On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:38:34AM +0200, David Haller wrote:
I bought my current internal laptop disk for Christmas 2008. It's a Samsung
HM500JI (with 500 GB). Early on I noticed that, according to smartctl, its
Load_Cycle_Count is increasing every 2 or 3 seconds. I even asked Samsung
You guys might find this study from google interesting:
http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/research.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:38:34AM +0200,
Hello,
On Sat, 12 May 2012, Mick wrote:
Is this 193 Load_Cycle_Count an issue only on the green drives?
AFAIK it was a firmware bug on some models.
I have a very old Compaq laptop here that shows:
# smartctl -A /dev/sda | egrep Power_On|Load_Cycle
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 055 055
Hello,
On Sat, 12 May 2012, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:20:57PM -0400, Norman Invasion wrote:
On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are
On Thursday 10 May 2012 19:51:14 Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Norman Invasion
invasivenor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 May 2012 14:01, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
invasivenor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9
Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2012, 10:34:12 schrieb Mick:
On Thursday 10 May 2012 19:51:14 Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Norman Invasion
invasivenor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 May 2012 14:01, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:20:57PM -0400, Norman Invasion wrote:
On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 06:58:47PM -0500, Dale wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
SNIP
My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
Like cars[1], they're all good and do what it says
nap...@squareownz.org wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 06:58:47PM -0500, Dale wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
SNIP
My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
Like cars[1], they're all
* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [120509 19:54]:
[..]
Way back in the stone age, there was a guy that released a curve for
electronics life. The failure rate is high at the beginning, especially
for the first few minutes, then falls to about nothing, then after
several years it goes back up again.
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:38:34AM -0500, Dale wrote:
The default is to keep them all running and to not spin them down. I
have never had a Linux OS to spin down a drive unless I set/told it to.
You can do this tho. The command and option is:
hdparm -S /dev/sdX
X would be the drive
On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
When comparing them
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
invasivenor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green
On 10 May 2012 14:01, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
invasivenor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on,
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Norman Invasion
invasivenor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 May 2012 14:01, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
invasivenor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some
Hello,
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
invasivenor...@gmail.com wrote:
They have an ugly tendency to nod off at 6 second intervals.
This runs up 193 Load_Cycle_Count unacceptably: as many
as a few hundred thousand in a year a million
Hello,
On Wed, 09 May 2012, Dale wrote:
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
When comparing them to a non green drive, do
Hello,
On Wed, 09 May 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
One thing we have noticed is that Samsung's recent model are not very
green, they spin up slowly, use lots of power and make a racket when
spinning. But they do work.
Which ones? I've got one of all Models of the last years, and to none
applies
Hello,
On Wed, 09 May 2012, Dale wrote:
While on the thread. Has anyone had any sort of luck with the
recertified drives?
Avoid them.
-dnh
--
Well I wish you'd just tell me rather than try to engage my enthusiasm.
-- Marvin
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually.
Hi Dale,
One thing I wanted to point out about the task you have in front of
you. There is a problem in your work statement here
On Thu, 10 May 2012 21:38:20 +0200
David Haller gen...@dhaller.de wrote:
Hello,
On Wed, 09 May 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
One thing we have noticed is that Samsung's recent model are not very
green, they spin up slowly, use lots of power and make a racket
when spinning. But they do work.
On Thu, 10 May 2012 21:36:46 +0200, David Haller wrote:
Basically: they run a 5400 min^-1, the normal ones at 7200 min^-1
and the green use less power.
Some green drives run at 5900rpm.
--
Neil Bothwick
WinErr 01E: Timing error - Please wait. And wait. And wait. And wait.
signature.asc
nap...@squareownz.org wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:38:34AM -0500, Dale wrote:
The default is to keep them all running and to not spin them down. I
have never had a Linux OS to spin down a drive unless I set/told it to.
You can do this tho. The command and option is:
hdparm -S
On Thursday 10 May 2012 00:58:47 Dale wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
SNIP
My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
Like cars[1], they're all good and do what it says on the
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:55 AM, nap...@squareownz.org wrote:
hum hum!
I know that Windows does this by default (it annoys me so I disable it)
but does linux disable or stop running the disks if they're inactive?
I'm assuming there's an option somewhere - maybe just `unmount`!
Some drives
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:53:27 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
On my HDDs, I cannot disable APM but I can disable spindown by
changing the power-saving level to 254. I have a script in
/etc/local.d/ which calls:
You don't need a script, add the options you need to /etc/conf.d/hdparm
and add hdparm
Hello,
On Fri, 11 May 2012, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:53:27 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
On my HDDs, I cannot disable APM but I can disable spindown by
changing the power-saving level to 254. I have a script in
/etc/local.d/ which calls:
You don't need a script, add the
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 12:20 -0400, Norman Invasion wrote:
On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that are
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
When comparing them to a non green drive, do they hold up as good?
Are they as
On Wed, 09 May 2012 03:47:09 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that are made by just about every company
nowadays. When
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2012 03:47:09 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that are made by just about every
I'm using big WD Caviar Green (WDxxEAxx) SATA HDDs for some years now in
my home 24/7 server, and haven't had any issues - they run cool and
low-noise, and the performance is good. Low power and heat was what was
important for me when choosing. HDD performance isn't an issue anyway,
when storing
On 2012-05-09 4:47 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
When comparing them to a
Daniel Troeder wrote:
I'm using big WD Caviar Green (WDxxEAxx) SATA HDDs for some years now in
my home 24/7 server, and haven't had any issues - they run cool and
low-noise, and the performance is good. Low power and heat was what was
important for me when choosing. HDD performance isn't an
On 05/09/2012 07:47 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
As long as you don't use them in any kind of RAID setup you they should
be fine.
The biggest difference between them and 'enterprise' class drives is the
enterprise class drives are designed for multi-drive RAID setups... you
don't want drives to
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2012-05-09 4:47 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives
Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2012, 03:47:09 schrieb Dale:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
When comparing them to a
On 2012-05-09 8:06 AM, m...@trausch.us m...@trausch.us wrote:
AFAIK, the only technical difference between a consumer drive and an
enterprise one is that the enterprise one doesn't tell lies. Or at
least, it isn't supposed to.
There's a bit more to it than that...
On May 9, 2012 7:36 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
As for RAID, +100 to not use them. The WD Green drives do not support
time-limited error recovery (TLER) and spin down based on their view
of trying to save power. For me anyway they simply didn't work well in
any RAID
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On May 9, 2012 7:36 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
As for RAID, +100 to not use them. The WD Green drives do not support
time-limited error recovery (TLER) and spin down based on their view
of trying to save
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
The best answer at the time was some piece of low level software from
WD called something like wdtwiddle or something
WDTLER :)
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
The best answer at the time was some piece of low level software from
WD called something like wdtwiddle or something
WDTLER :)
Hey, I
On Wed, 09 May 2012 04:52:57 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
I was thinking the same thing about the speed and them lasting longer
because of the slower speed. I mean, it's less wear and less heat.
I'd just hate to buy one and it be a piece of junk or something else I
wasn't expecting
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2012 04:52:57 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
I was thinking the same thing about the speed and them lasting longer
because of the slower speed. I mean, it's less wear and less heat.
I'd just hate to buy one and it be a piece of junk or something
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2012, 03:47:09 schrieb Dale:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these green drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't matter what brand you go with
Especially true since there are only 2 companies actually making
consumer hard drives anymore: WD and Seagate. Both of them seem to
know what they are doing, for the most part...
Some hard
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
SNIP
My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
Like cars[1], they're all good and do what it says on the box. Same
with bikes[2].
A manufacturer may have some bad luck and a
Paul Hartman wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't matter what brand you go with
Especially true since there are only 2 companies actually making
consumer hard drives anymore: WD and Seagate. Both of them seem to
know what they are doing, for
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
SNIP
My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
Like cars[1], they're all good and do what it says on the box. Same
with bikes[2].
A manufacturer may have
On May 10, 2012 6:54 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul Hartman wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't matter what brand you go with
Especially true since there are only 2 companies actually making
consumer hard drives anymore: WD and
Way back in the stone age, there was a guy that released a curve for
electronics life. The failure rate is high at the beginning, especially
for the first few minutes, then falls to about nothing, then after
several years it goes back up again.
That concept is much more general than just
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