Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
On Thu, Sep 05 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building that one up.] On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the mask. Is it the case that 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8 or 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will stay at 3.6? In other words can I eliminate my file /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8 with all the 3.8 builds? Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or systemd. This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago that openrc is now incompatible with systemd. I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1] hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in /etc/portage/profile/package to solve that. No incompatibility, and I never said that. Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment. I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running with systemd as PID=1. I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd, I haven't used it in years. Regards. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219 Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original question, namely Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do *not* have systemd installed? thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Sep 05 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building that one up.] On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the mask. Is it the case that 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8 or 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will stay at 3.6? In other words can I eliminate my file /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8 with all the 3.8 builds? Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or systemd. This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago that openrc is now incompatible with systemd. I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1] hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in /etc/portage/profile/package to solve that. No incompatibility, and I never said that. Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment. I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running with systemd as PID=1. I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd, I haven't used it in years. Regards. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219 Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original question, namely Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do *not* have systemd installed? No, you can't: systemd is now a requirement for GNOME 3; gdm-3.8.4 requires systemd unconditionally. If you try to install GNOME 3.8, it will install gdm 3.8.4, which will bring systemd. You cannot install gdm without systemd; therefore, you cannot install gnome-base/gnome without systemd. You could *try* to update the pieces of GNOME to 3.8 that doesn't require systemd, but I don't think that will end happily. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
On Fri, Sep 06 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original question, namely Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do *not* have systemd installed? No, you can't: systemd is now a requirement for GNOME 3; gdm-3.8.4 requires systemd unconditionally. If you try to install GNOME 3.8, it will install gdm 3.8.4, which will bring systemd. You cannot install gdm without systemd; therefore, you cannot install gnome-base/gnome without systemd. You could *try* to update the pieces of GNOME to 3.8 that doesn't require systemd, but I don't think that will end happily. Regards. That is what I suspected. I will keep the gnome-3.8 packages masked while I build up an old system and then try to convert it to systemd. When the conversion succeeds, I will try to convert my real system. thanks again for your help, allan
[gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building that one up.] On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the mask. Is it the case that 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8 or 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will stay at 3.6? In other words can I eliminate my file /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8 with all the 3.8 builds? Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or systemd. This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago that openrc is now incompatible with systemd. Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building that one up.] On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the mask. Is it the case that 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8 or 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will stay at 3.6? In other words can I eliminate my file /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8 with all the 3.8 builds? Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or systemd. This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago that openrc is now incompatible with systemd. I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1] hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in /etc/portage/profile/package to solve that. No incompatibility, and I never said that. Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment. I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running with systemd as PID=1. I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd, I haven't used it in years. Regards. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219 -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
