From: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] System shuts off on boot-up From: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] System shuts off on boot-up From: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:57:31 -0800 (PST), BRM wrote: As the system starts to boot-up, it switches like it is going to start X - changing a video mode somehow. I don't have xdm in the runlevels yet, so it can't be starting XDM at all.This seems to happen right after udevd is started, while it waiting on the udev events. The system then just shuts off (power remain on - fans are still on, but monitors are off, and nothing responds, etc.) , and it never completes boot-up. Do you have another computer you can use to test if it is alive with ping or SSH? This is occurring around the point at which KMS kicks in, you may be just losing your display but still have an otherwise working system. Yes SSH is enabled; no I can't SSH into it. It seems to be completely dead. Try adding nomodeset (or intel.modeset=0) to your kernel boot parameters to disable KMS. Ok. Setting nomodeset works. However, if I understand the nouveau driver correctly then that won't work for using the nouveau driver as it requires KMS. Digging a little deeper into the nouveau driver and KMS[1], I discovered that I probably need to have CONFIG_VT_HW_CONSOLE_BINDING set in the kernel config as well - which it wasn't. So that probably explains what was happening as CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE was set, so there may have been two drivers competing for fb0. Now off to build a new kernel... Well, that doesn't seem to have been the only problem at least...still don't know what's doing it. Ben
Re: [gentoo-user] System shuts off on boot-up
On Wednesday 25 Jan 2012 20:23:33 BRM wrote: Well, just to follow up on this - I did get the nouveau driver working and the system operational. - The console still does not work; don't know why but it seems to not get a working resolution. Not sure how to fix that right now. - Starting XDM (KDM) works, and brings up the login. - I am able to SSH in from another system now. Now, this was after I paid a little closer attention to some updates. I resync'd emerge, and got the 3.1.6 linux kernel, which I promptly upgraded to. I also went back and rebuilt the X11 drivers (nouveau, keyboard, mouse, evdev), and paid closer attention to the output of the nouveau driver which immediately started off saying there was an issue with the ACPI_WMI and MXM_WMI interfaces from the kernel - another kernel rebuild after enabling those (it had when I selected the driver I think, but I kept disabling the x86 features which removed them) and then it didn't complain any longer. So, I seem to have a working X environment; but no working console environment for now. I'm guessing I probably need to tell the nouveau frame buffer driver what resolution to use to resolve that one. Thanks all! Ben From: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] System shuts off on boot-up From: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] System shuts off on boot-up From: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:57:31 -0800 (PST), BRM wrote: As the system starts to boot-up, it switches like it is going to start X - changing a video mode somehow. I don't have xdm in the runlevels yet, so it can't be starting XDM at all.This seems to happen right after udevd is started, while it waiting on the udev events. The system then just shuts off (power remain on - fans are still on, but monitors are off, and nothing responds, etc.) , and it never completes boot-up. Do you have another computer you can use to test if it is alive with ping or SSH? This is occurring around the point at which KMS kicks in, you may be just losing your display but still have an otherwise working system. Yes SSH is enabled; no I can't SSH into it. It seems to be completely dead. Try adding nomodeset (or intel.modeset=0) to your kernel boot parameters to disable KMS. Ok. Setting nomodeset works. However, if I understand the nouveau driver correctly then that won't work for using the nouveau driver as it requires KMS. Digging a little deeper into the nouveau driver and KMS[1], I discovered that I probably need to have CONFIG_VT_HW_CONSOLE_BINDING set in the kernel config as well - which it wasn't. So that probably explains what was happening as CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE was set, so there may have been two drivers competing for fb0. Now off to build a new kernel... Well, that doesn't seem to have been the only problem at least...still don't know what's doing it. Does it work satisfactorily with kernel 3.0.6? I found the 3.1.6 breaking suspend on my machine so have gone back to 3.0.6, but my hardware and video driver is different to yours. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Proxy questions
On Wednesday 25 Jan 2012 17:11:36 fe...@crowfix.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 06:14:22PM +, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 24 Jan 2012 17:08:43 fe...@crowfix.com wrote: I'm not entirely clear of your use case scenarios and the constraints you are trying to address with a proxy (e.g. why the developer does not connect directly to the vendors port(s) to access their service? ) but I'll guess that Because if the devs connect directly to the vendor, they will take over the limited connections we are allowed. Thus they need throttling and/or some kind of NAT. OK, I understand now. I guess some reverse proxies offer the ability to throttle throughput and/or you can also apply QoS so that internal connections to the vendors are always given priority, while external connections coming from the devs are constrained appropriately. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] System shuts off on boot-up
- Original Message - From: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com Does it work satisfactorily with kernel 3.0.6? I found the 3.1.6 breaking suspend on my machine so have gone back to 3.0.6, but my hardware and video driver is different to yours. Haven't tried 3.0.6 with the kernel change for the ACPI_WMI and MXM_WMI options being set. I would imagine so as that is probably the issue - not having all the kernel options set correctly usually does interesting things like that. Ben
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?
An answer from a different Walter G... I also don't use pulse - plain ALSA is good enough for me - but looking over the design goals for pulseaudio I see a decent attempt to deal with audio properly for the future. These days we have computers and devices that can interact with many other things in weird and wonderful ways and software needs to deal with that. [...deletia...] I just curious why you think that it's not useful to the ordinary user in a generic wide way. I'll throw the question back to you. What specific benefits do you see? Not just generalities, but real life benfits, please. Sound daemons in general seem to be solutions in search of a problem. And if they couldn't find any problems to solve, they'd make up some new ones of their own. I remember the first I heard of pulseaudio was all the weeping and moaning of people on this forum and the GTALUG (Toronto area linux mailing list) trying to get sound working again after installing pulseaudio. Remember arts and esd? They went the way of HAL. Nuff said. The thing to remember is that humans cannot multitask audio very well. Try listening to 2 radio stations at once, and see what I mean. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: An answer from a different Walter G... I also don't use pulse - plain ALSA is good enough for me - but looking over the design goals for pulseaudio I see a decent attempt to deal with audio properly for the future. These days we have computers and devices that can interact with many other things in weird and wonderful ways and software needs to deal with that. [...deletia...] I just curious why you think that it's not useful to the ordinary user in a generic wide way. I'll throw the question back to you. What specific benefits do you see? Not just generalities, but real life benfits, please. Debugging. I know which app sounds comes from, in the event that it's ambiguous. I know whether or not I need to adjust the sound settings within an app based on the per-app volume menu. Mixing. Yes, I understand there's dmix. There's no obvious interface to control per-app mixing levels. Where an app doesn't offer individual volume control, that's sometimes useful. These are real-life benefits for users. Maybe not you. *Nobody* can tell you that PA is right for you, because you've rejected it and because you're satisfied with what you have. If what you have works for you, great. Honestly, a pure-ALSA configuration works for me right now. Some times, it hasn't, and I've used PA at those times. Sound daemons in general seem to be solutions in search of a problem. And if they couldn't find any problems to solve, they'd make up some new ones of their own. I remember the first I heard of pulseaudio was all the weeping and moaning of people on this forum and the GTALUG (Toronto area linux mailing list) trying to get sound working again after installing pulseaudio. Remember arts and esd? They went the way of HAL. Nuff said. The thing to remember is that humans cannot multitask audio very well. Try listening to 2 radio stations at once, and see what I mean. Or play a game with sound effects and music at the same time, and see that mixing exists for a reason. (And then turn off the in-game music and play something appropriate.) -- :wq
[gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
