Re: [gentoo-user] Re: fonts mostly inaccessable to xterm

2017-03-06 Thread Mick 
On Sunday 05 Mar 2017 19:52:18 Harry Putnam wrote:
> Corbin Bird  writes:
> > Have you tried : xterm -fa "9x15B-ISO8859-1"?
> 
> I mentioned that the -fa switch was not working at all.
> 
> I've since discovered that the xterms I had were compiled with useflag
> truetype disabled .. so `-truetype' Which meant xterm was compiled
> without support for -fa
> 
> > Note : that works on XTerm v325 ( tested ).
> 
> I've recompiled xterm with useflag truetype enabled and now I have the
> -fa flag so I can run the command you mentioned above now.
> 
> That is a nice looking font... a little big on my view but
> 
> I see something a bit off here... trying to get a smaller font of the
> same type I went clear down to 4x6... but those all look just like
> the "9x15B-ISO8859-1"
> 
>   xterm -fa 4x6-ISO8859-1
> 
> Does not say anything by way of error or explanation just shows a
> terminal with the same font displayed as "9x15B-ISO8859-1"
> 
> That can't be a desirable outcome.
> 
> It must just be displaying the same size from 9x 8x 7x 6x 5x 4x. and
> doing so silently.

Have you tried creating a ~/.Xresources file with something like:

xterm*faceSize:12
xterm*faceSize1:6
xterm*faceSize2:8
xterm*faceSize3:10
xterm*faceSize4:12
xterm*faceSize5:14
xterm*faceSize6:16

This seems to work here, but I do not change font sizes in real time.

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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: fonts mostly inaccessable to xterm

2017-03-05 Thread Corbin Bird 
On 03/05/2017 06:52 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Corbin Bird  writes:
> 
>>
>> Have you tried : xterm -fa "9x15B-ISO8859-1"?
> 
> I mentioned that the -fa switch was not working at all.
> 
> I've since discovered that the xterms I had were compiled with useflag
> truetype disabled .. so `-truetype' Which meant xterm was compiled
> without support for -fa
> 
>> Note : that works on XTerm v325 ( tested ).
> 
> I've recompiled xterm with useflag truetype enabled and now I have the
> -fa flag so I can run the command you mentioned above now.
> 
> That is a nice looking font... a little big on my view but
> 
> I see something a bit off here... trying to get a smaller font of the
> same type I went clear down to 4x6... but those all look just like
> the "9x15B-ISO8859-1"
> 
>   xterm -fa 4x6-ISO8859-1
> 
> Does not say anything by way of error or explanation just shows a
> terminal with the same font displayed as "9x15B-ISO8859-1"
> 
> That can't be a desirable outcome.
> 
> It must just be displaying the same size from 9x 8x 7x 6x 5x 4x. and
> doing so silently.
> 
> I'm not running a font server.
> 
>> The Xorg Xft font server docs specifically show how to set the "default"
>> font in Xterm. Look for the section 'Configuring applications'
>>
>> Reference Link :
>>
>>> https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.7/doc/xorg-docs/fonts/fonts.html
> 
> Thanks for the link... much as I been googling I'm surprised I did not
> see that one already... it looks quite thorough.
> 
> 


The Xft server is really 'fontconfig'. No daemon running at all.

---

Compile with both USE flags "truetype unicode" and the local USE flag
"toolbar".

That will give you control of the font size.
( xterm -> VT Fonts, uxterm -> Unicode Fonts )

---

Reference Links :
( Use flags )
https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/x11-terms/xterm

( XTerm FAQ )
http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html

( Frequent problems )
http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#frequent_problems

( Scaled Fonts )
http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#scaled_font

Corbin

[gentoo-user] Re: fonts mostly inaccessable to xterm

2017-03-05 Thread Harry Putnam 
Corbin Bird  writes:

>
> Have you tried : xterm -fa "9x15B-ISO8859-1"?

I mentioned that the -fa switch was not working at all.

I've since discovered that the xterms I had were compiled with useflag
truetype disabled .. so `-truetype' Which meant xterm was compiled
without support for -fa

> Note : that works on XTerm v325 ( tested ).

I've recompiled xterm with useflag truetype enabled and now I have the
-fa flag so I can run the command you mentioned above now.

That is a nice looking font... a little big on my view but

I see something a bit off here... trying to get a smaller font of the
same type I went clear down to 4x6... but those all look just like
the "9x15B-ISO8859-1"

  xterm -fa 4x6-ISO8859-1

Does not say anything by way of error or explanation just shows a
terminal with the same font displayed as "9x15B-ISO8859-1"

That can't be a desirable outcome.

It must just be displaying the same size from 9x 8x 7x 6x 5x 4x. and
doing so silently.

I'm not running a font server.

> The Xorg Xft font server docs specifically show how to set the "default"
> font in Xterm. Look for the section 'Configuring applications'
>
> Reference Link :
>
>> https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.7/doc/xorg-docs/fonts/fonts.html

Thanks for the link... much as I been googling I'm surprised I did not
see that one already... it looks quite thorough.

[gentoo-user] Re: fonts mostly inaccessable to xterm

2017-03-05 Thread Harry Putnam 
Corbin Bird  writes:

[...]

Harry wrote:


[...]

>> googling for hours on this I find xterm can understand a different
>> switch  `xterm -fa bla-bla'
>> 
>> However, xterm as installed from portage does not understand that
>> switch at all.
>> 
>> Some of the googling mentioned that xterm has to have that ability
>> compiled in, so I wondered if our xterm is compiled for that option?

A very feeble light almost came on above...

[...]


Harry Putnam  writes:

> Corbin Bird  writes:
>
> [...]
>
>> Please clarify ...
>> ... if this is a console only boot ( in vm ),
>> ... if this is a GUI Desktop ( in vm ),
>> and/or specific xterm ( i.e "x11-terms/xterm" ).

Harry responds:
> This is a full X host running lxde for desktop
> The xterm I speak of is the real McCoy .. the one Thomas Dickey has
> maintained since mid to late 90s.
>
> In this case: x11-terms/xterm version 327 But I just noticed when
> pretend emerge just now to see what the use flags were... I see it
> defaults to -truetype use flag... which may be significant.
>
> I'm re-emerging with USE=truetype might make some difference.
>
> But still would not explain the fonts that are not true type failing
> to load.
>
> Do you know if some EXTRA_ECONF or something is needed to make xterm
> recognize its -fa switch?
>
> I've seen in several places that -fa font-name is used instead of -fn
> font-name

Hitting all around it ... finally I noticed that xterm compiles with
Use flag `-truetype'

That feeble light finally took on some strength,

I set [...] package.use/xterm
With contents: `x11-terms/xterm truetype'

re-emerged xterm.

And now I'm happily loading fonts with the -fa switch.

xterm -fa Inconsolata-Regular.ttf [...] and away it goes .. and a fine
looking font it is too.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: fonts mostly inaccessable to xterm

2017-03-05 Thread Corbin Bird 
On 03/05/2017 01:58 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Corbin Bird  writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Please clarify ... ... if this is a console only boot ( in vm ), 
>> ... if this is a GUI Desktop ( in vm ), and/or specific xterm ( i.e
>> "x11-terms/xterm" ).
> 
> This is a full X host running lxde for desktop The xterm I speak of
> is the real McCoy .. the one Thomas Dickey has maintained since mid
> to late 90s.
> 
> In this case: x11-terms/xterm version 327 But I just noticed when 
> pretend emerge just now to see what the use flags were... I see it 
> defaults to -truetype use flag... which may be significant.
> 
> I'm re-emerging with USE=truetype might make some difference.
> 
> But still would not explain the fonts that are not true type failing 
> to load.
> 
> Do you know if some EXTRA_ECONF or something is needed to make xterm 
> recognize its -fa switch?
> 
> I've seen in several places that -fa font-name is used instead of
> -fn font-name
> 
> Here xterm calls it a bad switch or something like and fails to load 
> the font.
> 
> xterm -fa "9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf" xterm: bad command line option "-fa"
> 
> xterm -fn "9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf" xterm: cannot load font
> '9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf'
> 
> And without the quotes:
> 
> xterm -fn 9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf xterm: cannot load font
> '9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf'
> 
> 
> 

Have you tried : xterm -fa "9x15B-ISO8859-1"?

Note : that works on XTerm v325 ( tested ).

The Xorg Xft font server docs specifically show how to set the "default"
font in Xterm. Look for the section 'Configuring applications'

Reference Link :

> https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.7/doc/xorg-docs/fonts/fonts.html

Font Directory :
/usr/share/fonts/misc/


Corbin

[gentoo-user] Re: fonts mostly inaccessable to xterm

2017-03-05 Thread Harry Putnam 
Corbin Bird  writes:

[...]

> Please clarify ...
> ... if this is a console only boot ( in vm ),
> ... if this is a GUI Desktop ( in vm ),
> and/or specific xterm ( i.e "x11-terms/xterm" ).

This is a full X host running lxde for desktop
The xterm I speak of is the real McCoy .. the one Thomas Dickey has
maintained since mid to late 90s.

In this case: x11-terms/xterm version 327 But I just noticed when
pretend emerge just now to see what the use flags were... I see it
defaults to -truetype use flag... which may be significant.

I'm re-emerging with USE=truetype might make some difference.

But still would not explain the fonts that are not true type failing
to load.

Do you know if some EXTRA_ECONF or something is needed to make xterm
recognize its -fa switch?

I've seen in several places that -fa font-name is used instead of -fn
font-name

Here xterm calls it a bad switch or something like and fails to load
the font.

   xterm -fa "9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf"
xterm: bad command line option "-fa"

 xterm -fn "9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf"
xterm: cannot load font '9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf'

And without the quotes:

   xterm -fn 9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf
 xterm: cannot load font '9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf'