Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages
On 1/20/23 9:09 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: I'm still getting bounce messages the same as all year. Different meaning of "all the time". - Not all sending domains use advanced security. - Not all receiving domains use advanced security. - Not all mailing lists account for advanced security. It's the overlap of those three things that suggest if a message will be bounced or accepted. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages
On Friday, 20 January 2023 14:44:24 GMT Grant Taylor wrote: > On 1/20/23 2:07 AM, Dale wrote: > > It's odd in my opinion. Maybe someone will figure it out. > > I think it's been figured out. This is where "this isn't done all the > time" comes into play. I'm still getting bounce messages the same as all year. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages
On 1/20/23 2:07 AM, Dale wrote: It could be the OP is running into the same problem I have in the past, whatever that problems is. My experience is that this is a combination of advanced email protection on the sender /and/ the receiver. E.g. the sending domain's email configuration specifies very specific locations combined with a receiving domain's email configuration honoring what the sending domain publishes. Thus when a message passes through a 3rd party, saying a mailing list, the recipient refuses to accept the message because it's not from where the sender says the message is authorized to come from. There's a lot of minutia to this and lots of ways that this can fail. Yes, there are some things that the Gentoo Users mailing list can change, but do to various reasons, this isn't done all the time. I might add, I don't recall seeing anything that leads me to believe I actually missed any messages. I tent to follow most threads and I don't recall ever seeing a quoted message that I don't have the original of. My experience is similar. It's odd in my opinion. Maybe someone will figure it out. I think it's been figured out. This is where "this isn't done all the time" comes into play. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages
Grant, On Thursday, 2023-01-19 22:59:48 -0700, you wrote: > ... > I tried it a few times. > > I'd see mail log entries where the re-sent messages would fail the same > way that the original sent message failed. :-/ Me too :-( But isn't this changeable? It's a list maintained by Gentoo.Org, after all. Gentoo is famous for its customizability, but the organization of its mailing lists is not adaptable to new requirements? Does this mail- ing software run under Windows? Either these mail identification numbers should be somehow visible and in particular searchable at https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ or the mail that some mail couldn't be delivered should contain more in- formation like author, date and subject. DOES REALLY NOBODY CARE? Sincerely, Rainer
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages
Grant Taylor wrote: > On 1/18/23 4:19 PM, Dale wrote: >> I might add, in the past I followed the instructions to get bounced >> messages, I've never once had it work. I don't get a error or >> anything either, like I do if I do something wrong doing something else. > > I tried it a few times. > > I'd see mail log entries where the re-sent messages would fail the > same way that the original sent message failed. :-/ > > > That could be. I disabled spam protection on the Google end and I never have problems with messages from other sites. As far as I can recall, the only time I've had bounced messages is from a Gentoo mailing list. Anyway, after trying to get missed messages a few times, I finally figured out it was a waste of time. I'd like to have them but if I can't get them, well, no point trying. It could be the OP is running into the same problem I have in the past, whatever that problems is. I might add, I don't recall seeing anything that leads me to believe I actually missed any messages. I tent to follow most threads and I don't recall ever seeing a quoted message that I don't have the original of. The only exception is one person who I have blacklisted. Those I never get. It's odd in my opinion. Maybe someone will figure it out. Dale :-) :-)
