On Thu, March 22, 2012 12:55 am, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:02:32PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
>
>> I said this before, but it sounds useful to try to reiterate:
>>
>> * It's probable that service-specific files should not be included in
>> the init system package.
>> * Service-
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Dale wrote:
> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>
Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
don't know if it's true or not.
>>>
>>> Oh really? I don'
On Wed, Mar 28 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> What you describe sounds ok, but I'd still hesitate to give a definite
> answer without a little more data.
>
> If you send over the output of
>
> df -h
> du -shx for each partition you have
> fdisk -l
> pvdisplay
> vgdisplay
> lvdisplay
>
> I'll be hap
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>>> Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
>>> don't know if it's true or not.
>>>
>>
>> Oh really? I don't use modules and I am the one having issues with not
>>
On Wed, Mar 28 2012, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster wrote:
>> Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
>>
>>> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>>> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
>>> >> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after upda
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Mar 29, 2012 1:42 AM, "Michael Mol" wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster
>> wrote:
>> > Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
>> >
>> >> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>> >> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schri
David W Noon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
>> David W Noon wrote:
> [snip]
>>> With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could well need /var
>>> -- and anythin
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
>> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
>
>
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>
>> > So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may
>> > as well use Fedora since it sort of started there. May
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> It's not a blackbox, unlike a kernel or any other binary, it is a simple
> cpio archive that you can unpack and inspect. If you want total control,
> build your own, it is not rocket science.
>
>
You sure about that? I have tried building one, then
building it inside
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Dale wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
>> don't know if it's true or not.
>>
>
> Oh really? I don't use modules and I am the one having issues with not
> being able to su to root from a user
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
> don't know if it's true or not.
>
Oh really? I don't use modules and I am the one having issues with not
being able to su to root from a user. I wonder if that is related
somehow. o_O
Dale
:-)
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Maxim Wexler wrote:
>>>
with ppp connections you are not using a dhcp client, pppd gets the
nameserver ip addressess as part of the connection negotiation (if
peerdns is set) and the aforemetioned script in
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/40-dns.sh writes thos
On Mar 29, 2012 1:42 AM, "Michael Mol" wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster
wrote:
> > Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
> >
> >> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> >> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
> >> >> My system wouldn't fully boot this morni
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:45:40 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > echo "Adding: System Rescue CD"
> > menuentry "System Rescue CD" {
> >set sysresiso=/systemrescuecd-x86-2.5.1.iso
> >loopback loop $sysresiso
> >linux (loop)/isolinux/rescue64 rootpass=whatever setkmap=uk
> > isoloop=$sysres
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:58:23 +0200, pk wrote:
> organisation and I happen to be on the side which thinks the FHS
> rationalisation for /bin, /sbin, /lib is a neat one. Others thinks the
> neatest solution is to put everything into one directory (whatever that
> may be) and that's fine too, if ther
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
> David W Noon wrote:
[snip]
> > With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could well need /var
> > -- and anything else -- before udev starts.
On Wednesday 28 March 2012 22:47:09 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Since someone has already asked about this off-list, the method is
> described on sysrescd.org and involves a GRUB menu entry like
>
> echo "Adding: System Rescue CD"
> menuentry "System Rescue CD" {
>set sysresiso=/systemrescuecd-x86
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
David W Noon wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100
> > David W Noon wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote a
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100
> David W Noon wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re:
> > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
> >
> > > A
On 2012-03-28 20:29, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> I was particularly interested to find out that Solaris started merging / and
> /usr 15 years ago, so in reality, the "true UNIX way" that Linux is
> following has long since been abandoned by UNIX :)
Yep, next up is transitioning to a more modern handl
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:07:33 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > What happens to files that are installed to /bin, /sbin or /lib by
> > default?
>
> Aren't they getting shoved into /usr? I thought that was the whole
> point of the excercise.
That /may/ happen at some time, but not now, so we need
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100
David W Noon wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
> InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
> > Alan McKinnon wrote:
> [snip]
> >> Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no
> >> longer a problem. Sor
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:51:23 +0100
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
> > > Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init
> > > script and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs
> > > file is a plain cpio archive, and post it
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:20:25 -0400
Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> > All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will
> > shuffle things around just like in that 15 pieces game.
>
> This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half full so s
>
> Then
> copy /usr over:
>mount -o bind / /mnt
>mount -o remount,ro /usr
>cp -a /usr/* /mnt/
> The bind moun t makes the root FS appear in a 2nd place, without /usr
> being populated by the content of your /usr partition.
> Don't forget to remove /usr from /etc/fstab.
>
I
>
> Because the other slot satisfies the requirements of world, which
> contains an unslotted version. But then --update always tries to
> installed the newest suitable version. In other words, his system is
> broken.
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
Then my system must be broken too. emerge -uND world
On 3/28/12, Todd Goodman wrote:
> I've been getting the following "Ping-ponging" of fltk for maybe a
> couple weeks now.
>
> What I mean is that I have x11-libs/fltk-2.0_pre6970-r1:2 installed and
> slotted.
>
> When I emerge -avD --changed-use world it wants to slot install
> x11-libs/fltk-1.3.0-
>>
>>> with ppp connections you are not using a dhcp client, pppd gets the
>>> nameserver ip addressess as part of the connection negotiation (if
>>> peerdns is set) and the aforemetioned script in
>>> /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/40-dns.sh writes those to /etc/resolv.conf
This is at the top of /etc/resolv.co
"Mike Edenfield" writes:
>
> Yes , of course it's /possible/, it's just not /practical/.
Perhaps, but still?
I don't se how that is less practical than collecting them to a ramdisk?
Just do exactly the same steps up to the "cpio | gzip" -part
I do agree with most of what you say
>
> Most Linux
Alan McKinnon writes:
>
> I offer you two choices:
>
> a. Move a few commands into an initramfs, truly only the ones you
> really do need, or
> b. Move 7G of files onto / (i.e. everything) and lose any benefit you
> (and everyone else with different ideas to you) may want by having a
> separate /u
I just wrote:
> Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
>
> > >> I subsequently found the bug below.
>
> Thanks for being so kind of doing so!
Whoops, I misread 'found' for 'filed'. But anyway, thanks for the
information :)
Wonko
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster wrote:
> Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
>
>> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
>> >> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
>> >>
>> >> Fortunately a mou
Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
> >> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
> >>
> >> Fortunately a mount -a followed by
> >>
> >>emerge -1 lvm2-previous versio
> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
> > So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may
> > as well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what
> > they wanted and planned.
>
> According to
Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
>> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
>>
>> Fortunately a mount -a followed by
>>emerge -1 lvm2-previous version
>>
>> has be back in business (with the new lvm
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, James wrote:
> Hello,
>
> So I've been googling about GPS systems and interfacing
> to a linux system. In portage it looks like all I
> will need to use the usb with the garmin nuvi 1490
> is gpsd and gpsdrive?
>
> It shows up via lsusb.
>
> Any discussion or other
Hello,
So I've been googling about GPS systems and interfacing
to a linux system. In portage it looks like all I
will need to use the usb with the garmin nuvi 1490
is gpsd and gpsdrive?
It shows up via lsusb.
Any discussion or other software recommendations is most
welcome.
James
> From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
> Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
don't
> know if it's true or not.
dracut wants you to have loadable module /support/ in your kernel so it can
scan for modules needed by the rootfs. The kernel-module support in d
From: Pandu Poluan [mailto:pa...@poluan.info]
> On Mar 28, 2012 11:27 AM, "Mike Edenfield" wrote:
>> Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered "ugly"
>> except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague, unarticulated
>> grounds.
> Check out the email from William K
> From: Canek Peláez Valdés [mailto:can...@gmail.com]
> I agree with most of what you say; however, I believe you are mistaken
> about the static nature of the binaries in the initramfs created by dracut. I
> use dracut with the whole bang (plymouth, systemd, udev, you name it), and
> I don't hav
Hi, Neil.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:56:36PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:01:32 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > Read my other mail and pay attention to the difference between
> > > transient and persistent.
> > In my proposed solution, the executables in /sbin would
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:00:43 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else "Ping-Ponging" with fltk?:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:17:06 +0100, David W Noon wrote:
[snip]
> > The question I think Todd Goodman is trying to ask is why a package
> > in world should be a candidate for dep
Allan Gottlieb writes:
> On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Move partitions after / on the disk out of the way creating enough
> > free space to contain current / and /usr.
>
> Question. /dev/sda7 is LVM and that is used for /usr, /local, et al.
> How do I move an LVM partition? I c
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:39:55 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> And more specifically, if the two versions of fltk are slotted it makes
> me even more surprised that portage wants to depclean the 1.3.0 version.
It can't depclean the other version, because that slot is specifically
depended on.
--
Ne
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:17:06 +0100, David W Noon wrote:
> > Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in
> > world.
>
> For us programmers it is often essential that we have one or more
> library packages in world, since we might be using that library (or
> those libraries) i
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:14:55 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> > > Or have I broken my system?
> >
> > Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in
> > world.
>
> Fine, but it hardly seems that it's broken just because there's a
> library in world?
Something is depending on a
* Michael Mol [120328 11:28]:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Todd Goodman wrote:
> > * Neil Bothwick [120328 11:06]:
> >> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> >>
> >> > x11-libs/fltk is in world.
> >>
> >> Why?
> >
> > Don't know. Probably forgot the -1 at some point o
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Todd Goodman wrote:
> * David W Noon [120328 11:22]:
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:58:00 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
>> [gentoo-user] Anyone Else "Ping-Ponging" with fltk?:
>>
>> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > > Or h
* David W Noon [120328 11:22]:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:58:00 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] Anyone Else "Ping-Ponging" with fltk?:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> [snip]
> > > Or have I broken my system?
> >
> > Probably. There is rarely a g
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Todd Goodman wrote:
> * Neil Bothwick [120328 11:06]:
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
>>
>> > x11-libs/fltk is in world.
>>
>> Why?
>
> Don't know. Probably forgot the -1 at some point or needed it for some
> software outside of Gentoo
On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will shuffle
> things around just like in that 15 pieces game.
This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half full so space is not
an issue.
> Assuming / is the first (or second) partition
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:58:00 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else "Ping-Ponging" with fltk?:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
[snip]
> > Or have I broken my system?
>
> Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in world.
For u
* Neil Bothwick [120328 11:06]:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
>
> > x11-libs/fltk is in world.
>
> Why?
Don't know. Probably forgot the -1 at some point or needed it for some
software outside of Gentoo.
>
> > Or have I broken my system?
>
> Probably. There is rar
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> x11-libs/fltk is in world.
Why?
> Or have I broken my system?
Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in world.
--
Neil Bothwick
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:01:32 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > Read my other mail and pay attention to the difference between
> > transient and persistent.
>
> In my proposed solution, the executables in /sbin would only exist until
> /usr had been mounted and the runtime PATH set up. After the
Hi!
I let Dracut mount /usr and I do not mount it again at boot. In order
to do so I have added the "noauto" option in /etc/fstab:
/dev/mapper/vg-usr /usrext4noauto,noatime
1 2
Use with caution.
Greetings,
--
Jorge Martínez López http://www.jorgeml.net
I've been getting the following "Ping-ponging" of fltk for maybe a
couple weeks now.
What I mean is that I have x11-libs/fltk-2.0_pre6970-r1:2 installed and
slotted.
When I emerge -avD --changed-use world it wants to slot install
x11-libs/fltk-1.3.0-r1
x11-libs/fltk is in world.
However after h
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:55:20AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
> > > Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > > That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was
> > > > to copy (not move
Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
>
> Fortunately a mount -a followed by
>emerge -1 lvm2-previous version
>
> has be back in business (with the new lvm2 masked).
>
> I subsequently found the bug below.
Than
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 08:54 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:17:36 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to get an initramfs from genkernel to log its messages
> > somewhere as well as the console? - I am getting a failure to mount /usr
> > and from the few secon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
> So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may as
> well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what they
> wanted and planned.
According to Greg K-H, who I tend to trust, this did not come from Red
Hat. It
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> > Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script
>> > and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a
>> > plain cpio archive, and post it here.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:17:36 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Is it possible to get an initramfs from genkernel to log its messages
> somewhere as well as the console? - I am getting a failure to mount /usr
> and from the few seconds the error message is on the the screen I cant
> see why as the
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script
> > and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a
> > plain cpio archive, and post it here.
>
> I did post it a week or so ago in another thread.
Th
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:32:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> We're going to be stuck with some issues anyway, no matter how we cope
> with things. At the moment, I've got my /usr on RAID1, which I think
> doubles up the speed things load at.
Use 0.90 metadata and you can put / on RAID1 too.
> (I
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:17:56 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> Check out the email from William Kenworth in this mailing list; he's
> having trouble with initramfs being a blackbox.
>
> As a (mostly) server guy, I much prefer using a whitebox.
It's not a blackbox, unlike a kernel or any other binary,
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