Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file : solved

2016-04-18 Thread Peter Humphrey 
On Sunday 17 Apr 2016 23:00:45 Dale wrote:
> Philip Webb wrote:
> > PS what does 'tl;dr' mean ? -- I've seen it in other msgs.
> 
> To long; didn't read.  I'm fairly sure that is it.

Actually, too long; didn't read.

> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

:-)

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Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file : solved

2016-04-17 Thread Dale 
Philip Webb wrote:
> PS what does 'tl;dr' mean ? -- I've seen it in other msgs. 

To long; didn't read.  I'm fairly sure that is it. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file : solved

2016-04-17 Thread Philip Webb 
160417 Andreas K. Hüttel wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 17. April 2016, 03:30:15 schrieb Philip Webb:
>> So another question arises :
>> has it always been necessary to add the user to the video group
> no it hasn't in the past, but with 3d acceleration creeping in everywhere.

The puzzle for me is that I can see no mention of it in my notes :
my user is in the video group in my previous machine,
but I'm quite sure I didn't add it there, so it must have been the default.
Somehow, it wasn't added when I set up my present machine Oct 2015
(or something overwrote it, but what ? ).  My memory is
that Xscreensaver showed the 3D modules at that time,
but that they disappeared in early Dec 2015 , around which time
I remerged Xscreensaver & also updated Xorg-server + friends.

>> If the latter, how are users supposed to know re such matters ?
> I was wondering for quite some time why sddm only showed a black screen,
> until I realized that the sddm user needs to be in video group too.
> tl;dr - happened to me too and a solution or at least
> some big error / warning would be nice.  Thinking about it.

Whyever would the default be to add 'root' to 'video', but not 'user' ?
-- one would expect it to be the other way round.
In fact, why would root ever need to use 3D for anything ?
-- root sb able to do all its stuff in a raw terminal without X.

Thanks again for solving both my problems so elegantly (smile).
It confirms by general belief that in Gentoo, problems are skin-deep :
find out where they are -- the difficult bit sometimes --
& then it's very easy to fix them.

PS what does 'tl;dr' mean ? -- I've seen it in other msgs.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file : solved

2016-04-17 Thread Andreas K. Hüttel 
Am Sonntag, 17. April 2016, 03:30:15 schrieb Philip Webb:

:)

> So another question arises :
> has it always been necessary to add the user to the video group

no it hasn't in the past, but with 3d acceleration creeping in everywhere...

> If the latter, how are users supposed to know re such matters ?

good question... I was wondering for quite some time why sddm only showed a 
black screen, until I realized that the sddm user needs to be in video group 
too (it's in the Plasma update howto)...

tl;dr - happened to me too. and a solution or at least some big error / 
warning would be nice... thinking about it.


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Andreas K. Hüttel
Gentoo Linux developer (council, perl, libreoffice)
dilfri...@gentoo.org
http://www.akhuettel.de/

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file : solved

2016-04-17 Thread Mick 
On Saturday 16 Apr 2016 21:30:15 Philip Webb wrote:

> So another question arises :
> has it always been necessary to add the user to the video group
> -- in which case, I must have made a mistake somewhere,
> perhaps when I installed in my new box 1510xx -- or is it a recent change ?
> If the latter, how are users supposed to know re such matters ?
> On the face of it, video should have nothing to do with spreadsheets !

I seem to recall that advice to add the user to the video group is in the 
handbook, but haven't checked recently.  Most applications these days use 
hardware acceleration for rich graphics and visual effects (not to mention 
compute cores).  Browsers and LO more than others.

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Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file : solved

2016-04-16 Thread Philip Webb 
160417 Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Libreoffice started using the OpenGL system much more
> over the last releases.
> * Check if "eselect opengl list" settings make sense

Yes :

  root:500 ~> eselect opengl list
  Available OpenGL implementations:
[1]   nvidia *
[2]   xorg-x11

> * Check if other 3d apps run fine

No, they don't : Xscreensaver 3D items stopped working c 151201 ;
I asked on this list, but found no way out.

> * Check if your user is in the video group

No, it wasn't & of course when I added it, both problems were solved !

> Cheers, Andreas

Cheers for Andreas (big smile) !

So another question arises :
has it always been necessary to add the user to the video group
-- in which case, I must have made a mistake somewhere,
perhaps when I installed in my new box 1510xx -- or is it a recent change ?
If the latter, how are users supposed to know re such matters ?
On the face of it, video should have nothing to do with spreadsheets !

-- 
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SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
TRANSIT`-O--O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file : solved

2016-04-16 Thread Philip Webb 
160416 Philip Webb wrote:
>> * Check if your user is in the video group
> No, it wasn't & of course when I added it, both problems were solved !

I've checked  /etc  from my previous machine (now stand-by)
& my user was in the video group there, so the question becomes :
was 'group' created by the installation process (Stage 3)
& defaulted to exclude user from video -- if so, why ? --
or did something else overwrite 'group' at some point -- ditto -- ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file

2016-04-16 Thread Andreas K. Huettel 
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Am Sonntag, 17. April 2016, 01:14:19 schrieb Philip Webb:

> > LO 5.0.5.2 open the file okay for me,
> > but I can't easily test the higher versions at the moment.
> > Have you tried running localc from an xterm window
> > to look for error messages?
> 
> This is all it tells me :
> 
> 500: ~> localc ttc-rider-85-15.xlsx
>   (soffice:16654): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_window_set_icon_list: icons too
> large (soffice:16654): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_window_set_icon_list: icons too
> large NVIDIA: failed to execute `/usr/bin/nvidia-modprobe -u`: Permission
> denied. Terminated
> 

On a hunch... libreoffice started using the OpenGL system much more over the 
last releases.

* Check if "eselect opengl list" settings make sense
* Check if other 3d apps run fine
* Check if your user is in the video group

Cheers, Andreas

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Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer 
dilfri...@gentoo.org
http://www.akhuettel.de/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file

2016-04-16 Thread Philip Webb 
160416 walt wrote:
>> 160416 Philip Webb  wrote:
>> I've run into a problem opening a M$ Office spreadsheet using
>> LibreOffice. I've put the original file up at
>>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/ttc-rider-85-15.xlsx
>> It should show a table of ridership figures for the Toronto transit system.
>> 
>> When I tried to open it using LO 5.1.0.3 on my Gentoo system,
>> the window froze (Fluxbox 1.3.7-r2) & I had to kill it via Htop.
>> However, when I tried it with LO 4.4.3.2 on Mint (another partition),
>> it opened correctly & I could save it as .ods & .csv : these are at
>>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/ttc-rider-85-15.ods
>>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/ttc-rider-85-15.csv
>> However again, when I tried to open these version with my Gentoo LO,
>> the .ods froze the window, while the .csv opened with garbage in  1
>> cell. I've updated LO twice to 5.1.1.3 & 5.1.2.2 , but the same happens.
>> 
>> Can others please test my files with their own Gentoo versions of LO ?
>> If they have a problem too, I'll file a bug with LO ;
>> if not, can anyone suggest what is causing the problem with my version ?
 
> LO 5.0.5.2 open the file okay for me,
> but I can't easily test the higher versions at the moment.
> Have you tried running localc from an xterm window
> to look for error messages?

This is all it tells me :

500: ~> localc ttc-rider-85-15.xlsx
  (soffice:16654): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_window_set_icon_list: icons too large
  (soffice:16654): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_window_set_icon_list: icons too large
  NVIDIA: failed to execute `/usr/bin/nvidia-modprobe -u`: Permission denied.
  Terminated

[back to me] These are the permissions for the latter :

  -rws--x--- 1 root video  29384 Mar 26 23:43 nvidia-modprobe

> Anything interesting in dmesg or the Xorg logs?

These are the last lines in  Xorg.0.log :

[11.523] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: disconnected
[11.523] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[11.523] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0):
[11.535] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Ancor Communications Inc VE228 (CRT-1): 
connected
[11.535] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Ancor Communications Inc VE228 (CRT-1): 400.0 
MHz maximum pixel clock
[11.535] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0):
[11.537] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: disconnected
[11.537] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: Internal TMDS
[11.537] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[11.537] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0):
[11.537] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-1: disconnected
[11.537] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-1: Internal TMDS
[11.537] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-1: 165.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[11.537] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0):
[11.540] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: disconnected
[11.540] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[11.540] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0):
[11.551] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Ancor Communications Inc VE228 (CRT-1): 
connected
[11.551] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Ancor Communications Inc VE228 (CRT-1): 400.0 
MHz maximum pixel clock
[11.551] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0):
[11.554] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: disconnected
[11.554] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: Internal TMDS
[11.554] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[11.554] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0):
[11.554] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-1: disconnected
[11.554] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-1: Internal TMDS
[11.554] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-1: 165.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[11.554] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0):

[back to me] On the LO screen the read bar goes halfway, then stalls.

Thanks for the feedback so far ; more wb welcome (smile).

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[gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file

2016-04-16 Thread walt 
On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:57:45 -0400
Philip Webb  wrote:

> I've run into a problem opening a M$ Office spreadsheet using
> LibreOffice. I've put the original file up at
>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/ttc-rider-85-15.xlsx
> It should show a table of ridership figures for the Toronto transit
> system.
> 
> When I tried to open it using LO 5.1.0.3 on my Gentoo system,
> the window froze (Fluxbox 1.3.7-r2) & I had to kill it via Htop.
> However, when I tried it with LO 4.4.3.2 on Mint (another partition),
> it opened correctly & I could save it as .ods & .csv : these are at
>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/ttc-rider-85-15.ods
>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/ttc-rider-85-15.csv
> However again, when I tried to open these version with my Gentoo LO,
> the .ods froze the window, while the .csv opened with garbage in  1
> cell. I've updated LO twice to 5.1.1.3 & 5.1.2.2 , but the same
> happens.
> 
> Can others please test my files with their own Gentoo versions of LO ?
> If they have a problem too, I'll file a bug with LO ;
> if not, can anyone suggest what is causing the problem with my
> version ?

LO 5.0.5.2 open the file okay for me, but I can't easily test the
higher versions at the moment.  Have you tried running localc from an
xterm window to look for error messages?  Anything interesting in dmesg
or the Xorg logs?