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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:41:39 +0200 brullo nulla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, Intel onboard videocards were well supported open source... They do a really nice job on 2D in my experience. But if you are accelerating 3d opengl in hardware, like glxgears for example, expect artifacts to the point of obscurity. for onboard, I recommend the nvidia 6150 strongly. If you aren't playing games, and even if you are playing older games, the 6150 does a really nice job. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:23:23 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:05:24 +0200, b.n. wrote: The onboard Intels were a good lifesaver. I'm considering an Intel Core Duo... what's wrong with them that AMD does right? :) Nothing AFAICT. I have a Core2Duo E6600, having always used AMD in the past, and I'm very happy with it. In fact, I _think_ core 2 duos are considered superior, generally, but expensive. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:36:38 +0200 Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say if you stick with AMD, try the boxed cooler and test it. Since it's not a dedicated silent system, it might be good enough. If you switch to Intel, buy a good cooler from the beginning. Furthermore, be sure that your mainboard can control the fan speeds. I've found that the case fans are often the biggest problem, especially the one in the front. I have an AMD64 at home (older, it's true, and single core Opteron, but overclocked about 10%) under a stock heatsink/fan, and Fan Control on the system. After fan control kicks in, it's nearly silent. I simply unplugged the case fan; it did nothing but redistribute dust from what I can tell. The system sits at 50 deg. C. The only thing that really makes any noise is the power supply. I wish I would have had the sense to get a quieter p/s, one that had better onboard fan control maybe. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Dan Farrell ha scritto: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:41:39 +0200 brullo nulla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, Intel onboard videocards were well supported open source... They do a really nice job on 2D in my experience. But if you are accelerating 3d opengl in hardware, like glxgears for example, expect artifacts to the point of obscurity. for onboard, I recommend the nvidia 6150 strongly. If you aren't playing games, and even if you are playing older games, the 6150 does a really nice job. Good advice! m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 21:01 +0200, b.n. wrote: Florian Philipp ha scritto: Are they silent too? I really need silent things. Oh, you want silence? I hope you know that this is a real science? Yes :) But my current setup is silent enough for my needs (don't remember what cpu fan is it, nor I want to open it now), and I'd like to stay it that way. It is not completely silent but it gets almost unnoticed. you might find that your current setup is silent enough because it didn't need the cooling that a modern system will. 10 years ago, my chipsets didn't even have heatsinks! I had a cpu with a heatsink only and no fan! Anyway, what I wanted to say is this: First try the system as is. Then if you have heat problems (from hard-drives, motherboard, powersupply, etc) then add some case fans. A larger, slower case fan can move as much air as a smaller faster one, but slower generally means quieter, so go for a 10cm low speed fan instead of a 8cm high speed if you can. And remember that good design can be more important that fans. Try and get your airflow right - calculate the same amount of air being blown in as out. Block off extra holes in the case, and use round ide cables, or sata, or at least cable tie up your ribbon cables so they don't block the airflow. I'd say if you stick with AMD, try the boxed cooler and test it. Since it's not a dedicated silent system, it might be good enough. If you switch to Intel, buy a good cooler from the beginning. my intel cooler sounds like a jet starting! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au In the days of Old Terra there were experts in poisons, deviously clever persons who dealt in what were known as the powders of inheritance. -- Filmbook excerpt, Royal Library of Kaitain -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Am Mittwoch 22 August 2007 00:05:24 schrieb b.n.: Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: - supported Intel onboard video card with its own video RAM - good supported onboard audio with 5.1 surround you can not put an amd chip on an intel board a vice versa. *bangs on his head* - of course... This thing is becoming harder than I thought. Buy new mobo+cpu+ram, ok. mobo+cpu+ram+sound card, less than ok but doable. Mobo+cpu+ram+soundcard+videocard... The videocard looks like a bad problem. Newer ATIs are, AFAIK, not well supported by open source drivers. Yep, anything newer than your current card needs closed source drivers and they are a real pain from time to time (my card is not supported by the open source driver at all and fglrx doesn't work well either, so I'm stuck with vesa). nVidia 3d open source support is currently none. I don't like proprietary drivers, not that much because of ideological reasons but because I found they're extremly annoying to maintain (kernel or xorg updates easily break them). The onboard Intels were a good lifesaver. I'm considering an Intel Core Duo... what's wrong with them that AMD does right? :) And what about the cpu cooling fan? buy a 'boxed' cpu. The coolers are good enough. Are they silent too? I really need silent things. Oh, you want silence? I hope you know that this is a real science? I'd say if you stick with AMD, try the boxed cooler and test it. Since it's not a dedicated silent system, it might be good enough. If you switch to Intel, buy a good cooler from the beginning. Furthermore, be sure that your mainboard can control the fan speeds. I've found that the case fans are often the biggest problem, especially the one in the front. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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James Ausmus ha scritto: Just as a note - the Intel HD audio driver is a different driver than the intel_8x0 driver (Which is more a generic AC97 driver that supports Intel 8x0 chipsets, SiS, nVidia, AMD, and ALi AC97 compliant sound chips) - from the sounds of your experiences, I wouldn't want to use the intel_8x0 driver on an intel chipset, but I've had no problems with it on Via, nVidia, and SiS chipsets. I have a SiS chipset and I'm having (and I had) a lot of problems :( For my input into the fray, I can safely recommend the following component list - just built one for my son with these components, and it's running Gentoo with everything working... [snip] Wow! Thanks for the excellent feedback! I'll dig into them. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Mittwoch, 22. August 2007, b.n. wrote: Florian Philipp ha scritto: Are they silent too? I really need silent things. Oh, you want silence? I hope you know that this is a real science? Yes :) But my current setup is silent enough for my needs (don't remember what cpu fan is it, nor I want to open it now), and I'd like to stay it that way. It is not completely silent but it gets almost unnoticed. I'd say if you stick with AMD, try the boxed cooler and test it. Since it's not a dedicated silent system, it might be good enough. If you switch to Intel, buy a good cooler from the beginning. Furthermore, be sure that your mainboard can control the fan speeds. OK, thanks for the good tips. I'm learning a lot with you guys. m. btw, the amd boxed coolers don't need the mainboard controlling the speed - they turn up and down themselves. About case fans: I really don't need them.. and I have a AMD 4600 X2... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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I have an old but functional ATI Radeon 9200SE. Won't it work anymore? If there's something better, with decent 3D supported and onboard, let me know... emm.. since most boards don't have agp anymore. No, it won't. And even if it works.. I am not sure that the 9200SE would be really faster than todays onboard solutions... OK. I didn't know that agp has been dropped (I really am not into hardware, that's why I'm writing). So is everything PCI? What kind of videocard should I look for? IIRC, Intel onboard videocards were well supported open source... m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Am Dienstag 21 August 2007 13:41:39 schrieb brullo nulla: I have an old but functional ATI Radeon 9200SE. Won't it work anymore? If there's something better, with decent 3D supported and onboard, let me know... emm.. since most boards don't have agp anymore. No, it won't. And even if it works.. I am not sure that the 9200SE would be really faster than todays onboard solutions... OK. I didn't know that agp has been dropped (I really am not into hardware, that's why I'm writing). So is everything PCI? What kind of videocard should I look for? IIRC, Intel onboard videocards were well supported open source... m. Not PCI (although it is still an option if you don't need high speed), it's all PCI-Express (short PCI-E). Intel onboard is okay, if you need a dedicated card (playing games with Cedega, multiple displays, stuff like that), stick with NVidia. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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I might add to avoid using on board video or video cards like my own, an NVIDIA based LE 6200, that uses system RAM. Even if you aren't doing games. You are using only 1GB of RAM. Alan On 8/22/07, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Dienstag 21 August 2007 13:41:39 schrieb brullo nulla: I have an old but functional ATI Radeon 9200SE. Won't it work anymore? If there's something better, with decent 3D supported and onboard, let me know... emm.. since most boards don't have agp anymore. No, it won't. And even if it works.. I am not sure that the 9200SE would be really faster than todays onboard solutions... OK. I didn't know that agp has been dropped (I really am not into hardware, that's why I'm writing). So is everything PCI? What kind of videocard should I look for? IIRC, Intel onboard videocards were well supported open source... m. Not PCI (although it is still an option if you don't need high speed), it's all PCI-Express (short PCI-E). Intel onboard is okay, if you need a dedicated card (playing games with Cedega, multiple displays, stuff like that), stick with NVidia. -- Alan Davis, Kagman High School, Saipan [EMAIL PROTECTED] An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent. ---Lord Raleigh (aka John William Strutt), or else his son,
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On 8/21/07, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might add to avoid using on board video or video cards like my own, an NVIDIA based LE 6200, that uses system RAM. Even if you aren't doing games. You are using only 1GB of RAM. Ok, so the specs that are coming out for the motherboard are: - amd x2 (what model of that? the brisbane? something that heats not too much would be better...) - supported Intel onboard video card with its own video RAM - good supported onboard audio with 5.1 surround What are the best matching choices you are aware of? And what about the cpu cooling fan? Thanks, m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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brullo nulla wrote: On 8/21/07, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might add to avoid using on board video or video cards like my own, an NVIDIA based LE 6200, that uses system RAM. Even if you aren't doing games. You are using only 1GB of RAM. Ok, so the specs that are coming out for the motherboard are: - amd x2 (what model of that? the brisbane? something that heats not too much would be better...) - supported Intel onboard video card with its own video RAM An integrated Intel video card is only going to be available on an Intel Chipset. That is not going to work with an AMD CPU. If you are going to use an AMD and integrated video you should look at a nvidia chipset. --Joshua Doll -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Dienstag, 21. August 2007, brullo nulla wrote: On 8/21/07, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might add to avoid using on board video or video cards like my own, an NVIDIA based LE 6200, that uses system RAM. Even if you aren't doing games. You are using only 1GB of RAM. Ok, so the specs that are coming out for the motherboard are: - amd x2 (what model of that? the brisbane? something that heats not too much would be better...) go to the amd website. They have a 'cpu chooser'. So called 'EE' cpus (energy efficient) are a little bit more expensive but need a lot less energy. - supported Intel onboard video card with its own video RAM - good supported onboard audio with 5.1 surround you can not put an amd chip on an intel board a vice versa. What are the best matching choices you are aware of? none. And what about the cpu cooling fan? buy a 'boxed' cpu. The coolers are good enough. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Am Dienstag 21 August 2007 16:57:02 schrieb brullo nulla: On 8/21/07, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might add to avoid using on board video or video cards like my own, an NVIDIA based LE 6200, that uses system RAM. Even if you aren't doing games. You are using only 1GB of RAM. Ok, so the specs that are coming out for the motherboard are: - amd x2 (what model of that? the brisbane? something that heats not too much would be better...) - supported Intel onboard video card with its own video RAM - good supported onboard audio with 5.1 surround What are the best matching choices you are aware of? And what about the cpu cooling fan? Thanks, m. I could be wrong but I think there are no onboard graphics solutions with dedicated video RAM. I don't think you'll lose much RAM anyway, maybe 128M. There are AMD X2 with higher efficiency and therefore lower heat emission, they have the suffix EE, BE or LV. Talking about onboard audio, you should not have much to choose from, either AC97 or Intel HD. Both should be okay (as long as you are not at least semi-professional). I've heard about trouble with Intel HD because they are not all the same but most offer AC97 compatibility as a fall back. Concerning the fan, you could stick with the boxed cooler, it's better than the Intel. If you need a cheap silent thing, the Aerocool XFire is okay. I would stay away from the tower design (the ones blowing from the front to the back instead of blowing towards the chip). They are usually more efficient but they do not cooler the CPU's surrounding which can overheat. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: - supported Intel onboard video card with its own video RAM - good supported onboard audio with 5.1 surround you can not put an amd chip on an intel board a vice versa. *bangs on his head* - of course... This thing is becoming harder than I thought. Buy new mobo+cpu+ram, ok. mobo+cpu+ram+sound card, less than ok but doable. Mobo+cpu+ram+soundcard+videocard... The videocard looks like a bad problem. Newer ATIs are, AFAIK, not well supported by open source drivers. nVidia 3d open source support is currently none. I don't like proprietary drivers, not that much because of ideological reasons but because I found they're extremly annoying to maintain (kernel or xorg updates easily break them). The onboard Intels were a good lifesaver. I'm considering an Intel Core Duo... what's wrong with them that AMD does right? :) And what about the cpu cooling fan? buy a 'boxed' cpu. The coolers are good enough. Are they silent too? I really need silent things. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:05:24 +0200, b.n. wrote: The onboard Intels were a good lifesaver. I'm considering an Intel Core Duo... what's wrong with them that AMD does right? :) Nothing AFAICT. I have a Core2Duo E6600, having always used AMD in the past, and I'm very happy with it. -- Neil Bothwick Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Mittwoch, 22. August 2007, b.n. wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: - supported Intel onboard video card with its own video RAM - good supported onboard audio with 5.1 surround you can not put an amd chip on an intel board a vice versa. *bangs on his head* - of course... This thing is becoming harder than I thought. Buy new mobo+cpu+ram, ok. mobo+cpu+ram+sound card, less than ok but doable. Mobo+cpu+ram+soundcard+videocard... The videocard looks like a bad problem. Newer ATIs are, AFAIK, not well supported by open source drivers. nVidia 3d open source support is currently none. I don't like proprietary drivers, not that much because of ideological reasons but because I found they're extremly annoying to maintain (kernel or xorg updates easily break them). and with intel onboard 3d performance is non existant too And what about the cpu cooling fan? buy a 'boxed' cpu. The coolers are good enough. Are they silent too? I really need silent things. depends.. what is 'silent' my cooler is pretty 'silent' until I start compiling stuff and it reaches 6000 rpm... because my case starts to swing... but even a good, 'silent' cooler is cheap today. So are 6XXX nvidia video cards for pcie slots. Why not go to a friend how nows about hardware and let him built a pc for you? or ask your friendly hardware dealer? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: Why not go to a friend how nows about hardware and let him built a pc for you? or ask your friendly hardware dealer? Definitely what I will do at last. I hoped it was easier, so I thought to ask here, but it is not. I learned a lot anyway, so this hasn't been wasted time for me. Thanks a lot to you all. My ideas are anyway much more clear now. Thanks again guys. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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snip Talking about onboard audio, you should not have much to choose from, either AC97 or Intel HD. Both should be okay (as long as you are not at least semi-professional). I've heard about trouble with Intel HD because they are not all the same but most offer AC97 compatibility as a fall back. The intel8x0 driver is s**t (that's not fault of the ALSA guys, it's that there are no specs for that thing and it's all reverse engineered -check the other thread). Just as a note - the Intel HD audio driver is a different driver than the intel_8x0 driver (Which is more a generic AC97 driver that supports Intel 8x0 chipsets, SiS, nVidia, AMD, and ALi AC97 compliant sound chips) - from the sounds of your experiences, I wouldn't want to use the intel_8x0 driver on an intel chipset, but I've had no problems with it on Via, nVidia, and SiS chipsets. For my input into the fray, I can safely recommend the following component list - just built one for my son with these components, and it's running Gentoo with everything working... * MSI K9N6PGM-F Motherboard (Socket AM2, DDR2-800 Memory, PCI-E x16 slot, Onboard nVidia GeForce 6100) - note: Don't buy the MSI K9N6SGM motherboard, as the PCI-E x16 form factor slot only actually runs x8 channels - will seriously impact performance on a higher-end graphics card (if you decide to upgrade) Comes with video + sound onboard URL: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130067 Price: $62.99 * AMD Athlon 64 x2 4000+ (Brisbane, 65 nM) CPU Retail (w/ Heatsink/Fan) URL: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103774 Price: $65.99 * GeIL 1GB (2 x 512MB Dual Channel) DDR2 800 URL: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144020 Price: $48.99 Total price: $177.97 If the video performance is too slow for you due to sharing system memory, then you can add a separate PCI-E video card for fairly cheap - but you can do this after you buy the stock system. Ditto if the OEM fan is not quiet enough for you, you can buy a silent cooling model - but at a later date. A few things I didn't like about this setup (all with the motherboard): Only 2 Memory slots - if you want to upgrade past the 1GB, you have to replace memory instead of add on Only 2 SATA ports, and only 1 PATA (x2 devices) port - less HDDs and CD/DVD devices However, if you're willing to live with those limitations in order to cut costs (or if you just don't need the extra expansion capability, as is the case with my 2 1/2 year old), then it's a great setup - hardware rendering working fine with the nVidia binary drivers, sound is working fine with the Intel HD driver (and it's also AC97 compatible, so you have a fallback option), cpufreq scaling is working great to save power/heat when you don't need the processing power. Another option (if you need/want more memory slots and SATA ports) would be to go with: * MSI K9N Neo-F V.3 No onboard video, realtek ALC888 sound chipset (which, from what I'm reading online, *should* be supported by the intel-hda driver - some problems, but all problems I've seen seem to have gotten resolved) URL: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130123 Price: $72.99 I can't personally vouch for this MB - I haven't used it at all, but I've never had *bad* luck with MSI motherboards + nVidia chipsets... And for a video card either: 1: MSI NX7300LE-TD128EH GeForce 7300LE 128MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127273) -- or -- 2: CHAINTECH GSV72GS GeForce 7200GS 128MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814145147_ Price (for either): $34.99 Memory (on-board): 128MB Differences: Not a whole lot - Higher memory clock speeds on the 7200GS (800MHz vs. 650MHz), but the 7300LE is fanless... Again, can't vouch for either of these, but either should work fine. Anyways, hope some/any of the above helps. -James Aren't there nvidia chipsets? A box in my lab has one, I guess. Concerning the fan, you could stick with the boxed cooler, it's better than the Intel. If you need a cheap silent thing, the Aerocool XFire is okay. I would stay away from the tower design (the ones blowing from the front to the back instead of blowing towards the chip). They are usually more efficient but they do not cooler the CPU's surrounding which can overheat. Thanks for the tips! m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Hi, Due to the age of my current desktop and to the latest woes with the soundcard, I'm planning of actually putting my old and slow AMD Duron 1800 at rest. I'm not that much an hardware guy, and my requisites are pretty simple. So, that's what I want: - A dual/multi-core CPU with good virtualization capabilities (so to run everything I want under Xen, KVM, whatever...). No need for extreme performances. - I suppose I'll have to change the fan, I'd like something as silent as possible. - A matching, reasonably good mobo with a *perfectly ALSA supported* soundcard or a reasonably inexpensive (60$) perfectly ALSA supported soundcard. It would be wonderful if it all can stay below 200-250 Euros (or dollars). I wait the flood of suggestions! Yours, M. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Montag, 20. August 2007, b.n. wrote: Hi, Due to the age of my current desktop and to the latest woes with the soundcard, I'm planning of actually putting my old and slow AMD Duron 1800 at rest. I'm not that much an hardware guy, and my requisites are pretty simple. So, that's what I want: - A dual/multi-core CPU with good virtualization capabilities (so to run everything I want under Xen, KVM, whatever...). No need for extreme performances. amd x2 - I suppose I'll have to change the fan, I'd like something as silent as possible. - A matching, reasonably good mobo with a *perfectly ALSA supported* soundcard or a reasonably inexpensive (60$) perfectly ALSA supported soundcard. an audigy2. Cheap as dirt on ebay. It would be wonderful if it all can stay below 200-250 Euros (or dollars). I wait the flood of suggestions! 50$ mainboard, 100$cpu, 50$ 1gb ram, 20$ card. for additionally 50€ another gb ram. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: - A dual/multi-core CPU with good virtualization capabilities (so to run everything I want under Xen, KVM, whatever...). No need for extreme performances. amd x2 Looks good. What mobo? - A matching, reasonably good mobo with a *perfectly ALSA supported* soundcard or a reasonably inexpensive (60$) perfectly ALSA supported soundcard. an audigy2. Cheap as dirt on ebay. OK It would be wonderful if it all can stay below 200-250 Euros (or dollars). I wait the flood of suggestions! 50$ mainboard, 100$cpu, 50$ 1gb ram, 20$ card. for additionally 50€ another gb ram. Isn't my already mounted RAM usable? My current mobo is an ASROCK k7s8xe+ m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Montag, 20. August 2007, b.n. wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: - A dual/multi-core CPU with good virtualization capabilities (so to run everything I want under Xen, KVM, whatever...). No need for extreme performances. amd x2 Looks good. What mobo? it really does not matter. Uli, Via, AMD, Nvidia. They are all supported. http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productListing4C.html?cat1=16cat2=329cat3=0tgid=223treeName=HARDWARELevel1=MainboardsLevel2=AMDLevel3=Sockel+AM2; from a quick check all boards on that site are supported. 50$ mainboard, 100$cpu, 50$ 1gb ram, 20$ card. for additionally 50€ another gb ram. Isn't my already mounted RAM usable? My current mobo is an ASROCK k7s8xe+ m. not really. the new am2 boards need ddr2 ram - which is already cheaper than ddr ram. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Montag, 20. August 2007, James wrote: On Montag, 20. August 2007, b.n. wrote: Hi, Due to the age of my current desktop and to the latest woes with the soundcard, I'm planning of actually putting my old and slow AMD Duron 1800 at rest. I'm not that much an hardware guy, and my requisites are pretty simple. So, that's what I want: - A dual/multi-core CPU with good virtualization capabilities (so to run everything I want under Xen, KVM, whatever...). No need for extreme performances. amd x2 - I suppose I'll have to change the fan, I'd like something as silent as possible. - A matching, reasonably good mobo with a *perfectly ALSA supported* soundcard or a reasonably inexpensive (60$) perfectly ALSA supported soundcard. an audigy2. Cheap as dirt on ebay. It would be wonderful if it all can stay below 200-250 Euros (or dollars). I wait the flood of suggestions! 50$ mainboard, 100$cpu, 50$ 1gb ram, 20$ card. for additionally 50¤ another gb ram. videocard too. onboard ;) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: videocard too. onboard ;) I have an old but functional ATI Radeon 9200SE. Won't it work anymore? If there's something better, with decent 3D supported and onboard, let me know... m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: On Montag, 20. August 2007, b.n. wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: - A dual/multi-core CPU with good virtualization capabilities (so to run everything I want under Xen, KVM, whatever...). No need for extreme performances. amd x2 Looks good. What mobo? it really does not matter. Uli, Via, AMD, Nvidia. They are all supported. http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productListing4C.html?cat1=16cat2=329cat3=0tgid=223treeName=HARDWARELevel1=MainboardsLevel2=AMDLevel3=Sockel+AM2; from a quick check all boards on that site are supported. Yes, I guessed so. But I know that sometimes there are little quirks here and there (I confusely remember something about nvidia boards...) Moreover, are there quality issues? 50$ mainboard, 100$cpu, 50$ 1gb ram, 20$ card. for additionally 50€ another gb ram. Isn't my already mounted RAM usable? My current mobo is an ASROCK k7s8xe+ m. not really. the new am2 boards need ddr2 ram - which is already cheaper than ddr ram. Oh, ok. I *really* am not an hardware guy :( m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: On Montag, 20. August 2007, b.n. wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: - A dual/multi-core CPU with good virtualization capabilities (so to run everything I want under Xen, KVM, whatever...). No need for extreme performances. amd x2 Looks good. What mobo? it really does not matter. Uli, Via, AMD, Nvidia. They are all supported. http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productListing4C.html?cat1=16cat2=329cat3=0tgid=223treeName=HARDWARELevel1=MainboardsLevel2=AMDLevel3=Sockel+AM2; from a quick check all boards on that site are supported. Yes, I guessed so. But I know that sometimes there are little quirks here and there (I confusely remember something about nvidia boards...) Moreover, are there quality issues? 50$ mainboard, 100$cpu, 50$ 1gb ram, 20$ card. for additionally 50¤ another gb ram. Isn't my already mounted RAM usable? My current mobo is an ASROCK k7s8xe+ m. not really. the new am2 boards need ddr2 ram - which is already cheaper than ddr ram. Oh, ok. I *really* am not an hardware guy :( m. Usually current RAM is faster when it is time to buy a new mb. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
