Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
2013/9/6 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 06/09/2013 20:55, gevisz wrote: 2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com mailto:gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the rWin key also started to switch the keyboard layout. So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it. :^) Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^) However, my original question about Deficient Gnome Window Frames is still valid. But not so important any more. :^) Window decorations are usually done by the window manager, I assume Gnome2 is no different? Have you tried running a different window manager that supports what you want?
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
2013/9/7 Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de Am 06.09.2013 21:47, schrieb Paul Hartman: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:28 PM, gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: But I have not found MATE in portage... I see there is a mate overlay available in layman layman -a mate Thank you for the hint. I still have to learn how to use overlays... ... because I still need an omegaT (that is absent from portage) and Skype (that is masked). Is it safe to use packages from overlays? Is there any ways to cleanly uninstall packages installed from overlays? GNOME 2.X is been dead since a few years. They went to develop that ugly beast they call GNOME 3. MATE is the proven and working fork of GNOME 2.X. If you want GNOME 2.X, then you should take a look at it indeed.
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On Sunday 08 Sep 2013 11:09:23 gevisz wrote: I still have to learn how to use overlays... ... because I still need an omegaT (that is absent from portage) and Skype (that is masked). Since Skype is in portage you can unmask it in /etc/portage/package.keywords/skype.keywords, with something like: net-im/skype ~amd64 Is it safe to use packages from overlays? Safe in what sense? Is there any ways to cleanly uninstall packages installed from overlays? emerge -Ca package_atom -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On 08/09/2013 12:09, gevisz wrote: 2013/9/7 Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de mailto:m...@marc-stuermer.de Am 06.09.2013 21:47, schrieb Paul Hartman: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:28 PM, gevisz gev...@gmail.com mailto:gev...@gmail.com wrote: But I have not found MATE in portage... I see there is a mate overlay available in layman layman -a mate Thank you for the hint. I still have to learn how to use overlays... emerge layman [follow elog instructions on what to do with make.conf layman -L [pick the overlay you want layman -a overlay_you_want ... because I still need an omegaT (that is absent from portage) and Skype (that is masked). Put ebuilds for them in your local overlay. It's not the same thing as layman - local overlay is just a directory with ebuilds you maintain yourself, tell portage where it is and it treats those ebuilds like they are in the main tree. it's fully documented in the portage docs Is it safe to use packages from overlays? Depends. Is it safe to install software? An overlay is just ebuilds that fetches and builds software. may it's useful, maybe it's malware, maybe it's buggy, maybe it's not. If you real question is Is there some official QA applied to overlays? the answer is no. You either need to trust the overlay maintainer, or do the QA yourself. Is there any ways to cleanly uninstall packages installed from overlays? Same as any other package: emerge -C To remove an installed overlay: layman -d overlay_name That just removes a tree of ebuilds. Portage tells you what is now out of sync with the next emerge -uND world -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On 08/09/2013 12:02, gevisz wrote: 2013/9/6 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 06/09/2013 20:55, gevisz wrote: 2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com mailto:gev...@gmail.com mailto:gev...@gmail.com mailto:gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
Am 06.09.2013 21:47, schrieb Paul Hartman: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:28 PM, gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: But I have not found MATE in portage... I see there is a mate overlay available in layman layman -a mate GNOME 2.X is been dead since a few years. They went to develop that ugly beast they call GNOME 3. MATE is the proven and working fork of GNOME 2.X. If you want GNOME 2.X, then you should take a look at it indeed.
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any.
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the rWin key also started to switch the keyboard layout. So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it. :^) Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^) However, my original question about Deficient Gnome Window Frames is still valid. But not so important any more. :^)
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the rWin key also started to switch the keyboard layout. So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it. :^) Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^) If you want GNOME 2, you should try MATE. GNOME 2 is unsupported; It's been years since somebody actually worked on it. Bugs, bitrot and security vulnerabilities are probably (if not surely) present in the code base. MATE supposedly tries to keep GNOME 2 alive (although its homepage is down). Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
2013/9/6 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the rWin key also started to switch the keyboard layout. So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it. :^) Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^) If you want GNOME 2, you should try MATE. GNOME 2 is unsupported; It's been years since somebody actually worked on it. Bugs, bitrot and security vulnerabilities are probably (if not surely) present in the code base. MATE supposedly tries to keep GNOME 2 alive (although its homepage is down). -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México But I have not found MATE in portage... Anyway, it is not so important now, as I have already almost satisfied with my present Xfce setup. Thank you for the reply and have a nice weekend.
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On 06/09/2013 20:55, gevisz wrote: 2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com mailto:gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the rWin key also started to switch the keyboard layout. So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it. :^) Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^) However, my original question about Deficient Gnome Window Frames is still valid. But not so important any more. :^) Window decorations are usually done by the window manager, I assume Gnome2 is no different? Have you tried running a different window manager that supports what you want? What is the Gnome2 wm anyway? Metacity? (it's been so long since I looked, I've forgotten) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:28 PM, gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: But I have not found MATE in portage... I see there is a mate overlay available in layman
[gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. Thank you.
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
