Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: KDE apps use PHONON, so they don't have to deal with the underlying sound system. KDE apps use SOLID, so they don't need to care about hardware, hot plugin, etc. KDE apps use dbus so they can share code and easily communicate. One thing I never understood

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Enrico Weigelt
BRM wrote: It does not exist so that Kmail can index all the files on the system but for the opposite - so that Kmail can participate in the search by allowing the system to be able to search _its_ data. Just to let me get the point right: kmail provides some kind of search/date integration

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: BRM wrote: It does not exist so that Kmail can index all the files on the system but for the opposite - so that Kmail can participate in the search by allowing the system to be able to search _its_ data. Just to let me get the point

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: KDE apps use PHONON, so they don't have to deal with the underlying sound system. KDE apps use SOLID, so they don't need to care about hardware, hot plugin, etc. KDE apps use dbus so they can share code and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Another service? Yes, a service that will be started only on-demand. Great - but then shut up about dbus. Who the frak are you to tell me shut up ?! cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: phonon: because phonon is part of qt? And qt is more than just a toolkit? What is it then ? An own OS ? ;-o cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ cellphone: +49

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: phonon: because phonon is part of qt? And qt is more than just a toolkit? What is it then ? An own OS ? ;-o are you insisting going down the stupid road?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Another service? Yes, a service that will be started only on-demand. so I have to wait for the service to start first? Sounds even crappier. Great - but then shut up about dbus. Who the frak are you to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't dependent of the DE, to require a dependency of the DE. It just seems a bit backwards to me :-) I simply don't understand. That just shows that they are still partially

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't dependent of the DE, to require a dependency of the DE. It just seems a bit backwards to me

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 12:15:13 Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't dependent of the DE, to require

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't dependent of the DE, to require a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Zeerak Waseem zeera...@gmail.com On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't dependent of the DE, to require a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:01:22 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But I do find it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:46:57 +0100, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message From: Zeerak Waseem zeera...@gmail.com On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But I do find it silly, that the various

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Zeerak Waseem zeera...@gmail.com But then the question isn't whether there are a number of soft dependencies, but in the case of semantic-desktop whether -it- is a soft dependency. Like previously stated, I don't use kmail, nor do I intend to (I at least

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:01:22 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/12/2010 10:14 AM, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But then the question isn't whether there are a number of soft dependencies, but in the case of semantic-desktop whether -it- is a soft dependency. Like previously stated, I don't use kmail, nor do I intend to (I at least think I mentioned it). This

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:51:01 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:01:22 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri,

[gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread walt
Zeerak Waseem wrote: I just started a degree, to accomplish -something akin to- that ;-) Ah, good. Let me give you some free advice, well in advance. When it comes time to pick people for your thesis committee -- pick ones who love to argue. I think it may save you some pain later.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Stroller wrote: On 11 Feb 2010, at 00:01, Jörg Schaible wrote: ... your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:17:07AM +, Stroller wrote I cannot for a moment believe that you (Roy) can organise your files so that you can find them easier than typing a search term clicking on the correct result. You just don't want to try it because your current methods are good

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:17:07AM +, Stroller wrote I cannot for a moment believe that you (Roy) can organise your files so that you can find them easier than typing a search term clicking on the correct result. You just don't want

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/11/2010 7:00 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: And if I really wanted a glitzy, bloated, slow-as-molasses, pointy-clicky-touchy-feely-oowee-GUI, I would've stayed with Windows, thank you. I started with Blckbox and am now on ICEWM. So, to summarize: * You don't like modern desktop environment

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de wrote: Well, in 4.3.x I eliminated it after the first try, because it took so many resources of my machine, that I could not use it for something else. So, you mean, in 4.4.x it takes only a 10% of the resources it took with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody else's desktop. Is this ignorance or FUD? It must be FUD because it has already been stated

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody else's desktop. Is this ignorance or FUD?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:55:23 +0100, Roy Wright r...@wright.org wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason

[gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread walt
On 02/11/2010 01:35 PM, Zeerak Waseem wrote: It just seems silly that if you want to use the newest version of kate, kmail etc. that semantic-desktop is forced upon you, when you're not interested in having the entire DE. By the authority vested in me by My-Wife-the-Windows-User, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:04:38 +0100, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/11/2010 01:35 PM, Zeerak Waseem wrote: It just seems silly that if you want to use the newest version of kate, kmail etc. that semantic-desktop is forced upon you, when you're not interested in having the entire

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Jörg Schaible wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:25:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I don't know what load it creates because I never even have any negative impact. Yes, there is some nepomuk stuff sleeping in the background and it has zero impact on my desktop behaviour. It's the Strigi indexer that can affect

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
On 11 Feb 2010, at 00:01, Jörg Schaible wrote: ... your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop is something completley different (and something that can be