Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wed, 10 May 2006 16:25:46 +0200, Nagatoro wrote: Om my (slow?) laptop I get: frame-buffer: 34 l/s rxvt-unicode: 12 000 l/s xterm: 4500 l/s Konsole: l/s gnome-terminal: l/s ^^^ _not_ faked :) Konsole runs twice as fast if you start it with the --noxft option. -- Neil Bothwick Who needs rational when your toes curl up? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wed, 10 May 2006 14:21:11 +0200, Matthias Langer wrote: Well, here are some comparisons done with my test-prog (attached) Thanks for that, the program was useful for comparing the terminals I reviewed. I was going to do time cat /some/really/long/file but you saved me the subsequent arithmetic :) -- Neil Bothwick C:\BELFRY is where I keep my .BAT files ^^^oo^^^ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Willie Wong wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:56:46PM -0500, Penguin Lover Harry Putnam squawked: I also looked for a drop-down term. Couldn't find one that I really liked, so just made a wrapper myself for aterm in fvwm using a borderless window, key binding for focus and shading, and EdgeCommand. It is quite convenient. What do you guys mean by `drop-down'? Do you play FPS? Think how in many of those games you can hit ~ to bring down a console that convers half the screen... The basic idea (for me, at least) is a terminal window that is sticky (so persists between desktops) and, normally, is shaded. It should be able to react to a keyboard trigger so it unrolls from the top of the screen and stays always on top and doesn't lose focus when it is unrolled. HTH, W Sounds nice. But i don't want kdelibs on my system. I use wmii-3. It is highly configurable, so hopefully i am able to make a script that can do this job with any x terminal. And if you use xcompmgr and transset-df you can make the terminal transparent. A twenty line bash script is a bit faster as kdelibs. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEaskPBbWbHb9PeLsRAui0AJ9auymj/vvLm/e1icJGxWgI/xdJsQCghUKJ OjmtCKyBrxkBkiUx0wuT9JE= =iVda -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On 5/16/06, Daniel Waeber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Willie Wong wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:56:46PM -0500, Penguin Lover Harry Putnam squawked: I also looked for a drop-down term. Couldn't find one that I really liked, so just made a wrapper myself for aterm in fvwm using a borderless window, key binding for focus and shading, and EdgeCommand. It is quite convenient. What do you guys mean by `drop-down'? Do you play FPS? Think how in many of those games you can hit ~ to bring down a console that convers half the screen... The basic idea (for me, at least) is a terminal window that is sticky (so persists between desktops) and, normally, is shaded. It should be able to react to a keyboard trigger so it unrolls from the top of the screen and stays always on top and doesn't lose focus when it is unrolled. HTH, W Sounds nice. But i don't want kdelibs on my system. I use wmii-3. It is highly configurable, so hopefully i am able to make a script that can do this job with any x terminal. And if you use xcompmgr and transset-df you can make the terminal transparent. A twenty line bash script is a bit faster as kdelibs. Yup. You go man! I just use YaKuake 'cause KDELibs is already on my system and in memory whenever I'm using my laptop. If you're a KDE fan it's really nice, though I'm all for other WMs. I always try out new WMs whenever I get the chance. I'm particularly fond of fvwm, though it didn't work on Gentoo. I can't say I have the patience, drive or motive to make it work yet, but I am, for the record, a very pro-variety person. I'm also for M$ making a WM for linux and calling that Windows. If you start thinking it through, and minding that M$ engineers aren't evil bug-making machines, and rather overworked underpaid programmers trying to make an artificial corporate deadline, the advantages for both M$ and the Linux community are very great. We'd have to murder Steve Ballmer though - he's wy to proud to ever do something like that. And why am I not signing my messages anymore? I'm using the GMail webface right now, and... I killed .kde3.4 and .kde in my ~/ folder. KDE was running so darn slow and now its running much much faster. I didn't know that'd kill my KMail inbox... now I know. I haven't had the time to set KMail back up yet, so for now I'm using GMail's wonderful web interface again. It's not that bad... invites for whoever wants 'em it you just ask me. Anyways... just to keep this on-topic... perhaps the best way to work with the CLI is without a WM. That is, after all, what the WM is doing... at least to my meagre knowledge of Unix architecture. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 02:02:01PM +0200, Nagatoro wrote
Bo Andresen wrote:
On Friday 12 May 2006 21:18, Nagatoro wrote:
Note that the prompt for konsole is blinking ie invisible every other
second.
What is the output of:
# echo $PS1
\[\033[38;5;[EMAIL PROTECTED];5;39m\]\h \[\033[38;5;25m\]\w
\[$(ps_retc_f $?)\]$?
\[\033[38;5;70m\]$(ps_job_f)\[\033[38;5;52m\]$(ps_dir_f)\n\[\]\D{%a
%T} \[\033[38;5;77m\]$ \[\033[0;0m\]
Yikes!!! And I thought I was getting cute with...
export
PS1='[\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[00m\]][\[\033[01;34m\]\u\[\033[00m\]][\[\033[01;36m\]\w\[\033[00m\]]
'
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On a limited resources box I have always used rxvt/aterm. I have also used Konsole but it slows things down. I am waiting for real transprency to work with aterm. Unlike pseudo-transparency which just looks pretty I think real transparency is useful as you can see the contents of other terminals/windows underneath the terminal you are currently working on. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Bo Andresen wrote:
On Friday 12 May 2006 21:18, Nagatoro wrote:
Note that the prompt for konsole is blinking ie invisible every other
second.
What is the output of:
# echo $PS1
\[\033[38;5;[EMAIL PROTECTED];5;39m\]\h \[\033[38;5;25m\]\w
\[$(ps_retc_f $?)\]$?
\[\033[38;5;70m\]$(ps_job_f)\[\033[38;5;52m\]$(ps_dir_f)\n\[\]\D{%a
%T} \[\033[38;5;77m\]$ \[\033[0;0m\]
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mick wrote: On a limited resources box I have always used rxvt/aterm. I have also used Konsole but it slows things down. I am waiting for real transprency to work with aterm. Unlike pseudo-transparency which just looks pretty I think real transparency is useful as you can see the contents of other terminals/windows underneath the terminal you are currently working on. hardware accelerated real transparency can be accomplished with xcompmgr and transset. But i don't like it, because you can't read either contents anymore. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEZdWeBbWbHb9PeLsRAr3zAJ9Mr2U0vNL4tgCiIvROMhmDyrFxQwCgktXS gssitJnxaSGhWHNxJ2bBhMg= =yJJW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Saturday 13 May 2006 14:02, Nagatoro wrote:
What is the output of:
# echo $PS1
\[\033[38;5;[EMAIL PROTECTED];5;39m\]\h \[\033[38;5;25m\]\w
\[$(ps_retc_f $?)\]$?
\[\033[38;5;70m\]$(ps_job_f)\[\033[38;5;52m\]$(ps_dir_f)\n\[\]\D{%a
%T} \[\033[38;5;77m\]$ \[\033[0;0m\]
Holy crap! How on earth did you come up with that? ;) Could you post the
output of
# env | grep ps
too?
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Hi Neil, on Tuesday, 2006-05-09 at 19:33:51, you wrote: which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Almost exclusively Gnome-Terminal. Although I usually prefer console tools I never really got into screen usage, so tabs are essential. I don't have anything to complain about its color support, and its Unicode support (especially quick swicthing between encodings) is better than any other term I tried. As I use XFCE4, I also had a closer look at xfterm. Slim, fast, very nice to use, but fairly unstable last timeI looked, I'd get a frozen term about every other day. But I'm looking forward to it maturing. cheers! Matthias -- I prefer encrypted and signed messages. KeyID: FAC37665 Fingerprint: 8C16 3F0A A6FC DF0D 19B0 8DEF 48D9 1700 FAC3 7665 pgpTeTjYkiOzn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 20:33, Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? konsole, because of tabs and easy to customize. xterm, when naked X is running. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Bo Andresen wrote:
On Saturday 13 May 2006 14:02, Nagatoro wrote:
What is the output of:
# echo $PS1
\[\033[38;5;[EMAIL PROTECTED];5;39m\]\h \[\033[38;5;25m\]\w
\[$(ps_retc_f $?)\]$?
\[\033[38;5;70m\]$(ps_job_f)\[\033[38;5;52m\]$(ps_dir_f)\n\[\]\D{%a
%T} \[\033[38;5;77m\]$ \[\033[0;0m\]
Holy crap! How on earth did you come up with that? ;) Could you post the
output of
Different color for username and host based on the user and host. and
some more stuff :) (borrowed from some .bashrc I found in some gentoo
dev's webspace).
# env | grep ps
lör 19:31:33 $ env | grep ps
LS_COLORS=no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=01;05;37;41:mi=01;05;37;41:su=37;41:sg=30;43:tw=30;42:ow=34;42:st=37;44:ex=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tbz2=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.deb=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jar=01;31:*.rar=01;31:*.ace=01;31:*.zoo=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.7z=01;31:*.rz=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.pbm=01;35:*.pgm=01;35:*.ppm=01;35:*.tga=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.tiff=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.mng=01;35:*.pcx=01;35:*.mov=01;35:*.mpg=01;35:*.mpeg=01;35:*.m2v=01;35:*.mkv=01;35:*.ogm=01;35:*.mp4=01;35:*.m4v=01;35:*.mp4v=01;35:*.qt=01;35:*.wmv=01;35:*.asf=01;35:*.rm=01;35:*.rmvb=01;35:*.flc=01;35:*.avi=01;35:*.fli=01;35:*.gl=01;35:*.dl=01;35:*.xcf=01;35:*.xwd=01;35:*.pdf=00;32:*.ps=00;32:*.txt=00;32:*.patch=00;32:*.diff=00;32:*.log=00;32:*.tex=00;32:*.doc=00;32:*.flac=01;35:*.mp3=01;35:*.
mpc=00;36:*.ogg=00;36:*.wav=00;36:*.mid=00;36:*.midi=00;36:*.au=00;36:*.flac=00;36:*.aac=00;36:
PS1=\[\033[38;5;[EMAIL PROTECTED];5;39m\]\h \[\033[38;5;25m\]\w
\[$(ps_retc_f $?)\]$?
\[\033[38;5;70m\]$(ps_job_f)\[\033[38;5;52m\]$(ps_dir_f)\n\[\]\D{%a
%T} \[\033[38;5;77m\]$ \[\033[0;0m\]
HISTCONTROL=ignorespace:ignoredups
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Alexander Skwar wrote: Nagatoro wrote: But the deal breaker for me is the color support. It's not nearly as good as xterm or rxvt(-unicode) (here my bash prompt that is set to some nice colors is displayed as underlined in gnome-terminal and blinking in konsole). Could you maybe provide screenshots? If you don't have webspace http://dx.homelinux.org/gentoo/ Note that the prompt for konsole is blinking ie invisible every other second. -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Friday 12 May 2006 21:18, Nagatoro wrote: Note that the prompt for konsole is blinking ie invisible every other second. What is the output of: # echo $PS1 -- Bo Andresen pgpoZ6pVk0Gru.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Nagatoro wrote: Least: Konsole + Gnome-terminal, slow, and in my opinion horrible color support. Don't use the tabs since I like to be able to look at all (or many) sessions at once, so tabs makes no sense to me. The early versions of gnome-terminal were a little slow. Have you tried gnome-terminal 2.14? It is *really* fast now. About 4x faster then xterm. If you use antialiased fonts, xterm gets *real* slow. xterm is more then 60x slower then gnome-terminal for scrolling a lot of antialiased text. http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-14/ Jim -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Jim wrote: The early versions of gnome-terminal were a little slow. Have you tried gnome-terminal 2.14? It is *really* fast now. About 4x faster then xterm. If you use antialiased fonts, xterm gets *real* slow. xterm is more then 60x slower then gnome-terminal for scrolling a lot of antialiased text. I have, see other posts, and it's about 1/2 as fast as rxvt(-unicode). But the deal breaker for me is the color support. It's not nearly as good as xterm or rxvt(-unicode) (here my bash prompt that is set to some nice colors is displayed as underlined in gnome-terminal and blinking in konsole). And another realy nice feature of rxvt(-unicode) is that the text rewraps if you change the window size. -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Nagatoro wrote: I have, see other posts, and it's about 1/2 as fast as rxvt(-unicode). Well, that might be so. But I seldom need *THAT* speed. I seldom have that much text flying by... But the deal breaker for me is the color support. It's not nearly as good as xterm or rxvt(-unicode) (here my bash prompt that is set to some nice colors is displayed as underlined in gnome-terminal and blinking in konsole). Could you maybe provide screenshots? If you don't have webspace of your own, you could upload those to sites like http://imageshack.us/. This would be great, as it's hard for me to understand what you mean. As you can see on http://www.myimg.de/?img=Bildschirmfotoalexanderblattbe.png, I've got colors in Gnome Terminal. Alexander Skwar -- Problem solving under Linux has never been the circus that it is under AIX.-- Pete Ehlke in comp.unix.aix -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Most: rxvt-unicode because it's the fastest I've used (and it has unicode support), one down side is that it hasn't got 100% VT100 support so all colors doesn't work (still better then most others). Otherwise xterm. Least: Konsole + Gnome-terminal, slow, and in my opinion horrible color support. Don't use the tabs since I like to be able to look at all (or many) sessions at once, so tabs makes no sense to me. -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Konsole. Allows me to set a background. Nothing fancy, just a very light yellow wich I find appropriate for my eyesight. Also allows to customize text colors (directories, symlinks,etc). These two points are _really_ important--we're not talking eye candy here. I don't have much use for other frills: I open and close konsole windows via keyboard shortcuts, so it's easier to open a new window than a new tab (unless there is a way to open, close and cycle through tabs via keyboard, which I don't know...). -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
060509 Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Konsole : it fits well with my KDE desktop, is very easy to configure, has tabs when I need them, has a nice font (Fixed GNU 11/13); KDE starts 2 for me at reboot, 1 for user 1 for root, I don't find it slow to start another on my fairly fast machine; also, it now handles Unicode properly, so I don't need Mlterm for Esperanto/Greek. Unfavorite is Xterm, which has ugly colors is difficult to configure (ok maybe I've never found out how to do those things easily). I don't like transparency other forms of intrusive eye-candy, just simple pleasing shapes, fonts colors I can go on looking at. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 07:31:46AM +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote: Konsole. Allows me to set a background. Nothing fancy, just a very light yellow wich I find appropriate for my eyesight. Also allows to customize text colors (directories, symlinks,etc). These two points are _really_ important--we're not talking eye candy here. I don't have much use for other frills: I open and close konsole windows via keyboard shortcuts, so it's easier to open a new window than a new tab (unless there is a way to open, close and cycle through tabs via keyboard, which I don't know...). I think the defaults are (at least here ;) Ctrl-Alt-N for new tab, Shift-Left or Shift-Right to switch tabs. Or just Settings-Configure shortcuts, I personaly don't like Shift-arrows much, I'm used to use them in apps inside the term (vim, ...) yoyo -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- _ | YoYo () Siska http://www.ksp.sk/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Jorge Almeida wrote: I don't have much use for other frills: I open and close konsole windows via keyboard shortcuts, so it's easier to open a new window than a new tab (unless there is a way to open, close and cycle through tabs via keyboard, which I don't know...). To open a tab, hit Ctrl+Alt+n. To cycle: Shift+Cursor right or Shift+Cursor Left Alexander Skwar -- Ozmosis: The inability of one's job to live up to one's self-image. -- Douglas Coupland, Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wed, 10 May 2006, YoYo siska wrote: I think the defaults are (at least here ;) Ctrl-Alt-N for new tab, Shift-Left or Shift-Right to switch tabs. Or just Settings-Configure shortcuts, I personaly don't like Shift-arrows much, I'm used to use them in apps inside the term (vim, ...) Not bad. It may be convenient to use tabs instead of new windows sometimes, to save desktop space or to simplify cycling trough windows... I never had a real look at the functionallities of Konsole... Thanks. -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wed, 10 May 2006, Alexander Skwar wrote: Jorge Almeida wrote: I don't have much use for other frills: I open and close konsole windows via keyboard shortcuts, so it's easier to open a new window than a new tab (unless there is a way to open, close and cycle through tabs via keyboard, which I don't know...). To open a tab, hit Ctrl+Alt+n. To cycle: Shift+Cursor right or Shift+Cursor Left Thank you. I should have browsed the Settings menu, but really only mentioned it as an afterthought, after noticing that there isn't a shortcut info in the Session menu. -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 07:51 +0200, Nagatoro wrote: [snip] Least: ... Gnome-terminal, slow, and in my opinion horrible color support. [snip] Gnome terminal used to be slow, but vte (the underlying library) has beem optimized heavily during the last few month. I've a simple program that measures the speed of terminals. According to this program gnome-terminal is now __50__ times faster than it was 5 month ago. Matthias -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 13:58 +0200, Matthias Langer wrote:
On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 07:51 +0200, Nagatoro wrote:
[snip]
Least:
... Gnome-terminal, slow, and in my opinion horrible color support.
[snip]
Gnome terminal used to be slow, but vte (the underlying library) has
beem optimized heavily during the last few month. I've a simple program
that measures the speed of terminals. According to this program
gnome-terminal is now __50__ times faster than it was 5 month ago.
Matthias
Well, here are some comparisons done with my test-prog (attached)
(higher is better):
eterm: ~ 14 000 l/s
xterm: ~ 8 500 l/s
gnome-terminal: ~ 3 500 l/s
frame-buffer: ~ 40 l/s
Btw: I should have written __80__ instead of __50__.
PS: Please note that the attached program is an ad hoc implementation to
do some basic comparisons, and not a sophisticated program. Compile it
with 'g++ -Wall -O3 filename.cc -o executable'.
#include ctime
#include iostream
#include string
#include algorithm
using namespace std;
static string
rStr(AaBbCcEeFfGgHhIiJjKkLlMmNnOoPpQqRrSsTtUuVvWwXxYyZz(){}[]?*+-/_-:.;, );
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
int lines;
if(argc == 1)
lines = 2;
else if(argc == 2)
{
lines = atoi(argv[1]);
if(lines 1000)
{
cerr Please enter at least '1000' for lines ! endl;
return 1;
}
}
else
{
cerr Usage: tspeed lines endl;
return 2;
}
time_t t1 = time(NULL);
for(int i=0; i != lines; ++i)
{
cout rStr endl;
random_shuffle(rStr.begin(), rStr.end());
}
time_t t2 = time(NULL);
time_t elapsed = t2-t1;
if(elapsed == 0)
{
cerr Writing lines lines to the screen took less than one second. endl;
cerr Please choose a bigger value for lines. endl;
return 3;
}
double speed = double(lines)/double(elapsed);
cerr endl;
cerr terminal speed: speed l/s endl;
return 0;
}
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
I use terminal from Xfce4. It's very much like gnome-terminal, which I like, but it appears to be much lighter. Next to that I just use plan ol' xterm when I don't need colors or tabs. It's about as light as you can get... If it makes a difference, I use ctwm as my window manager... On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 07:33:51PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Let's hope this generates some interesting comment before degenerating into a subset of the typical KDE/GNOME flamefest ;-/ -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh, more from force of habit than anything else. -- -M There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Matthias Langer wrote: On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 13:58 +0200, Matthias Langer wrote: On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 07:51 +0200, Nagatoro wrote: [snip] Least: ... Gnome-terminal, slow, and in my opinion horrible color support. [snip] Gnome terminal used to be slow, but vte (the underlying library) has beem optimized heavily during the last few month. I've a simple program that measures the speed of terminals. According to this program gnome-terminal is now __50__ times faster than it was 5 month ago. Matthias Well, here are some comparisons done with my test-prog (attached) (higher is better): eterm:~ 14 000 l/s xterm:~ 8 500 l/s gnome-terminal: ~ 3 500 l/s frame-buffer: ~ 40 l/s Om my (slow?) laptop I get: frame-buffer: 34 l/s rxvt-unicode: 12 000 l/s xterm: 4500 l/s Konsole: l/s gnome-terminal: l/s ^^^ _not_ faked :) And another thing I love about rxvt(-unicode) is that if you change the width of the terminal the text rewraps ie: it follows the window size. -- Naga -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On 5/10/06, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Konsole. Allows me to set a background. Nothing fancy, just a very light yellow wich I find appropriate for my eyesight. Also allows to customize text colors (directories, symlinks,etc). These two points are _really_ important--we're not talking eye candy here. You can change those colors for all tereminals by copying /etc/DIR_COLORS to ~/.DIR_COLORS. Justin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 16:25 +0200, Nagatoro wrote:
Matthias Langer wrote:
On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 13:58 +0200, Matthias Langer wrote:
On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 07:51 +0200, Nagatoro wrote:
[snip]
Least:
... Gnome-terminal, slow, and in my opinion horrible color support.
[snip]
Gnome terminal used to be slow, but vte (the underlying library) has
beem optimized heavily during the last few month. I've a simple program
that measures the speed of terminals. According to this program
gnome-terminal is now __50__ times faster than it was 5 month ago.
Matthias
Well, here are some comparisons done with my test-prog (attached)
(higher is better):
eterm: ~ 14 000 l/s
xterm: ~ 8 500 l/s
gnome-terminal: ~ 3 500 l/s
frame-buffer: ~ 40 l/s
Om my (slow?) laptop I get:
frame-buffer: 34 l/s
rxvt-unicode: 12 000 l/s
xterm: 4500 l/s
Konsole: l/s
gnome-terminal: l/s
^^^
_not_ faked :)
Maybe this has something to do with your screen resolution; as you are
using a 'slow' laptop, i guess you are using 1024x768, while i use
1280x1024 in my athlon-xp 2400+.
PS: Did you pass any values to the prog ? It's because, it stopps after
it has written 20 000 lines if no arguments are passed. For very fast
terminals this is bad; Imagine a terminal that puts out 11 000 lines per
second. It will then take about 1.8 s to write 20 000 lines. However,
the program uses time(...) and therefore it will write:
20 000 l/s. The '' is not a big surprise, because 20 000 / 3 =
.7. Thus, if your terminal needs from 3s to 4s for 2 lines, you
will always get this result if specifying no arguments. As i said before
this is just a quick hack to make some comparisons. However, here is a
slightly impoved version ...
#include cmath
#include ctime
#include iostream
#include string
#include algorithm
using namespace std;
static string
rStr(AaBbCcEeFfGgHhIiJjKkLlMmNnOoPpQqRrSsTtUuVvWwXxYyZz(){}[]?*+-/_-:.;, );
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
int lines;
if(argc == 1)
lines = 2;
else if(argc == 2)
{
lines = atoi(argv[1]);
if(lines 1000)
{
cerr Please enter at least '1000' for lines ! endl;
return 1;
}
}
else
{
cerr Usage: tspeed lines endl;
return 2;
}
time_t t1 = time(NULL);
for(int i=0; i != lines; ++i)
{
cout rStr endl;
random_shuffle(rStr.begin(), rStr.end());
}
time_t t2 = time(NULL);
time_t elapsed = t2-t1;
if(elapsed == 0)
{
cerr endl;
cerr Writing lines lines to the screen took less than one second. endl;
cerr Please choose a bigger value for lines. endl;
return 3;
}
double speed = double(lines)/double(elapsed);
if(elapsed 6)
{
cout endl;
cout Warning: writing lines lines took fewer than 6 seconds. endl;
cout The the results may be inaccurate. endl;
cout Try tspeed value with valueceil(6*speed) endl;
}
cout endl;
cout terminal speed: floor(speed) l/s endl;
return 0;
}
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Matthias Langer wrote: Maybe this has something to do with your screen resolution; as you are using a 'slow' laptop, i guess you are using 1024x768, while i use 1280x1024 in my athlon-xp 2400+. Same resluts (more or less) with 100 000 lines and new version. -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wed, 10 May 2006, Justin Findlay wrote: + On 5/10/06, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Konsole. Allows me to set a background. Nothing fancy, just a very light yellow wich I find appropriate for my eyesight. Also allows to customize text colors (directories, symlinks,etc). These two points are _really_ important--we're not talking eye candy here. You can change those colors for all tereminals by copying /etc/DIR_COLORS to ~/.DIR_COLORS. But can I use them in any terminal, e.g. xterm? I suppose so, but how can a non-initiate know how to do it? I'm not saying that Konsole is perfect, far from it--for example, the font I use (Luxi mono) is impossible to choose from the settings dialog, I had to edit a conf file thanks to a suggestion by someone in this list, long ago. But at least I can set the colors for the background and the text. Anyway, in my home computer (just 1.5GHz, P4) Konsole is reasonably fast... I just launched a xterm, just to see how it goes. The TrueType Fonts entry in the VT Fonts menu is dimmed; I checked that xterm was emerged with the truetype flag selected. The fonts are not too bad, but Luxi Mono is better. And I see no menu entry to change it... I don't doubt that xterm is a good piece of software, it's just that some functionalities are important for some of us. And the same goes for other emulators. Anyway, thanks for the hint. It may be usefull. -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 09:54, Philip Webb wrote: 060509 Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? I use konsole because of tabs and because of manner how to cut/copy/paste. And because konsole is first I learned, it works for me and I dont see the need to learn some other X terminal m Linux 2.6.16-ck9 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 23:09:05 up 2:13, 3 users, load average: 1.14, 1.53, 1.33 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 11:33 am, Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? I love YaKuake. It's better than Kuake in that it's just Konsole on a miniblinds widget. It's superior because of its ultra-accessibility. Anywhere you can just hit your key combination and *pop* there's trusty old YaKuake. It supports multiple console tabs, which is almost a total necessity in my point of view. Second in my list is Konsole, chiefly because of it's customizability. I can tinker with the visual settings until I'm happy. Next is XTerm, and I've only used that out of necessity. It's really bland, but it gets the job done. I understand YaKuake works in Gnome, but it is a native KDE app. If you don't think YaKuake is worth your time, perhaps giving it a try will change your mind. It's far easier than finding a bare patch of desktop in Red Hat, right clicking, and the selecting new XTerm window, and it's much easier than KMenu-Terminal Sessions-Linux Console. My favorite keyboard combination for YaKuake (I think the default ones were made by Gnome developers) is alt+`. This is a deviation from the Quake-style in-game console (for which Kuake is named, which YaKuake is a descendent of) which is activated by hitting `. This isn't feasible in a desktop enviornment since that key will be needed by other applications and things, however, I find that by combining it with the alt key it tends to work out really quite nicely. I'm still waiting for it to become avaliable in Gentoo, though now that I've figured out about package masking I'm reconsidering my decision to wait... Let's hope this generates some interesting comment before degenerating into a subset of the typical KDE/GNOME flamefest ;-/ I will throw myself onto any grenades thrown in a possible flamewar. pgp2SlneQ5JZV.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Let's hope this generates some interesting comment before degenerating into a subset of the typical KDE/GNOME flamefest ;-/ -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh, more from force of habit than anything else. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Neil Bothwick wrote: which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? I use gnome-terminal, as I use gnome. It has all the features I want (most importantly: tabs) and has very fast startup times (in Gnome 2.14). So, that's my most favourite. I don't have a least favourite, as I only use gnome-terminal. No need to bother with anything else. Alexander Skwar -- The difference between a lawyer and a rooster is that the rooster gets up in the morning and clucks defiance. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 20:33, Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? I use yakuake. It's the the best drop-down terminal I've ever used, and I believe I tried almost all of them (there really aren't many). Off the top of my head, I recall yeahconsole and kuake. There's also tilda, but I never tried it. yeahconsole is good if you want as few dependencies as possible. It's basically xterm wrapped in a hidable window, although it seems to be missing some functionality (e.g. unicode support, at least back when I used it). Also, you need to use screen if you want to make it really useful, which isn't bad, of course, but lack of tabs is lack of features nonetheless :) . Also, I had to hack source in order to change some configuration, can't remember what. kuake is rather out-of-date and has been superseded by yakuake. While both are wrappers for KDE's konsole, the latter is noticeably faster and has more features. Most important, it has tabs and is also more configurable regarding focus policy (whether it retracts when it loses focus). The only thing it currently lacks and would really be useful is emacs-like tiling. It would basically make it a retractable set of terminals. It would make copypaste easier. But tab switching is actually quick enough to compensate for this lacking. pgpKavzr2Rrtb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? At home I use rxvt. Simple, very fast on startup. At work I use konsole. I like the session thing it has and the tabs, since I use a lot of interactive shell apps like python-ipython-octave at work they often comes quite handy. m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Let's hope this generates some interesting comment before degenerating into a subset of the typical KDE/GNOME flamefest ;-/ xterm and screen. Who needs tabs when you have screen? - -- Jeremy Olexa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Office: EE/CS 1-201 CS/IT Systems Staff University of Minnesota -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEYO2gFN7pD9kMi/URAtLYAKCITp6HHhXNl95qbsnCDKvmRAXrTgCdHASp zUShrJu9HmPHe6ffHj/2sRU= =a3dR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 19:33 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? I use gnome-terminal because it has tabs and color. I used to use multi-terminal, but I switched a long time ago because I found that gnome-terminal was more stable. I rarely (if ever) use xterm because its look-and-feel is so outdated and it doesn't support tabs. In that operating system masquerading as an editor (XEmacs), I use shell-mode because I can use all the power of a customizable and programmable visual editor on shell commands and output. (I just stumbled upon eshell (Emacs shell), and I'll have to give that a try.) The best terminal/shell I ever used was MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop) on the old Macs. Editing and the shell were seamlessly integrated. Wonderful. --- Vladimir Vladimir G. Ivanovic Palo Alto, CA 94306 +1 650 678 8014 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 07:33:51PM +0100, Penguin Lover Neil Bothwick squawked: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? rxvt (desktop) and aterm (laptop), more force of habit than anything else. eye-candy-wise, aterm supports pseudo-transparency, which is nice (at least until I get good composite support from X) and plays well with my custom fvwm theme. Can't really call them my most/least fav, nor give reasons. W -- The lack of market penetration of this concept is demonstrated when Darth Vader says the power of the FORCE when he actually meant the power of the FIELD. ~Prof. Kirk T. McDonald, DeathEM, P-town PHY 304 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 178 days, 12:07 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On 5/9/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Let's hope this generates some interesting comment before degenerating into a subset of the typical KDE/GNOME flamefest ;-/ -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh, more from force of habit than anything else. I use xterm when no other choice left, else Eterm and aterm, aterm is cool because of transparency, Eterm because it sets bg on fluxbox and I like its look and features. Tabs are not a problem since fluxbox take care of that putting any window in tabs... -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On 5/9/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? I use konsole, for no other reason than it is the default in my favorite DE. My configuration is pretty minimalistic, no tab or menu bars. But today I probably wouldn't use anything that didn't have a right-click popup menu for configuration of fonts and the like. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Jeremy Olexa wrote: xterm and screen. Who needs tabs when you have screen? Me. What have tabs and screen to do with each other? It makes a lot of sense to use both. The use of one doesn't contradict the use of the other. In no way whatsoever. Alexander Skwar -- Bender: I get a good vibe from this place. Nice long dinner table, quiet well-behaved spiders, graveyards adjacent -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Alexander Skwar wrote: Jeremy Olexa wrote: xterm and screen. Who needs tabs when you have screen? Me. What have tabs and screen to do with each other? It makes a lot of sense to use both. The use of one doesn't contradict the use of the other. In no way whatsoever. Can you tell me, why you would want to use both tab and screen? They both serve the same purpose. Screen is much better to handle than the tabs. Bye, Farhan Ahmed -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) Check Out : http://gentooisbest.blogspot.com pgpyyO55KjPEX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Let's hope this generates some interesting comment before degenerating into a subset of the typical KDE/GNOME flamefest ;-/ I use KDE's Konsole because of the tabs feature and it seems to have all the features I need. Not that concerned about loading time since I have one open all the time. Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
b.n. wrote: At work I use konsole. I like the session thing it has and the tabs, since I use a lot of interactive shell apps like python-ipython-octave at work they often comes quite handy.Completely agreed. I find the tabs to be extremely helpfull as I'm constantly running interactive shell programs on several tabs, and quite often editing my conf files on another. I've found it to be a little slow in X on older computers, but that could just be a poorly-configured system. -- Samuel300GB Hardrive from Newegg.com: $11532 HD LCD TV/PC Monitor: $1,199.992GB of RAM: $160GNU/Linux Operating System: Priceless (and free!)
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Farhan Ahmed wrote: Alexander Skwar wrote: Jeremy Olexa wrote: xterm and screen. Who needs tabs when you have screen? Me. What have tabs and screen to do with each other? It makes a lot of sense to use both. The use of one doesn't contradict the use of the other. In no way whatsoever. Can you tell me, why you would want to use both tab and screen? To seperate different screen sessions. I've often got multiple screen sessions running on multiple servers. And often I don't want to mix that. Different example: On tab 1, I'm logged on to screen on server 1 and show session 1. On tab 2, I'm logged on to the same session and show session 2. Now it's very easy to switch back and forth between those sessions - even easier than ^A^A. A different example, which has nothing to do with tabs, but with running multiple terminals with one or multiple screens: To *see* two sessions at once. Screen also becomes somewhat harder to use, when you've got more than 10 sessions in a screen, as you then cannot *as* easily switch - or is there a way to easily switch to session 17? For 0 to 9, it's just ^A0 to ^A9 (or whatever the escape character is set to). Granted - with gnome-terminal, it also becomes clumsy to switch to sessions 10. And no, even if it might be possible to change the size of the screen so that two (or more) sessions can be shown They both serve the same purpose. No, they don't. How does screen serve the purpose of seperating sessions? Easy (contrived) example: On Console 1 I'm logged on to server 1 and have my screen with some sessions. And on Console 2, I'm logged on to workstation 2 with some sessions. How do you do that with just one screen? Screen is much better to handle than the tabs. No, it isn't. But it's also not worse. It just doesn't have anything to do with each other, as they serve different purposes. And because of that, the best answer is: They are different. Different things for different purposes are different to handle. Alexander Skwar -- Chicago Transit Authority Rider's Rule #36: Never ever ask the tough looking gentleman wearing El Rukn headgear where he got his pyramid powered pizza warmer. -- Chicago Reader 3/27/81 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Jeremy Olexa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Let's hope this generates some interesting comment before degenerating into a subset of the typical KDE/GNOME flamefest ;-/ xterm and screen. Who needs tabs when you have screen? And xterm is mostly compatible with a real VT100, which other terminal emulators usually aren't. -- Hilsen Harald. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Neil Bothwick wrote: I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your most/least favourite X terminals, and why? Let's hope this generates some interesting comment before degenerating into a subset of the typical KDE/GNOME flamefest ;-/ Eterm - as it works well with Enlightenment, and is a bit prettier than xterm! I used to use Konsole (with KDE), which is a great terminal emulator, but I wanted to move to a lighter weight window manager. (Yeah - I know I can use Konsole without KDE - but it does startup a fair bit of the KDE infrastructure to support it). Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
Harald Arnesen wrote: And xterm is mostly compatible with a real VT100, which other terminal emulators usually aren't. As someone that has never, ever used a real VT100, what's the purpose of this full emulation (apart from historical/nostalgic value, of course: and I value this, really)? m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 09:26:30PM +0200, Penguin Lover Jure Varlec squawked: I use yakuake. It's the the best drop-down terminal I've ever used, and I believe I tried almost all of them (there really aren't many). Off the top of my head, I recall yeahconsole and kuake. There's also tilda, but I never tried it. I also looked for a drop-down term. Couldn't find one that I really liked, so just made a wrapper myself for aterm in fvwm using a borderless window, key binding for focus and shading, and EdgeCommand. It is quite convenient. W -- I have a speech impediment... my foot. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 178 days, 16:11 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
