Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> tastytea wrote:
>> On 2022-01-15 23:13-0600 Dale  wrote:
>>
>>> tastytea wrote:
 On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:
  
> Grant Taylor wrote:  
>> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
>>> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
>>> with the number keys?
>> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
>> the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
>> #TIL
>>
>> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been
>> my primary desktop for almost all of that time too.  
> You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in
> 2003 and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test
> run and gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying
> to hunt the thing down.   
 I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
 compiling kernels. Maybe someone s


  
>>> I think you got cut off up there.  O_o
>> Oops! I meant to say: Maybe someone should add a help text to the
>> interface. 
>>
>>> This is one thing about this list.  I'm always finding some tidbit of
>>> info that makes something easier.  My problem, remembering it. 
>> Yeah, I'm pretty sure I learned this trick from this list (or was it
>> one of the IRC channels? 樂).
>>
>> Kind regards, tastytea
>>
> I've searched for info on this.  I even tried typing in make and then
> hitting tab twice.  It never gave me anything so I guess it doesn't work
> there.  So, I'm learning as I go. 
>
> I got nconfig to work.  The others didn't because of missing packages. 
> It's interesting how many different ways there is to config a kernel.  I
> went to a link that was posted, still reading it.  May learn something
> else, if I can remember it when I need it.  lol
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>


For anyone interested, type in 'make help' and look at the awesome info
in there.  It's like hitting a gold vein in a cave.  O_O  Why did I not
ever think of that before?  :/

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

tastytea wrote:
> On 2022-01-15 23:13-0600 Dale  wrote:
>
>> tastytea wrote:
>>> On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:
>>>  
 Grant Taylor wrote:  
> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
>> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
>> with the number keys?
> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
> the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
> #TIL
>
> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been
> my primary desktop for almost all of that time too.  
 You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in
 2003 and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test
 run and gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying
 to hunt the thing down.   
>>> I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
>>> compiling kernels. Maybe someone s
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>
>> I think you got cut off up there.  O_o
> Oops! I meant to say: Maybe someone should add a help text to the
> interface. 
>
>> This is one thing about this list.  I'm always finding some tidbit of
>> info that makes something easier.  My problem, remembering it. 
> Yeah, I'm pretty sure I learned this trick from this list (or was it
> one of the IRC channels? 樂).
>
> Kind regards, tastytea
>

I've searched for info on this.  I even tried typing in make and then
hitting tab twice.  It never gave me anything so I guess it doesn't work
there.  So, I'm learning as I go. 

I got nconfig to work.  The others didn't because of missing packages. 
It's interesting how many different ways there is to config a kernel.  I
went to a link that was posted, still reading it.  May learn something
else, if I can remember it when I need it.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[tastytea]

On 2022-01-15 23:13-0600 Dale  wrote:

> tastytea wrote:
> > On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:
> >  
> >> Grant Taylor wrote:  
> >>> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
>  Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
>  with the number keys?
> >>> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
> >>> the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
> >>> #TIL
> >>>
> >>> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been
> >>> my primary desktop for almost all of that time too.  
> >> You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in
> >> 2003 and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test
> >> run and gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying
> >> to hunt the thing down.   
> > I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
> > compiling kernels. Maybe someone s
> >
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> I think you got cut off up there.  O_o

Oops! I meant to say: Maybe someone should add a help text to the
interface. 

> This is one thing about this list.  I'm always finding some tidbit of
> info that makes something easier.  My problem, remembering it. 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I learned this trick from this list (or was it
one of the IRC channels? 樂).

Kind regards, tastytea

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

tastytea wrote:
> On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:
>
>> Grant Taylor wrote:
>>> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:  
 Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
 with the number keys?  
>>> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
>>> the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
>>> #TIL
>>>
>>> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been my
>>> primary desktop for almost all of that time too.
>> You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in 2003
>> and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test run and
>> gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying to hunt the
>> thing down. 
> I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
> compiling kernels. Maybe someone s
>
>
>


I think you got cut off up there.  O_o

This is one thing about this list.  I'm always finding some tidbit of
info that makes something easier.  My problem, remembering it.  I
generally follow a thread even when I have no clue what a person is
talking about because it is a package that I've never even heard of. 
Sometimes I learn something, sometimes I might even be able to post
about a different view point to solve a problem.  Still, I follow about
every post, just in case I might find something of value or can maybe
help in some small way. 

I'm about to work on dovecote again.  It's something I'm totally
clueless about.  I think I got the config setup because I can start the
service without it puking on my keyboard.  Thing is, I have no idea what
to do with it after that.  I had trouble setting up Seamonkey to get my
emails from gmail.  I had to google and look at pics and such. 
Eventually my hammer found the right nail.  Thing about this list, I'll
get help because there is likely a lot of people on here who use
Dovecote and know what to do. 

Yep, this is a awesome list, for getting help, learning new things or
giving help to someone else.  What's so neat, everyone does it with a
healthy dose of respect, even when dealing with some strange characters,
like me.  Then we have Neil with his funny and sometimes odd signature
lines.  I like the recent one about the cannibals and the clowns.  ROFL 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[tastytea]

On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:

> Grant Taylor wrote:
> > On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:  
> >> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
> >> with the number keys?  
> >
> > I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
> > the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
> > #TIL
> >
> > *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been my
> > primary desktop for almost all of that time too.
> 
> You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in 2003
> and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test run and
> gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying to hunt the
> thing down. 

I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
compiling kernels. Maybe someone s



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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[William Kenworthy]

On 16/1/22 00:06, Dale wrote:

tastytea wrote:

On 2022-01-15 22:38+0800 Andrew Lowe  wrote:


Dear all,
I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
kernel. This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make
menuconfig" builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why
stuff is not in alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying
to find some of the entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android".
You would expect it to be near the top of the device drivers, but no,
it's near the bottom.

No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a
whinge.

Andrew


Yeah, someone should clean that thing up… But I guess a lot of people
would complain because they are used to the current structure. 

Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
the number keys?



Number keys?  I got to go test this.  That would be one nifty trick.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Yep, its quite nifty!  Also, menuconfig is not the only way - there are 
a few config programs for the kernel ... if you have X on the machine 
there is xconfig which can be quite useful. Others Ive heard of a 
mconfig, gconfig and nconfig and there are probably more.


also see "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menuconfig;

BillK

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
>> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
>> the number keys?
>
> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about the
> number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.  #TIL
>
> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been my
> primary desktop for almost all of that time too.
>
>
>


You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in 2003 and
I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test run and gosh
darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying to hunt the thing
down. 

I also noticed that when you exit out, it goes back to the search
results instead of the previous menu.  That is good when you have to
enable several things to get the driver you want to show up.  What a
awesome piece of info. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Alarig Le Lay]

On Sat 15 Jan 2022 23:38:18 GMT, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> make oldconfig feeds you the new items, one at a time, complete with
> access to the help information.

Speaking of oldconfig, is there a way to only be asked when the default
is to enable the option? If the default is “No” I never want to add it,
so it would be better to skip all of theses.

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[Alarig Le Lay]

On Sat 15 Jan 2022 11:53:58 GMT, tastytea wrote:
> On 2022-01-15 10:33+ Peter Humphrey  wrote:
> 
> > Hello list,
> > 
> > Rich F said recently, "I'd avoid using the .local TLD due to RFC
> > 6762."
> > 
> > That brings me back to a thorny problem: what should I call my local
> > network? It used to be .prhnet, but then a program I tried a few
> > years ago insisted on a two-component name, so I changed it to
> > .prhnet.local.
> > 
> > Now I've read that RFC - well, Appendix G to it - and I'm scratching
> > my head. I suppose it's possible that someone may want to connect an
> > Apple device to my network, so perhaps I should clear the way for
> > that eventuality.
> > 
> > So, what TLD should I use? Should I use .home, or just go back to
> > .prhnet? It isn't going to be visible to the Big Bad World, so does
> > it even matter?
> > 
> 
> ICANN rejected .home as a TLD¹ because of name collision issues in
> private networks, so that should be fine.
> 
> Another solution would be to register an inexpensive domain name and use
> that. 
> 
> Kind regards, tastytea
> 
> ¹ 

home.arpa has to be used instead

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:27:26 -0500, ny6p01 wrote:

> I actually set aside an hour or two to go through the whole tree, paying
> particular attention to everything marked NEW. I actually enjoy seeing
> what new functionality has been added with each upgrade even if it is
> irrelevant to my hardware. It's still good to know. Like the new built
> in NTFS support in 5.15. I might have missed this if I hadn't come
> across it!

make oldconfig feeds you the new items, one at a time, complete with
access to the help information.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[ny6p01]

Lee 

On Jan 15, 2022 at 3:01 PM, Fabulous Zhang Zheng 
wrote:



Andrew Lowe 于2022年1月15日 周六下午10:39写道：

> Dear all,
> I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
> kernel.
> This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig"
> builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in
> alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the
> entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to
> be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.
>
> No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a whinge.
>
> Andrew
>
> Good morning,

for me the  "/" search in "make menuconfig" tells me the structure
location, and the same search in "make nconfig" simply finds and jumps to
the location in that page.

Also for convenience I usually "make localyesconfig" then check it through
using "make nconfig" to quickly search in some menu and remove/add some
option.

I actually set aside an hour or two to go through the whole tree, paying
particular attention to everything marked NEW. I actually enjoy seeing what
new functionality has been added with each upgrade even if it is irrelevant
to my hardware. It's still good to know. Like the new built in NTFS support
in 5.15. I might have missed this if I hadn't come across it!

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Fabulous Zhang Zheng]

Andrew Lowe 于2022年1月15日 周六下午10:39写道：

> Dear all,
> I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
> kernel.
> This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig"
> builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in
> alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the
> entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to
> be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.
>
> No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a whinge.
>
> Andrew
>
> Good morning,

for me the  "/" search in "make menuconfig" tells me the structure
location, and the same search in "make nconfig" simply finds and jumps to
the location in that page.

Also for convenience I usually "make localyesconfig" then check it through
using "make nconfig" to quickly search in some menu and remove/add some
option.

Re: [gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 2:54 PM Grant Taylor
 wrote:
>
> RFC 6762 does not preclude the use of the local top level domain
> in traditional unicast DNS.

Of course it doesn't.  You can also go ahead and use some of Amazon's
AWS IP space to number your home network too if you want.  Just don't
be surprised when random websites break when they try to load stuff
and the HTTP GET goes to your television instead of the webserver it
is hosted on.  If you want to name your mail server google.com that
works fine too, assuming you're not too attached to being able to use
the real Google.

Your DNS will work fine if you use .local.  It just means that you
can't also use mDNS, and if at some point you change your mind about
your decision you have to go and reconfigure everything to use a
different DNS name which of course sort-of defeats the purpose of
using DNS in the first place.

Use whatever domain name you want.  I'm just pointing out that this
particular one is used for other things that are mainly useful around
the house.  If want to live like it is 1982 feel free to stick to DNS
the way it was always meant to be...  ;)

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 2:35 PM Raphael Mejias Dias  wrote:
>>
>> You might want to look into whether it solves your problems
>> out-of-the-box without the need to run internal DNS.  The latter still
>> has certain advantages, but mDNS obviously benefits from simplicity.
>>
>>
> This solution, change hosts file, that Avahi suggests, is the easy solution 
> without DNS local server?
>
> I never realized about the host file

Are you talking about the nsswitch.conf file?  If so, then yes.  If
you run the avahi daemon and configure nsswitch.conf so that the
resolver includes it, then any host on the network that supports
zeroconf should be accessible via hostname.local.  Most stuff does
these days.  Obviously there is more you can do with full-blown
DNS/DHCP, but if all you care about is that your printer shows up at
printer.local or whatever, and so on, then you're fine.  Likewise your
gentoo box would be available to anything else on the network via its
hostname.local.

Oh, and if you want to prefer IPv4 then use mdns4_minimal and mdns4 in
the config.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Grant Taylor]

On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with 
the number keys?


I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about the 
number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.  #TIL


*Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been my 
primary desktop for almost all of that time too.




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Re: [gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[Grant Taylor]

On 1/15/22 3:33 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:

Hello list,


Hi.


Rich F said recently, "I'd avoid using the .local TLD due to RFC 6762."


Ya

I've read RFC 6762 in the past and I just skimmed part of it again.  I 
didn't find anything that prohibited the use of the local top level 
domain for things other than mDNS et al.


The only hard requirement that I did see is that if mDNS is used, that 
queries for .local /MUST/ be sent to mDNS.


N.B. that does not preclude /also/ sending queries for .local 
to other name resolution systems like traditional unicast DNS.


Ergo, RFC 6762 does not preclude the use of the local top level domain 
in traditional unicast DNS.



That brings me back to a thorny problem: what should I call my local network?


Maybe it's just me, I'm weird like that, but I vehemently believe that 
*I* am the authority for the names of *MY* network(s).  As such, 
whatever name /I/ choose is the name that /my/ network(s) will use.


I don't care that a cable internet provider wants my router to be called 
..


What's more is that I don't fathom, much less allow, the cable company's 
 -- let's go with -- questionable naming have any influence on what my 
internal network is called.


It used to be .prhnet, but then a program I tried a few years ago 
insisted on a two-component name, so I changed it to .prhnet.local.


There are /some/ complications that may have some influence on what 
names are chosen.


But I point out that your network quite likely did exactly what you 
wanted to do up until that point.


Q:  Did you continue to use the software that you tried?  Or did you end 
up renaming your network for something that you are no longer using?  }:-)


Now I've read that RFC - well, Appendix G to it - and I'm scratching 
my head.


I note the distinct absence of the quintessential SHOULD or MUST that 
RFCs are notorious for in RFC 6762 Appendix G.  So ... I don't give the 
recommendation there in much credence.


What's more is that RFC 6762 Appendix G fails to take into account 
gateways that bridge mDNS into Unicast DNS.  E.g. they receive an mDNS 
query and gateway it to the configured uDNS.  Thereby (mostly 
seamlessly) tying the mDNS and uDNS name space together.


I really feel like RFC 6762 is a "you might want to consider not using 
the .local top level domain on the off hand chance that you ever have 
something that can't / won't work with it."


I suppose it's possible that someone may want to connect an Apple 
device to my network, so perhaps I should clear the way for that 
eventuality.


Is that possibility significant enough to influence how /you/ run /your/ 
network?


/me puts his hand up to block glare looking out over the horizon looking 
for the SHOULD and MUST statements again, still not finding them.


I can tell you that I have first hand experience with using Apple 
devices on a network that used the local top level domain without problems.


So, what TLD should I use? Should I use .home, or just go back to 
.prhnet? It isn't going to be visible to the Big Bad World, so does 
it even matter?


Use whatever TLD you want to use.  Be aware of any potential gotchas and 
decide if they are worth avoiding or not.


The old fable of "The Miller, his son, and the donkey" comes to mind. 
--  Make yourself happy.




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Re: [gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[Raphael Mejias Dias]

>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 5:57 AM William Kenworthy 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 15/1/22 18:33, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > Hello list,
> > >
> > > Rich F said recently, "I'd avoid using the .local TLD due to RFC 6762."
> > >
> > > That brings me back to a thorny problem: what should I call my local
> network?
> > > It used to be .prhnet, but then a program I tried a few years ago
> insisted on
> > > a two-component name, so I changed it to .prhnet.local.
> > >
> > > Now I've read that RFC - well, Appendix G to it - and I'm scratching
> my head.
> > > I suppose it's possible that someone may want to connect an Apple
> device to my
> > > network, so perhaps I should clear the way for that eventuality.
> > >
> > > So, what TLD should I use? Should I use .home, or just go back to
> .prhnet? It
> > > isn't going to be visible to the Big Bad World, so does it even matter?
> > >
> > Ive been using "localdomain" for years without any obvious problems.
> > .local is not just apple but can be used by other things too (e.g.,
> > homeassistant uses it for device discovery, creating an extensive
> > ecosystem in the process.  No apple devices in sight :)
>
> Just about everything supports mDNS, including Gentoo:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Avahi
>
> (Most desktop-oriented distros enable it by default.)
>
> You might want to look into whether it solves your problems
> out-of-the-box without the need to run internal DNS.  The latter still
> has certain advantages, but mDNS obviously benefits from simplicity.
>
> --
> Rich
>
> This solution, change hosts file, that Avahi suggests, is the easy
solution without DNS local server?

I never realized about the host file
—
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Re: [gentoo-user] BIND Configuration for DNS

[Grant Taylor]

On 1/14/22 8:45 AM, Raphael Mejias Dias wrote:

Hello,


Hi,

I'm trying to configure BIND for a local DNS server, but I'm not sure 
that it's ok.


Based on your other comments, it seems as if there is more of a question 
about overall DNS configuration and operation than about the BIND DNS 
server (named) itself.


Basically, I'm wanting to create an internal address like 
intranet.local,


Okay.

this way, I can change the internal IP address, without the obligation 
to reconfigure the client machines to lookup the new IP, only changing 
the DNS lookup table.


It sounds like you might be referring to updating DNS vs updating the 
hosts file.


First, I had followed the Gentoo Wiki and after I tried BIND official 
documentation.


ACK

I've realized the network PC's did not find the DNS address, only the 
localhost can find it,


I'm assuming that means the server running BIND (named).


when I force the DNS, the client PC cannot access the internet anymore.


I'm assuming that means that BIND (named) is working and doing what you 
want with regard to the local / internal domain name.


With these assumptions, it seems to me like BIND (named) is working and 
that it is likely not configured to allow clients to perform recursive 
queries.


Assuming this is the case, you need to change the allow-recursion 
parameter to allow the LAN clients to perform recursive queries.


This is predicated on the system BIND (named) is running on being able 
to access the internet to query external resources on behalf of the LAN 
clients.



If someone knows a guide to help, I'll be glad to know.


Please reply if any of my assumptions are wrong or if you have other 
questions.



Thanks.


You're welcome.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

tastytea wrote:
> On 2022-01-15 22:38+0800 Andrew Lowe  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>  I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
>> kernel. This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make
>> menuconfig" builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why
>> stuff is not in alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying
>> to find some of the entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android".
>> You would expect it to be near the top of the device drivers, but no,
>> it's near the bottom.
>>
>>  No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a
>> whinge.
>>
>>  Andrew
>>
> Yeah, someone should clean that thing up… But I guess a lot of people
> would complain because they are used to the current structure. 
>
> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
> the number keys?
>


Number keys?  I got to go test this.  That would be one nifty trick. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Bhaskar Chowdhury]

On 22:38 Sat 15 Jan 2022, Andrew Lowe wrote:

Dear all,
I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my kernel.
This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig"
builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in
alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the
entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to
be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.

No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a whinge.

Andrew



Well, I am sure you have noticed and used it ,if and only if, it skips you,
then you can press / while on the menu config screen and it will allow you to 
pinpoint the stuff, you are
looking for. Basically ,search operation.

Bhaskar


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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Andrew Lowe]

On 15/1/22 10:47 pm, tastytea wrote:

On 2022-01-15 22:38+0800 Andrew Lowe  wrote:


Dear all,
I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
kernel. This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make
menuconfig" builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why
stuff is not in alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying
to find some of the entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android".
You would expect it to be near the top of the device drivers, but no,
it's near the bottom.

No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a
whinge.

Andrew



Yeah, someone should clean that thing up… But I guess a lot of people
would complain because they are used to the current structure. 

Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
the number keys?



"number keys" - No, something to now investigate.

Thanks,
Andrew

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[tastytea]

On 2022-01-15 22:38+0800 Andrew Lowe  wrote:

> Dear all,
>   I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
> kernel. This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make
> menuconfig" builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why
> stuff is not in alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying
> to find some of the entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android".
> You would expect it to be near the top of the device drivers, but no,
> it's near the bottom.
> 
>   No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a
> whinge.
> 
>   Andrew
> 

Yeah, someone should clean that thing up… But I guess a lot of people
would complain because they are used to the current structure. 

Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
the number keys?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Michael Orlitzky]

On Sat, 2022-01-15 at 22:38 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote:
> Dear all,
>   I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my kernel. 
> This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig" 
> builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in 
> alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the 
> entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to 
> be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.
> 
> 

You can use "/" to search from within the menu, and the results will
include a "Location" that shows the path through the menu tree.

[gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Andrew Lowe]

Dear all,
	I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my kernel. 
This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig" 
builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in 
alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the 
entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to 
be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.


No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a whinge.

Andrew

Re: [gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 5:57 AM William Kenworthy  wrote:
>
> On 15/1/22 18:33, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > Rich F said recently, "I'd avoid using the .local TLD due to RFC 6762."
> >
> > That brings me back to a thorny problem: what should I call my local 
> > network?
> > It used to be .prhnet, but then a program I tried a few years ago insisted 
> > on
> > a two-component name, so I changed it to .prhnet.local.
> >
> > Now I've read that RFC - well, Appendix G to it - and I'm scratching my 
> > head.
> > I suppose it's possible that someone may want to connect an Apple device to 
> > my
> > network, so perhaps I should clear the way for that eventuality.
> >
> > So, what TLD should I use? Should I use .home, or just go back to .prhnet? 
> > It
> > isn't going to be visible to the Big Bad World, so does it even matter?
> >
> Ive been using "localdomain" for years without any obvious problems.
> .local is not just apple but can be used by other things too (e.g.,
> homeassistant uses it for device discovery, creating an extensive
> ecosystem in the process.  No apple devices in sight :)

Just about everything supports mDNS, including Gentoo:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Avahi

(Most desktop-oriented distros enable it by default.)

You might want to look into whether it solves your problems
out-of-the-box without the need to run internal DNS.  The latter still
has certain advantages, but mDNS obviously benefits from simplicity.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[Matthias Hanft]

tastytea wrote:
> 
> Another solution would be to register an inexpensive domain name and use
> that. 

That's generally a good idea. After using .local for many years,
too, I have switched to my "official" domain and added "local"
for the internal IP addresses.

So my server down in the basement is something like "server.example.com"
where BIND delivers the IP address 93.some.thing.official, and a DNS
request for "server.local.example.com" delivers 10.some.thing.internal.

So there's no need any more to search for some TLD which won't interfere
with anything :-)

-Matt

Re: [gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[William Kenworthy]

On 15/1/22 18:33, Peter Humphrey wrote:

Hello list,

Rich F said recently, "I'd avoid using the .local TLD due to RFC 6762."

That brings me back to a thorny problem: what should I call my local network?
It used to be .prhnet, but then a program I tried a few years ago insisted on
a two-component name, so I changed it to .prhnet.local.

Now I've read that RFC - well, Appendix G to it - and I'm scratching my head.
I suppose it's possible that someone may want to connect an Apple device to my
network, so perhaps I should clear the way for that eventuality.

So, what TLD should I use? Should I use .home, or just go back to .prhnet? It
isn't going to be visible to the Big Bad World, so does it even matter?

Ive been using "localdomain" for years without any obvious problems.  
.local is not just apple but can be used by other things too (e.g., 
homeassistant uses it for device discovery, creating an extensive 
ecosystem in the process.  No apple devices in sight :)


BillK

Re: [gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[tastytea]

On 2022-01-15 10:33+ Peter Humphrey  wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> Rich F said recently, "I'd avoid using the .local TLD due to RFC
> 6762."
> 
> That brings me back to a thorny problem: what should I call my local
> network? It used to be .prhnet, but then a program I tried a few
> years ago insisted on a two-component name, so I changed it to
> .prhnet.local.
> 
> Now I've read that RFC - well, Appendix G to it - and I'm scratching
> my head. I suppose it's possible that someone may want to connect an
> Apple device to my network, so perhaps I should clear the way for
> that eventuality.
> 
> So, what TLD should I use? Should I use .home, or just go back to
> .prhnet? It isn't going to be visible to the Big Bad World, so does
> it even matter?
> 

ICANN rejected .home as a TLD¹ because of name collision issues in
private networks, so that should be fine.

Another solution would be to register an inexpensive domain name and use
that. 

Kind regards, tastytea

¹ 

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[gentoo-user] TLD for home LAN?

[Peter Humphrey]

Hello list,

Rich F said recently, "I'd avoid using the .local TLD due to RFC 6762."

That brings me back to a thorny problem: what should I call my local network? 
It used to be .prhnet, but then a program I tried a few years ago insisted on 
a two-component name, so I changed it to .prhnet.local.

Now I've read that RFC - well, Appendix G to it - and I'm scratching my head. 
I suppose it's possible that someone may want to connect an Apple device to my 
network, so perhaps I should clear the way for that eventuality.

So, what TLD should I use? Should I use .home, or just go back to .prhnet? It 
isn't going to be visible to the Big Bad World, so does it even matter?

-- 
Regards,
Peter.