On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 06:18, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Neil Bothwick
> did opine thusly:
>
>> On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> > I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic
>> > Alan, but
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 09:40:01AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 09:16 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Neil Bothwick
> did opine thusly:
>
>
> While we are nitpicking:
>
>
> > Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer,
>
>
> That should be "greatest writer
Apparently, though unproven, at 11:21 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Joost Roeleveld
did opine thusly:
> On Tuesday 17 May 2011 10:35:48 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Apparently, though unproven, at 10:22 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Joost
> > Roeleveld
> >
> > did opine thusly:
> > > On Tuesday 17 May 2011 08:1
On Tuesday 17 May 2011 10:19:30 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2011 10:22:35 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> > > telephone sanitiser - but that's nit-picking, even form me :)
> >
> > [nipick] "even form me"? :P [/nitpick]
>
> I think we should both be more careful with our typing when nit-
On Tuesday 17 May 2011 10:35:48 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 10:22 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Joost
> Roeleveld
>
> did opine thusly:
> > On Tuesday 17 May 2011 08:16:20 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > > Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer
> >
> > Who do you clas
On Tue, 17 May 2011 10:22:35 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> > telephone sanitiser - but that's nit-picking, even form me :)
>
> [nipick] "even form me"? :P [/nitpick]
I think we should both be more careful with our typing when nit-picking :(
--
Neil Bothwick
COMMAND: A suggestion made to
On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:29:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer,
> That should be "greatest writer", the other fellow was not the greatest
> - he merely wrote soap operas.
I don't know what you mean, unless you mistakenly assumed I was referr
Apparently, though unproven, at 10:22 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Joost Roeleveld
did opine thusly:
> On Tuesday 17 May 2011 08:16:20 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer
>
> Who do you class as the greatest English writer then?
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennin
On Tuesday 17 May 2011 08:16:20 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer
Who do you class as the greatest English writer then?
> , so that should be
> telephone sanitiser - but that's nit-picking, even form me :)
[nipick] "even form me"? :P [/nitpick]
--
Joos
Apparently, though unproven, at 09:16 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Neil Bothwick
did opine thusly:
While we are nitpicking:
> Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer,
That should be "greatest writer", the other fellow was not the greatest - he
merely wrote soap operas.
--
alan do
On Tue, 17 May 2011 01:49:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
should be
> referred to using the neuter form of pronouns, i.e. "it", as befitting
> their overall contribution to humanity.
>
> You see what I did there? You see how I recovered with a witty reposte
> without even blinking an eye? It take
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:28 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 01:10:02AM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic
> > > Alan, b
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 01:10:02AM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> > I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic
> > Alan, but something held me back. Lucky it went that way, he later
> > posted he read 1667MHZ as 16
On 2011/05/16 19:01 (GMT-0400) Neil Bothwick composed:
On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
he read 1667MHZ as 167MHz.
Amazing what a difference a "1" can make :-)
Not nearly as much as a "6" :P
Sure it can! In 101000b, any of those "1"s represents more than
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Neil Bothwick
did opine thusly:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic
> > Alan, but something held me back. Lucky it went that way, he later
>
On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic
> Alan, but something held me back. Lucky it went that way, he later
> posted he read 1667MHZ as 167MHz.
>
> Amazing what a difference a "1" can make :-)
Not nearly as mu
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:10:02PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:57:14 -0400, Indi wrote:
>
> > > Read the settings for PORTAGE_ELOG in man make.conf.
>
> > Or as that man page says,
> > "Please see /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example
> > for elog documentation."
>
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:15 on Monday 16 May 2011, Dale did opine
thusly:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Apparently, though unproven, at 18:18 on Monday 16 May 2011, Indi did
> > opine
> >
> > thusly:
> >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
> >>> Actually after th
Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:18 on Monday 16 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my
plan. After so much time passed (days, not just
Thnx, have followed advice. I am impressed.
JDM
-Original Message-
From: Neil Bothwick
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:57:26
To:
Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] chicken <--> egg (NFS & tty video) (Fixed!)
On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:57:14 -0400,
On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:57:14 -0400, Indi wrote:
> > Read the settings for PORTAGE_ELOG in man make.conf.
> Or as that man page says,
> "Please see /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example
> for elog documentation."
I know that's what the man page currently says, but I expect it will be
updat
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:18 on Monday 16 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my
> > plan. After so much time passed (days, not just hours) and I had good
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:18:49PM -0400, Indi wrote:
> > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my
> > > plan.
> > > After so much time passed (days, not just hours) and I had good kernel,
>
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
>
> Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my plan.
> After so much time passed (days, not just hours) and I had good kernel, NFS,
> and MC that I didn't see much point delaying KDE. After the errors
> dis
On 2011/05/16 11:26 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 05:00:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/05/15 22:18 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:
> I have two Gentoo stanzas in my primary bootloader, one to load the kernel,
> another to chainload Gentoo's Grub. Loading t
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 05:00:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2011/05/15 22:18 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:
>
> > I have two Gentoo stanzas in my primary bootloader, one to load the kernel,
> > another to chainload Gentoo's Grub. Loading the kernel works, but chainload
> > gives error 13 i
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 03:10:03PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 12:43:05 +, JDM wrote:
>
> > That's a clever trick. How do you get emails from emerge?
>
> Read the settings for PORTAGE_ELOG in man make.conf.
>
>
Or as that man page says,
"Please see /usr/share/portag
On 16/5/2011, at 1:43pm, JDM wrote:
>> Most people set things up so they get emails of the post install
>> messages when emerging things, but it is up to you to actually read them
>> and, when necessary, follow the instructions.
> That's a clever trick. How do you get emails from emerge?
$ grep
On Mon, 16 May 2011 12:43:05 +, JDM wrote:
> That's a clever trick. How do you get emails from emerge?
Read the settings for PORTAGE_ELOG in man make.conf.
--
Neil Bothwick
WinErr 001: Windows loaded - System in danger
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Description: PGP signature
That's a clever trick. How do you get emails from emerge?
JDM
-Original Message-
From: Tanstaafl
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 07:58:34
To:
Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] chicken <--> egg (NFS & tty video) (Fixed!)
On 2011-05-15 10:54 PM, Fe
On 2011-05-15 10:54 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> Why setup didn't get this right via emerge I have no idea, unless it
> didn't actually do anything toward actually setting Grub up. If so, it
> could be there was already some mismatched Grub code there already from
> a previous use of the sectors there
On Sun, 15 May 2011 22:54:14 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Why setup didn't get this right via emerge I have no idea, unless it
> didn't actually do anything toward actually setting Grub up.
Emerging GRUB installs it, that's all. The post installation message
would have told you to set i up, but it
On 2011/05/15 22:18 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:
I have two Gentoo stanzas in my primary bootloader, one to load the kernel,
another to chainload Gentoo's Grub. Loading the kernel works, but chainload
gives error 13 invalid executable format. I named the bzImage copied to /boot
"kernel-2.6.3
On 2011/05/15 22:18 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:
The errors from NFS are different than I originally encountered, and indicate
that neither portmap nor rpcbind are running. Which of the two did nfs-utils
actually install (or both?), and what exactly is its name I need to use with
rc-update o
On 2011/05/14 09:20 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:
My #1 problem to solve is NFS not working yet (nfs-utils aka libevent,
portmap, rpc emerge failures), but it would also be very nice to get Grub to
emerge. Logs: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/G/
Now as noted in the econf failed thread I've s
On Sun, 15 May 2011 21:53:04 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > It also helps if you don't use -v, as then the only USE flags shown
> > are changes.
>
> I got out of that habit as I found without -v I'd more often than not
> ask myself "I wonder what other flags are used for this package, and do
>
On Sunday 15 May 2011 20:53:04 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 20:14 on Sunday 15 May 2011, Neil Bothwick
> did
>
> opine thusly:
> > On Sat, 14 May 2011 22:55:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > > Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last
> > > >
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:14 on Sunday 15 May 2011, Neil Bothwick did
opine thusly:
> On Sat, 14 May 2011 22:55:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last
> > > KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag c
On Sunday 15 May 2011 19:14:26 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2011 22:55:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last
> > > KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes
> > > (scanner, rdesktop and vnc I
On Sat, 14 May 2011 22:55:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last
> > KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes
> > (scanner, rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages
> > and libraries. O
On 5/14/2011 12:01 PM, Indi wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:53:56PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:37 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
True, just be aware that if you enable gtk *globally* you will end up
building the gtk interface for absolute
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:10:01AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 23:09 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine
> thusly:
>
> > No, I do not propose that one never use global use flags. I just employ
> > them very selectively, which is best for my needs.
>
> OK.
>
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:21 on Saturday 14 May 2011, William Hubbs
did opine thusly:
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:36:29AM -0400, Willie Wong wrote:
> > There's no big harm, except that you may end up rebuilding a bunch of
> > packages. One way to get a lot of hands-on control on precise
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:09 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> No, I do not propose that one never use global use flags. I just employ
> them very selectively, which is best for my needs.
OK.
I'll take that as clarifying what you said earlier. Thanks for that.
--
al
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:36:29AM -0400, Willie Wong wrote:
> There's no big harm, except that you may end up rebuilding a bunch of
> packages. One way to get a lot of hands-on control on precisely what
> USE you want it via the "-*" flag. But be VERY careful if you are
> going to use it. A USE va
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:00:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 18:01 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine
> thusly:
>
> >
> > Sounds like the old "6 of one, a half-dozen of the other" to me...
> > What makes the subtractive method better?
>
> It's not subtra
Apparently, though unproven, at 21:51 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Mick did opine
thusly:
> > Well perhaps it's nitpicking, but I like my systems as lean as possible.
> > I almost never emerge anything without -av options, just so I can say
> > "no" and edit package.use if need be. It rarely causes m
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:01 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:53:56PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Apparently, though unproven, at 16:37 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did
> > opine
> >
> > thusly:
> > > True, just be aware that if you enabl
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:00:03PM +0200, Mick wrote:
>
> Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last KDE
> upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes (scanner,
> rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages and libraries.
> Other f
On Saturday 14 May 2011 20:06:18 Indi wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 09:00:02PM +0200, Willie Wong wrote:
> > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:01:20PM -0400, Indi wrote:
> > > Sounds like the old "6 of one, a half-dozen of the other" to me...
> > > What makes the subtractive method better?
> >
> > Thi
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 09:00:02PM +0200, Willie Wong wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:01:20PM -0400, Indi wrote:
> > Sounds like the old "6 of one, a half-dozen of the other" to me...
> > What makes the subtractive method better?
> >
>
> This is how I interpret Alan's message:
>
> For certai
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:01:20PM -0400, Indi wrote:
> Sounds like the old "6 of one, a half-dozen of the other" to me...
> What makes the subtractive method better?
>
This is how I interpret Alan's message:
For certain flags when you enable it for a package you will have to
also enable it for
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:53:56PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 16:37 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine
> thusly:
>
> >
> > True, just be aware that if you enable gtk *globally* you will end up
> > building the gtk interface for absolutely everything which
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:37 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 08:30:02AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Apparently, though unproven, at 05:28 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix
> > Miata did
> >
> > opine thusly:
> > > Is it telling me I have to cha
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:20:01PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2011/05/14 10:06 (GMT-0400) Willie Wong composed:
>
> > The above listing shows that phonon will be built with the "vlc" use
> > flag, so clearly you haven't trimmed USE down to "just"
> > bash-completion, ncurses, samba, slang, xat
On Saturday 14 May 2011 16:07:33 Felix Miata wrote:
> Does [1] default/linux/x86/10.0 from 'eselect profile list' amount to a
> "minimal" install (no X)? If so, is there any reason not to switch to it
> instead of setting -vlc, and then later when actually ready to enable X,
> switching back to kd
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:07:33AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Does [1] default/linux/x86/10.0 from 'eselect profile list' amount
> to a "minimal" install (no X)? If so, is there any reason not to
> switch to it instead of setting -vlc, and then later when actually
> ready to enable X, switching ba
On 2011/05/14 11:04 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/05/14 10:37 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:
> Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such
things
> per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything.
> :)
Yes, f
On 2011/05/14 10:06 (GMT-0400) Willie Wong composed:
The above listing shows that phonon will be built with the "vlc" use
flag, so clearly you haven't trimmed USE down to "just"
bash-completion, ncurses, samba, slang, xattr. In fact, if you had
done so you would've also trimmed out cxx, posix, a
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:00:03PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2011/05/14 10:37 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:
>
> > Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such
> > things
> > per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything.
> > :)
>
> Yes, for s
On 2011/05/14 10:37 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 08:30:02 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build
to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are
causing it.
Easiest is to l
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 08:30:02AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 05:28 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata
> did
> opine thusly:
>
> >
> > Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging
> > one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:38:04AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> >Felix Miata composed:
>
> >> emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
> >> ">=media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]".
> >> !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
> >> - media-libs/libcanb
On 2011/05/14 12:52 (GMT+0100) Mick composed:
> BTW, my 3rd kernel did solve my video on ttys problem, and get me access
> to my EXT2 partition. :-)
Have you read and applied http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml to find
out how to configure your card and xorg?
Reading section 2.
On Saturday 14 May 2011 11:21:51 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 11:38 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata
> did
>
> opine thusly:
> > On 2011/05/14 08:25 (GMT+0200) Alan McKinnon composed:
> > > Felix Miata composed:
> > >> Is it telling me I have to change my USE from
Apparently, though unproven, at 11:38 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata did
opine thusly:
> On 2011/05/14 08:25 (GMT+0200) Alan McKinnon composed:
> > Felix Miata composed:
> >> emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
> >> ">=media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]".
> >> !!! O
On 2011/05/14 08:25 (GMT+0200) Alan McKinnon composed:
Felix Miata composed:
emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
">=media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]".
!!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
- media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 (Change USE:
Apparently, though unproven, at 05:28 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata did
opine thusly:
> On 2011/05/13 22:35 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:
> > Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync
>
> .bash_history tells me I did this twice prior to your response...
>
> > and emerge -
On 2011/05/14 05:19 (GMT+0200) Alex Schuster composed:
Indi writes:
Felix Miata wrote:
Along the way to successful boot, I attempted two emerges suggested by the
handbook (one being Grub Legacy). Both produced "ERROR: ... (compile
phase)..." errors.
If you like, post the messages he
On 2011/05/13 22:35 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:
Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync
.bash_history tells me I did this twice prior to your response...
and emerge -vauND world yet since installing?
...but not this. Doing so now produces something that is not obvious t
Indi writes:
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 03:10:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Along the way to successful boot, I attempted two emerges suggested by the
>> handbook (one being Grub Legacy). Both produced "ERROR: ... (compile
>> phase)..." errors.
If you like, post the messages here. Be sure
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 03:10:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
> Yesterday I attempted my first Gentoo install (11.0). Thanks to help here, I
> got through my mirrorselect problem. First boot failed. I managed to miss
> enabling VIA ATA support, so had no access to /. Second kernel build
> suceede
Yesterday I attempted my first Gentoo install (11.0). Thanks to help here, I
got through my mirrorselect problem. First boot failed. I managed to miss
enabling VIA ATA support, so had no access to /. Second kernel build
suceeded, even to basic network working. First activity on first boot was
'
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