Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Wol]

On 16/01/2022 18:41, Dale wrote:

Wols Lists wrote:

On 16/01/2022 06:06, Dale wrote:

I got nconfig to work.  The others didn't because of missing packages.
It's interesting how many different ways there is to config a kernel.  I
went to a link that was posted, still reading it.  May learn something
else, if I can remember it when I need it.  lol


Apart from the fact I think I lost /var in my recent rebuild, I set up
dokuwiki on my system and used it to make notes of all sorts of
interesting stuff.

If you can't remember things, find some package (like dokuwiki) that
will let you make notes ...

Cheers,
Wol





Got it installed, got apache to work as well.  Thing is, it does .php
pages and my web browsers don't open .php files.  It just wants to
download them.  I'm not sure how to fix that, yet.  I'm making progress
tho.

Quick google - have you installed and configured php - it's supposed to 
run inside Apache so if your browser is seeing it, the problem is with 
Apache ...


(As I said, I've emerged but not set up dokuwiki, and I must have set it 
up in my previous system ten years ago ... so I've completely forgotten ...)


Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

Wols Lists wrote:
> On 16/01/2022 06:06, Dale wrote:
>> I got nconfig to work.  The others didn't because of missing packages.
>> It's interesting how many different ways there is to config a kernel.  I
>> went to a link that was posted, still reading it.  May learn something
>> else, if I can remember it when I need it.  lol
>
> Apart from the fact I think I lost /var in my recent rebuild, I set up
> dokuwiki on my system and used it to make notes of all sorts of
> interesting stuff.
>
> If you can't remember things, find some package (like dokuwiki) that
> will let you make notes ...
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>
>


Got it installed, got apache to work as well.  Thing is, it does .php
pages and my web browsers don't open .php files.  It just wants to
download them.  I'm not sure how to fix that, yet.  I'm making progress
tho. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Wols Lists]

On 16/01/2022 09:43, Dale wrote:

Wols Lists wrote:

On 16/01/2022 06:06, Dale wrote:

I got nconfig to work.  The others didn't because of missing packages.
It's interesting how many different ways there is to config a kernel.  I
went to a link that was posted, still reading it.  May learn something
else, if I can remember it when I need it.  lol


Apart from the fact I think I lost /var in my recent rebuild, I set up
dokuwiki on my system and used it to make notes of all sorts of
interesting stuff.

If you can't remember things, find some package (like dokuwiki) that
will let you make notes ...

Cheers,
Wol




I'll look into that.  I have a file in /root named freq-commands.  I
keep it for frequent commands I use and explain what they are for.  I
just cat and grep the file to find what I'm looking for.  Sometimes I
have to cat the whole thing but most of the time I remember enough to
grep for it.

I used to work for a magazine company and I tracked over 10,000 magazine
issues.  I could look at the cover and know if it was out of date or
not.  I always had the lowest late return rate in the company.  Now, I
forget what I went to the kitchen for.  Sadly, I do that a lot.  :-(

Got emerge working on that now.  See what it looks like.  Could be a
nifty tool.  ;-)

There's another tool (might be webapp-config) which manages Apache 
add-ins, including dokuwiki.


I set it up manually last time, but I need to see whether this will set 
it up for me this time round.


But at the moment, my computing focus is on (at work) learning to be a 
power-user/developer in Excel, and at home I'm working on a database 
called ScarletDME - that's DME as in Data Management Environment I think.


It's (finally) an Open Source Pick database. Think back to "the database 
is the computer" so it's much more than a relational database, and its 
data-model is a superset of relational.


Only snag is, relational (like Pascal) tries to force you to "do the 
right thing", and as I'm finding out that's easier said than done. Pick 
(like C) just gives you all the rope you need to hang yourself with ! ;-)


If anybody likes the sound of it, feel free to download and play! 
There's a ScarletDME google group, you'll be very welcome. Just be 
warned, despite being based on a very successful commercial product 
(OpenQM), the basic thing is very much text based, and I get the 
impression that ScarletDME is a bit raw round the edges at the moment. 
Your typical user lives in the command line and has never heard of 
database connectivity, despite it being both feasible, and easy.


Hope to see people there!

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

Wols Lists wrote:
> On 16/01/2022 06:06, Dale wrote:
>> I got nconfig to work.  The others didn't because of missing packages.
>> It's interesting how many different ways there is to config a kernel.  I
>> went to a link that was posted, still reading it.  May learn something
>> else, if I can remember it when I need it.  lol
>
> Apart from the fact I think I lost /var in my recent rebuild, I set up
> dokuwiki on my system and used it to make notes of all sorts of
> interesting stuff.
>
> If you can't remember things, find some package (like dokuwiki) that
> will let you make notes ...
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>
>

I'll look into that.  I have a file in /root named freq-commands.  I
keep it for frequent commands I use and explain what they are for.  I
just cat and grep the file to find what I'm looking for.  Sometimes I
have to cat the whole thing but most of the time I remember enough to
grep for it. 

I used to work for a magazine company and I tracked over 10,000 magazine
issues.  I could look at the cover and know if it was out of date or
not.  I always had the lowest late return rate in the company.  Now, I
forget what I went to the kitchen for.  Sadly, I do that a lot.  :-( 

Got emerge working on that now.  See what it looks like.  Could be a
nifty tool.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Wols Lists]

On 16/01/2022 06:06, Dale wrote:

I got nconfig to work.  The others didn't because of missing packages.
It's interesting how many different ways there is to config a kernel.  I
went to a link that was posted, still reading it.  May learn something
else, if I can remember it when I need it.  lol


Apart from the fact I think I lost /var in my recent rebuild, I set up 
dokuwiki on my system and used it to make notes of all sorts of 
interesting stuff.


If you can't remember things, find some package (like dokuwiki) that 
will let you make notes ...


Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> tastytea wrote:
>> On 2022-01-15 23:13-0600 Dale  wrote:
>>
>>> tastytea wrote:
 On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:
  
> Grant Taylor wrote:  
>> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
>>> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
>>> with the number keys?
>> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
>> the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
>> #TIL
>>
>> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been
>> my primary desktop for almost all of that time too.  
> You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in
> 2003 and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test
> run and gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying
> to hunt the thing down.   
 I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
 compiling kernels. Maybe someone s


  
>>> I think you got cut off up there.  O_o
>> Oops! I meant to say: Maybe someone should add a help text to the
>> interface. 
>>
>>> This is one thing about this list.  I'm always finding some tidbit of
>>> info that makes something easier.  My problem, remembering it. 
>> Yeah, I'm pretty sure I learned this trick from this list (or was it
>> one of the IRC channels? 樂).
>>
>> Kind regards, tastytea
>>
> I've searched for info on this.  I even tried typing in make and then
> hitting tab twice.  It never gave me anything so I guess it doesn't work
> there.  So, I'm learning as I go. 
>
> I got nconfig to work.  The others didn't because of missing packages. 
> It's interesting how many different ways there is to config a kernel.  I
> went to a link that was posted, still reading it.  May learn something
> else, if I can remember it when I need it.  lol
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>


For anyone interested, type in 'make help' and look at the awesome info
in there.  It's like hitting a gold vein in a cave.  O_O  Why did I not
ever think of that before?  :/

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

tastytea wrote:
> On 2022-01-15 23:13-0600 Dale  wrote:
>
>> tastytea wrote:
>>> On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:
>>>  
 Grant Taylor wrote:  
> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
>> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
>> with the number keys?
> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
> the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
> #TIL
>
> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been
> my primary desktop for almost all of that time too.  
 You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in
 2003 and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test
 run and gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying
 to hunt the thing down.   
>>> I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
>>> compiling kernels. Maybe someone s
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>
>> I think you got cut off up there.  O_o
> Oops! I meant to say: Maybe someone should add a help text to the
> interface. 
>
>> This is one thing about this list.  I'm always finding some tidbit of
>> info that makes something easier.  My problem, remembering it. 
> Yeah, I'm pretty sure I learned this trick from this list (or was it
> one of the IRC channels? 樂).
>
> Kind regards, tastytea
>

I've searched for info on this.  I even tried typing in make and then
hitting tab twice.  It never gave me anything so I guess it doesn't work
there.  So, I'm learning as I go. 

I got nconfig to work.  The others didn't because of missing packages. 
It's interesting how many different ways there is to config a kernel.  I
went to a link that was posted, still reading it.  May learn something
else, if I can remember it when I need it.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[tastytea]

On 2022-01-15 23:13-0600 Dale  wrote:

> tastytea wrote:
> > On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:
> >  
> >> Grant Taylor wrote:  
> >>> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
>  Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
>  with the number keys?
> >>> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
> >>> the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
> >>> #TIL
> >>>
> >>> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been
> >>> my primary desktop for almost all of that time too.  
> >> You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in
> >> 2003 and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test
> >> run and gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying
> >> to hunt the thing down.   
> > I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
> > compiling kernels. Maybe someone s
> >
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> I think you got cut off up there.  O_o

Oops! I meant to say: Maybe someone should add a help text to the
interface. 

> This is one thing about this list.  I'm always finding some tidbit of
> info that makes something easier.  My problem, remembering it. 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I learned this trick from this list (or was it
one of the IRC channels? 樂).

Kind regards, tastytea

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

tastytea wrote:
> On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:
>
>> Grant Taylor wrote:
>>> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:  
 Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
 with the number keys?  
>>> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
>>> the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
>>> #TIL
>>>
>>> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been my
>>> primary desktop for almost all of that time too.
>> You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in 2003
>> and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test run and
>> gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying to hunt the
>> thing down. 
> I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
> compiling kernels. Maybe someone s
>
>
>


I think you got cut off up there.  O_o

This is one thing about this list.  I'm always finding some tidbit of
info that makes something easier.  My problem, remembering it.  I
generally follow a thread even when I have no clue what a person is
talking about because it is a package that I've never even heard of. 
Sometimes I learn something, sometimes I might even be able to post
about a different view point to solve a problem.  Still, I follow about
every post, just in case I might find something of value or can maybe
help in some small way. 

I'm about to work on dovecote again.  It's something I'm totally
clueless about.  I think I got the config setup because I can start the
service without it puking on my keyboard.  Thing is, I have no idea what
to do with it after that.  I had trouble setting up Seamonkey to get my
emails from gmail.  I had to google and look at pics and such. 
Eventually my hammer found the right nail.  Thing about this list, I'll
get help because there is likely a lot of people on here who use
Dovecote and know what to do. 

Yep, this is a awesome list, for getting help, learning new things or
giving help to someone else.  What's so neat, everyone does it with a
healthy dose of respect, even when dealing with some strange characters,
like me.  Then we have Neil with his funny and sometimes odd signature
lines.  I like the recent one about the cannibals and the clowns.  ROFL 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[tastytea]

On 2022-01-15 21:04-0600 Dale  wrote:

> Grant Taylor wrote:
> > On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:  
> >> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results
> >> with the number keys?  
> >
> > I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about
> > the number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.
> > #TIL
> >
> > *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been my
> > primary desktop for almost all of that time too.
> 
> You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in 2003
> and I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test run and
> gosh darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying to hunt the
> thing down. 

I only learned about it a few years ago, after more than 10 years of
compiling kernels. Maybe someone s



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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[William Kenworthy]

On 16/1/22 00:06, Dale wrote:

tastytea wrote:

On 2022-01-15 22:38+0800 Andrew Lowe  wrote:


Dear all,
I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
kernel. This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make
menuconfig" builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why
stuff is not in alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying
to find some of the entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android".
You would expect it to be near the top of the device drivers, but no,
it's near the bottom.

No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a
whinge.

Andrew


Yeah, someone should clean that thing up… But I guess a lot of people
would complain because they are used to the current structure. 

Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
the number keys?



Number keys?  I got to go test this.  That would be one nifty trick.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Yep, its quite nifty!  Also, menuconfig is not the only way - there are 
a few config programs for the kernel ... if you have X on the machine 
there is xconfig which can be quite useful. Others Ive heard of a 
mconfig, gconfig and nconfig and there are probably more.


also see "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menuconfig;

BillK

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
>> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
>> the number keys?
>
> I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about the
> number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.  #TIL
>
> *Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been my
> primary desktop for almost all of that time too.
>
>
>


You are not alone Grant.  I started with my first puter back in 2003 and
I had no idea about the number thing.  I gave it a test run and gosh
darn it, it worked.  That's a lot better than trying to hunt the thing
down. 

I also noticed that when you exit out, it goes back to the search
results instead of the previous menu.  That is good when you have to
enable several things to get the driver you want to show up.  What a
awesome piece of info. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Alarig Le Lay]

On Sat 15 Jan 2022 23:38:18 GMT, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> make oldconfig feeds you the new items, one at a time, complete with
> access to the help information.

Speaking of oldconfig, is there a way to only be asked when the default
is to enable the option? If the default is “No” I never want to add it,
so it would be better to skip all of theses.

-- 
Alarig

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:27:26 -0500, ny6p01 wrote:

> I actually set aside an hour or two to go through the whole tree, paying
> particular attention to everything marked NEW. I actually enjoy seeing
> what new functionality has been added with each upgrade even if it is
> irrelevant to my hardware. It's still good to know. Like the new built
> in NTFS support in 5.15. I might have missed this if I hadn't come
> across it!

make oldconfig feeds you the new items, one at a time, complete with
access to the help information.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[ny6p01]

Lee 

On Jan 15, 2022 at 3:01 PM, Fabulous Zhang Zheng 
wrote:



Andrew Lowe 于2022年1月15日 周六下午10:39写道：

> Dear all,
> I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
> kernel.
> This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig"
> builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in
> alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the
> entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to
> be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.
>
> No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a whinge.
>
> Andrew
>
> Good morning,

for me the  "/" search in "make menuconfig" tells me the structure
location, and the same search in "make nconfig" simply finds and jumps to
the location in that page.

Also for convenience I usually "make localyesconfig" then check it through
using "make nconfig" to quickly search in some menu and remove/add some
option.

I actually set aside an hour or two to go through the whole tree, paying
particular attention to everything marked NEW. I actually enjoy seeing what
new functionality has been added with each upgrade even if it is irrelevant
to my hardware. It's still good to know. Like the new built in NTFS support
in 5.15. I might have missed this if I hadn't come across it!

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Fabulous Zhang Zheng]

Andrew Lowe 于2022年1月15日 周六下午10:39写道：

> Dear all,
> I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
> kernel.
> This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig"
> builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in
> alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the
> entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to
> be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.
>
> No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a whinge.
>
> Andrew
>
> Good morning,

for me the  "/" search in "make menuconfig" tells me the structure
location, and the same search in "make nconfig" simply finds and jumps to
the location in that page.

Also for convenience I usually "make localyesconfig" then check it through
using "make nconfig" to quickly search in some menu and remove/add some
option.

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Grant Taylor]

On 1/15/22 7:47 AM, tastytea wrote:
Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with 
the number keys?


I've been using the search for decades*.  But I didn't know about the 
number keys to jump until reading this message and trying it.  #TIL


*Yes, I've been using Linux for more than two decades.  It's been my 
primary desktop for almost all of that time too.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Dale]

tastytea wrote:
> On 2022-01-15 22:38+0800 Andrew Lowe  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>  I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
>> kernel. This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make
>> menuconfig" builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why
>> stuff is not in alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying
>> to find some of the entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android".
>> You would expect it to be near the top of the device drivers, but no,
>> it's near the bottom.
>>
>>  No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a
>> whinge.
>>
>>  Andrew
>>
> Yeah, someone should clean that thing up… But I guess a lot of people
> would complain because they are used to the current structure. 
>
> Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
> the number keys?
>


Number keys?  I got to go test this.  That would be one nifty trick. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Bhaskar Chowdhury]

On 22:38 Sat 15 Jan 2022, Andrew Lowe wrote:

Dear all,
I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my kernel.
This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig"
builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in
alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the
entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to
be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.

No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a whinge.

Andrew



Well, I am sure you have noticed and used it ,if and only if, it skips you,
then you can press / while on the menu config screen and it will allow you to 
pinpoint the stuff, you are
looking for. Basically ,search operation.

Bhaskar


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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Andrew Lowe]

On 15/1/22 10:47 pm, tastytea wrote:

On 2022-01-15 22:38+0800 Andrew Lowe  wrote:


Dear all,
I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
kernel. This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make
menuconfig" builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why
stuff is not in alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying
to find some of the entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android".
You would expect it to be near the top of the device drivers, but no,
it's near the bottom.

No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a
whinge.

Andrew



Yeah, someone should clean that thing up… But I guess a lot of people
would complain because they are used to the current structure. 

Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
the number keys?



"number keys" - No, something to now investigate.

Thanks,
Andrew

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[tastytea]

On 2022-01-15 22:38+0800 Andrew Lowe  wrote:

> Dear all,
>   I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my
> kernel. This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make
> menuconfig" builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why
> stuff is not in alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying
> to find some of the entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android".
> You would expect it to be near the top of the device drivers, but no,
> it's near the bottom.
> 
>   No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a
> whinge.
> 
>   Andrew
> 

Yeah, someone should clean that thing up… But I guess a lot of people
would complain because they are used to the current structure. 

Did you know you can search with / and then jump to the results with
the number keys?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Michael Orlitzky]

On Sat, 2022-01-15 at 22:38 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote:
> Dear all,
>   I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my kernel. 
> This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig" 
> builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in 
> alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the 
> entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to 
> be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.
> 
> 

You can use "/" to search from within the menu, and the results will
include a "Location" that shows the path through the menu tree.

[gentoo-user] Kernel config thingy, "make menuconfig"

[Andrew Lowe]

Dear all,
	I'm in the process of fiddling around with the config of my kernel. 
This means using the "menu config thingy" that "make menuconfig" 
builds. It is very frustrating. Does anyone know why stuff is not in 
alphabetical order? It's a pain in the clacka trying to find some of the 
entries. For example "Device Drivers -> Android". You would expect it to 
be near the top of the device drivers, but no, it's near the bottom.


No, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" it, just basically a whinge.

Andrew